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  • echattyechatty Member Posts: 5,721 Arc User
    Others can enjoy it or not, but they shouldn't expect people to despawn them just because they don't like them. Consequences of ones actions work both ways, not just one way.

    It used to be people simply ignored things they didn't like, and that's what I still do with things I run into ingame that annoys me. Ignoring it is less stressful than endless complaining about it. And I don't need my BP meds to be adjusted because of a game.
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  • crypticarmsmancrypticarmsman Member Posts: 3,900 Arc User
    angrytarg wrote: »
    I'm absolutely certain 'STO's player base and income' will not dwindle due to Elachi dancing. Nor due to visual spam, since they only add to it for years now.

    Absolute's quite a big word. The reality is neither you nor I can know for sure as we do not have access to real player population, spending, and actual quality gaming time (as opposed to mini-farms and AFK events). STO is not up there with the big true MMOs and so cannot afford to lose players to troll-type decisions such as these that compound over time.

    I play another game where population is critically low, and Devs truly cannot afford to treat their few remaining die-hard members in such a manner.

    It's unbelievable how many social zones these tribbles linger in. And I won't post an example of the strobe effects as I have no intention of hurting people's eyes and risk causing seizures (unlike whichever dev thinks this is amusing).
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    Ah yes, the veiled "STO is dying..." claim. That's been around since I was in closed beta in 2009. ;)
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  • baronvonboombaronvonboom Member Posts: 41 Arc User
    Im just waiting for the inevitable TOS inspired loli mini pets before I quit, cant be long now though eh
  • ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,481 Arc User
    You can't call someone self-centered who constantly runs Events on five Accounts for the kids and grandkids. :)
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  • c0nsic0nsi Member Posts: 71 Arc User
    edited December 2020
    Thing is, performance in social zones is bad enough (it has been getting better for me at least, but still) without having a horde of dancing elachi everywhere, and half the players don't even want them or don't care about them...so having them force-spawn on everyone using the set is stupid. I'm pretty sure if they would make them pets or a seperate item, we wouldn't have half as much of them in every social zone and they would free up ressources
  • echattyechatty Member Posts: 5,721 Arc User
    ltminns wrote: »
    You can't call someone self-centered who constantly runs Events on five Accounts for the kids and grandkids. :)

    Thank you. Hope you and yours have a Merry Christmas :)
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  • alcyoneserenealcyoneserene Member Posts: 2,412 Arc User
    I wonder if it's possible to pop a party nullifier on them, or disco ball followed by the nullifier, to make them stop dancing. Not that it will help, but at least your own character and zone for a time will be free of the non-stop dancing. They're everywhere really considering it's a decent free event rep space set multiplied by the endless alts of every character.

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  • colonelmarikcolonelmarik Member Posts: 1,904 Arc User
    I see this sort of thing from time to time in many games. Usually, it's very near the END of those games. I remember when Star Wars Galaxies introduced the flying pink ewoks, with glowing hearts on their stomachs, handing out chocolate covered cherries at chocolate fountains in the centers of major cities. It wasn't long before the game closed down.

    It's a sign that the developers don't take the game or the material that inspired it seriously enough.
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  • fred26291#2759 fred26291 Member Posts: 1,061 Arc User
    Although I can also do without them cause they do become annoying after a while, I will not tell someone to despawn them, its thier choice to keep them and not mine to tell them what to do.
    however, I have been known to leave the room or switch instances as to get away from them.
  • echattyechatty Member Posts: 5,721 Arc User
    Although I can also do without them cause they do become annoying after a while, I will not tell someone to despawn them, its thier choice to keep them and not mine to tell them what to do.
    however, I have been known to leave the room or switch instances as to get away from them.

    This is what I'm talking about. Deal with what you don't like in your own way rather than demand people accommodate your likes or dislikes. Good for you :)
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  • c0nsic0nsi Member Posts: 71 Arc User
    edited December 2020
    echatty wrote: »
    Although I can also do without them cause they do become annoying after a while, I will not tell someone to despawn them, its thier choice to keep them and not mine to tell them what to do.
    however, I have been known to leave the room or switch instances as to get away from them.

    This is what I'm talking about. Deal with what you don't like in your own way rather than demand people accommodate your likes or dislikes. Good for you :)

    I don't think this is about people who want to have them for whatever reason. And more about the fact that, if you use the space set, they WILL spawn, regadless of if you want them, don't want them or don't care. I really don't think the reason the social zones are flooded with them is because of the people who like them and more likely because the set is a decent space set to use.

    If they where pets, i couldn't care less if someone decides to use them. The problem is they are force-spawned on everyone (using the set) clogging up server ressources and overpopulating social zones with tons and tons of them.

    If you have fun with them, by all means use them as much as you like, but the devs should really consider giving people an option, if not for our sake (so we don't have to have a pair of dancing elachi every 2 inces of a social zone), at least for the sake of freeing up unnecessarily used ressources (you can't tell me spawning 2 additional entities per user using the set doesn't use up at least some performance server-wise).
  • fred26291#2759 fred26291 Member Posts: 1,061 Arc User
    Chatty I was brought up long ago to leave people be you dont like, just ignore them and walk away.
    Avoiding a confrontation is alot of times the best way to handle a problem rather than cause a war to solve a problem.
  • echattyechatty Member Posts: 5,721 Arc User
    Chatty I was brought up long ago to leave people be you dont like, just ignore them and walk away.
    Avoiding a confrontation is alot of times the best way to handle a problem rather than cause a war to solve a problem.

    Precisely. If you don't like the Dancing Elachi and you like to use the space set, then they can be despawned. If you don't like seeing others' then ignore them or switch instances. They're not that hard to ignore, really.
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  • fred26291#2759 fred26291 Member Posts: 1,061 Arc User
    edited December 2020
    Actually at first i found them amusing to watch for the first few days LOL but now they are um uh well part of the decor
    LOL.

    Actually is the set any good, right now i use the full iconian set or the quantum set for those who have not done reputation.
  • echattyechatty Member Posts: 5,721 Arc User
    It's actually a pretty good set for science builds. I am running it on the new Weather Control Risa ship and it does quite well. Also on the new Titan science destroyer.
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  • protoneousprotoneous Member Posts: 2,476 Arc User
    When there's more dancing Elachi's on a map than live players the devs may have made their linger time a bit too long.
  • kaarruukaarruu Member Posts: 133 Arc User
    At first I thought it was a halloween thing. Huh. Dancing Elachi. Very spooky, moving on. But they're still there and the whole thing got really, REALLY old. In some ways this is worse than previous instances of dev trolling. Back in LoR the Elachi were a terrifying, unknown enemy. Then they were revealed to be sort of tragic monsters due to their origin. Later we had peaceful interaction with some of them - very Trek. And now they've been turned into a lame joke.

    As has been mentioned, this is particularly bad because they're tied to useful gear and players get no say in whether or not the things spawn, and whether or not they see other people's dancing mushroom men. If you like them or don't care either way, whatever: you're not bothered. But those of us who don't want to see this kind of thing don't get much choice. We either put up with the cringy out of place nonsense or we stop showing up. The latter option might not concern the sort of people who enjoy annoying others or simply don't care how their actions affect others, but since Cryptic/PWE have a financial stake in the matter, one would expect THEM to have a concern.

    I can but wonder what the logic behind these annoyances is. "I have a job making stuff for an online game. I think I'll make some really annoying stuff and make sure it's plastered everywhere! That's going to help keep a healthy population and keep the paychecks rolling in." The most likely explanation is that the people on development side have no idea just how tiresome the compounded effect of all the visual clutter they've added ends up being. Surely they wouldn't be stupid enough to deliberately try and discourage any of their paying customers from playing their game?

    It's a salami-slicing effect. Little by little the annoyances pile up and smother one's motivation to play the game. "Nobody would quit over X!" Sure, probably not. But X, Z and Y all rolled together and shoved in your face every time in you log in and go to a social hub or enter a queue... that's a different matter. There's a point where the bad stuff overwhelms the good stuff and makes the player quit. Nobody wants that, do they? So stop deliberately adding annoying things - that trolling will bite you in the end.
  • keepcalmchiveonkeepcalmchiveon Member Posts: 4,141 Arc User
    edited December 2020
    Make it so they are targetable via hand to hand combat only.
    Smack em and they leave. Same for the kidd drones.

    To add:. Make an accolade for it too. 100 for first one, 500 second, 1500 third. After the third if any spawn within 10km of you, they auto de-spawn.
  • c0nsic0nsi Member Posts: 71 Arc User
    coldnapalm wrote: »
    I don't care about if you like them or not...my problem with them is that if 8 people has them in a social zone, the game runs like TRIBBLE. Like I can't even transport out bad. And if I need to run the daily race in the winter wonderland...oh lord help me. So unless they can get the performance issue fixed they should at least limit the number that can spawn in a zone.

    The part that they suck up performance sadly seems to be totaly ignored by the 'if you don't like them despawn them or ignore them'-folks... sure i can despawn the ones that show up because of my own set, but how again do i despawn the others? Hmmm, guess we have just to ignore them and the performance issue they cause...
  • crypticarmsmancrypticarmsman Member Posts: 3,900 Arc User
    c0nsi wrote: »
    coldnapalm wrote: »
    I don't care about if you like them or not...my problem with them is that if 8 people has them in a social zone, the game runs like TRIBBLE. Like I can't even transport out bad. And if I need to run the daily race in the winter wonderland...oh lord help me. So unless they can get the performance issue fixed they should at least limit the number that can spawn in a zone.

    The part that they suck up performance sadly seems to be totaly ignored by the 'if you don't like them despawn them or ignore them'-folks... sure i can despawn the ones that show up because of my own set, but how again do i despawn the others? Hmmm, guess we have just to ignore them and the performance issue they cause...

    If two dancing sprites suck up enough performance that you can't play, your PC or laptop is probably below the minimum specs.
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  • echattyechatty Member Posts: 5,721 Arc User
    edited December 2020
    I think they were talking about a lot of the dancing Elachi on an instance, not just one pair.

    Although I have yet to take a performance hit because of them.
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  • keepcalmchiveonkeepcalmchiveon Member Posts: 4,141 Arc User
    i am sure they meant the "more than a pr," of them for sure.
    i dont think they hit the performance stats for me either, just the annoyance button off and on.
    at times i dont care, for the most part, but at times its a bit much.
  • ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,481 Arc User
    They're just stupid PERIOD.
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  • keepcalmchiveonkeepcalmchiveon Member Posts: 4,141 Arc User
    ltminns wrote: »
    They're just stupid PERIOD.

    and with that, can we close this...
  • sirsitsalotsirsitsalot Member Posts: 2,724 Arc User
    echatty wrote: »
    Others can enjoy it or not, but they shouldn't expect people to despawn them just because they don't like them. Consequences of ones actions work both ways, not just one way.

    It used to be people simply ignored things they didn't like, and that's what I still do with things I run into ingame that annoys me. Ignoring it is less stressful than endless complaining about it. And I don't need my BP meds to be adjusted because of a game.

    Here's the deal... STO is already a joke to a lot of people, but there's still some parts that can be conducive to a decent Star Trek experience until the disco balls and party poppers and dancing Elachi show up and make those experiences feel like a joke too...

    I'm of a mind that there is a time and place for everything. and the things I just named feel out of place a lot of the time and can ruin the experience.

    If YOU like these things, then good on you. Others do not. It is self-centered when you only consider what you like and disregard the fact that others hate it.

    We would not be even having this discussion if Cryptic were mindful of these things and built in control mechanisms to limit silly stuff to the right places and the right times. But just with a lot of other things, they cannot be bothered to do that, so here we are...
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  • keepcalmchiveonkeepcalmchiveon Member Posts: 4,141 Arc User
    echatty wrote: »
    Others can enjoy it or not, but they shouldn't expect people to despawn them just because they don't like them. Consequences of ones actions work both ways, not just one way.

    It used to be people simply ignored things they didn't like, and that's what I still do with things I run into ingame that annoys me. Ignoring it is less stressful than endless complaining about it. And I don't need my BP meds to be adjusted because of a game.

    Here's the deal... STO is already a joke to a lot of people, but there's still some parts that can be conducive to a decent Star Trek experience until the disco balls and party poppers and dancing Elachi show up and make those experiences feel like a joke too...

    I'm of a mind that there is a time and place for everything. and the things I just named feel out of place a lot of the time and can ruin the experience.

    If YOU like these things, then good on you. Others do not. It is self-centered when you only consider what you like and disregard the fact that others hate it.

    We would not be even having this discussion if Cryptic were mindful of these things and built in control mechanisms to limit silly stuff to the right places and the right times. But just with a lot of other things, they cannot be bothered to do that, so here we are...

    whats a joke is all the people always discussing canon and yet we have tons of space vomit, disco balls, these dancing things and much more that are nowhere near canon. but yet canon always seems to be a point of contention.

    there have been plenty of times you, myself, and others have posted ones point of view with minimal regard for the others, ive seen it, ive done it, so lets not shatter glass in front of each other and say such drivel.

    no game is without some form of oddball item. maybe eve online, but i dont play that.

    i dislike them, i dislike many things, and some i have pointed out, as you have, and many others, but they are here.

    i agree that there should be a mechanism in place to limit them. i agree that this was not a well thought out side effect for the player base. i find these more pathetic and stupid than the disco ball. but i digress.

    as far as sto being a joke, that is neither here nor there. i enjoy the game. and thats exactly what it is...a game. we all have to live with aspects of it that we hate if we want to play...or as many say, you can quit.
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