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shadowkoshshadowkosh Member Posts: 1,688 Arc User
So I am wondering how long before we see new ships or uniforms
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  • paradox#7391 paradox Member Posts: 1,776 Arc User
    edited November 2020
    like the Temporal jumpsuits? the only time we saw the the 31st century was in ENT, also your link is broken BTW
  • evilmark444evilmark444 Member Posts: 6,950 Arc User
    OP did you by any chance mean 32nd century? As in Disco season 3? If so I would expect them to start trickling in via lockboxes and promos in a couple months, with one in particular having a very slim chance at being C-Store due to it's connection to a certain existing ship (I'm being intentionally vague on that one since the most recent episode has only been available for nine hours so far). I have some opinions on what I would like the specs on that particular ship to be, but I'll wait until people have a chance to watch the episode before discussing that.
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  • shadowkoshshadowkosh Member Posts: 1,688 Arc User
    OP did you by any chance mean 32nd century? As in Disco season 3? If so I would expect them to start trickling in via lockboxes and promos in a couple months, with one in particular having a very slim chance at being C-Store due to it's connection to a certain existing ship (I'm being intentionally vague on that one since the most recent episode has only been available for nine hours so far). I have some opinions on what I would like the specs on that particular ship to be, but I'll wait until people have a chance to watch the episode before discussing that.

    Yes meant the disco time frame
  • nixie50nixie50 Member Posts: 1,268 Arc User
    just out of curiosity, and apologies for the hijack, but how many episodes left in season 3? I don't want to have to wait for the next week, that's so 1990
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  • evilmark444evilmark444 Member Posts: 6,950 Arc User
    nixie50 wrote: »
    just out of curiosity, and apologies for the hijack, but how many episodes left in season 3? I don't want to have to wait for the next week, that's so 1990

    According to Wikipedia there's 8 more.
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  • leemwatsonleemwatson Member Posts: 5,343 Arc User
    Technically, Time travel was banned by then, so unless DSC introduces a further time-travel loop-hole, there's no reason to have those ships in STO, and IMHO there never should be a reason. It would stiffle the current great work of Cryptic's ship designers. Keep ships within the current timeframe! The 26th and 31st Century ships should never have been introduced in the first place.
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  • truewarpertruewarper Member Posts: 928 Arc User
    leemwatson wrote: »
    Technically, Time travel was banned by then, so unless DSC introduces a further time-travel loop-hole, there's no reason to have those ships in STO, and IMHO there never should be a reason. It would stiffle the current great work of Cryptic's ship designers. Keep ships within the current timeframe! The 26th and 31st Century ships should never have been introduced in the first place.

    Totally agree...

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  • evilmark444evilmark444 Member Posts: 6,950 Arc User
    leemwatson wrote: »
    Technically, Time travel was banned by then, so unless DSC introduces a further time-travel loop-hole, there's no reason to have those ships in STO, and IMHO there never should be a reason. It would stiffle the current great work of Cryptic's ship designers. Keep ships within the current timeframe! The 26th and 31st Century ships should never have been introduced in the first place.

    Let's be realistic here, these ships WILL get added to the game. A ship doesn't need to make lore sense to be added to a lockbox or the store, the only concerns are popularity and the ability to make a profit. If they explain it in a blog at all it'll probably either be that the ships were accidentally sent to the past by a temporal anomaly, or that Q did it (the Temporal Accords are kinda meaningless to Q since no one can stop him from doing it ).
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  • theantisainttheantisaint Member Posts: 170 Arc User
    Ships...

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  • evilmark444evilmark444 Member Posts: 6,950 Arc User
    The one you labeled "vertical ship" kinda looks like the Klingon cleave ship with the edges rounded off and a different texture applied.
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  • theantisainttheantisaint Member Posts: 170 Arc User
    The one you labeled "vertical ship" kinda looks like the Klingon cleave ship with the edges rounded off and a different texture applied.

    Got this pic from Trek BBS. As for the ship...yeah, it kind of does; if so, probably re-purpose of current models to cut costs.

    https://trekbbs.com/threads/star-trek-discovery-3x05-die-trying.306216/page-3
  • jonsillsjonsills Member Posts: 10,361 Arc User
    Kind of glad now that I haven't been frequenting that site. Lotta people in there with very strong opinions about an episode they clearly only half-watched. (I mean, they weren't sure about the fate of Dr. Attis? Or whether his dead family was really dead?)
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  • khan5000khan5000 Member Posts: 3,007 Arc User
    Cryptic doesn’t need to bend out of shape explaining these ships when they make it to the game. We have alternate reality ships, ships from futures that have been erased, and ships from aliens pretending to be Starfleet ships.
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  • theantisainttheantisaint Member Posts: 170 Arc User
    khan5000 wrote: »
    Cryptic doesn’t need to bend out of shape explaining these ships when they make it to the game. We have alternate reality ships, ships from futures that have been erased, and ships from aliens pretending to be Starfleet ships.

    Those ships fit STO ship aesthetics quite nicely. Lots of negative space, strangely proportioned shapes, and even Iconian style detached hull components. I'm just wondering, besides show budget, why Starfleet is using hundreds year old ships. Wasn't the burn 150ish years prior to the episode?
  • leemwatsonleemwatson Member Posts: 5,343 Arc User
    edited November 2020
    khan5000 wrote: »
    Cryptic doesn’t need to bend out of shape explaining these ships when they make it to the game. We have alternate reality ships, ships from futures that have been erased, and ships from aliens pretending to be Starfleet ships.

    Those ships fit STO ship aesthetics quite nicely. Lots of negative space, strangely proportioned shapes, and even Iconian style detached hull components. I'm just wondering, besides show budget, why Starfleet is using hundreds year old ships. Wasn't the burn 150ish years prior to the episode?

    120 years. Another point to add, considering the entire galaxy lost every ship with an active warp-core, possibly millions of ships, there was little push to make much in the way of a massive replenishment of such ships. Advancement was almost stunted in the Galactic 'Dark Ages' since and until it can be guaranteed there wouldn't be another 'burn' then you can see why.
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  • starshine#7408 starshine Member Posts: 127 Arc User
    With the, no contact from terrans in X hundred years (sorry cant recall off top of head what number it was)
    does that timeline go back to DS9 or allow for STO? cos if it doesnt then hey, STO is alt timeline where time travel is cool cos the temporal cold war resolved different/ALOT earlier (cos we did it in missions. actually yeah, ignore the terran stuff thats a better proof of alt timeline.)
    So we can have pretty DISCO future ships
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  • nrobbiecnrobbiec Member Posts: 959 Arc User
    I do wonder if glasses man was referring to the fall of Georgiou's Terran Empire or a post-rebellion empire
  • shadowkoshshadowkosh Member Posts: 1,688 Arc User
    nrobbiec wrote: »
    I do wonder if glasses man was referring to the fall of Georgiou's Terran Empire or a post-rebellion empire

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  • theantisainttheantisaint Member Posts: 170 Arc User
    reyan01 wrote: »
    leemwatson wrote: »
    Technically, Time travel was banned by then, so unless DSC introduces a further time-travel loop-hole, there's no reason to have those ships in STO, and IMHO there never should be a reason. It would stiffle the current great work of Cryptic's ship designers. Keep ships within the current timeframe! The 26th and 31st Century ships should never have been introduced in the first place.
    Thing is, they may need to use a time-travel loophole at some point, depending on what they do with Phillipa Georgiou.

    Unless they're setting the new Section 31 series in Discovery's Season 3 timeframe (not impossible I guess, considering what we saw in episode 5), 'Emperor' Georgiou pretty has to get back to the 23rd century somehow.

    First I'll say...I hate temporal mechanics. Well, knowing the fate of the Terran empire gives her motivation to save it...or at least try. That is, unless Sec31 man was just gaslighting her...which they do. Maybe they want her to find a way to bridge both universes...they may need more amoral Terrans to deal with whatever threats they face now.
  • truewarpertruewarper Member Posts: 928 Arc User
    edited November 2020
    reyan01 wrote: »
    leemwatson wrote: »
    Technically, Time travel was banned by then, so unless DSC introduces a further time-travel loop-hole, there's no reason to have those ships in STO, and IMHO there never should be a reason. It would stiffle the current great work of Cryptic's ship designers. Keep ships within the current timeframe! The 26th and 31st Century ships should never have been introduced in the first place.
    Thing is, they may need to use a time-travel loophole at some point, depending on what they do with Phillipa Georgiou.

    Unless they're setting the new Section 31 series in Discovery's Season 3 timeframe (not impossible I guess, considering what we saw in episode 5), 'Emperor' Georgiou pretty has to get back to the 23rd century somehow.

    First I'll say...I hate temporal mechanics. Well, knowing the fate of the Terran empire gives her motivation to save it...or at least try. That is, unless Sec31 man was just gaslighting her...which they do. Maybe they want her to find a way to bridge both universes...they may need more amoral Terrans to deal with whatever threats they face now.

    For an event that has passed for a long time, undoing it will lead to greater and dangerous dire consequences, the universe in the Empresses time, has already settled and moved on. To borrow a near quote, from the Film AI, -All things have their place, once they have lived their moment in that time...there is no means to reverse it.-

    If it was possible, then there has to be a greater or more sacrifice on her part to make that happen, and knowing her she will sacrifice, the only question who will it be?

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  • phoenixc#0738 phoenixc Member Posts: 5,504 Arc User
    edited November 2020
    truewarper wrote: »
    reyan01 wrote: »
    leemwatson wrote: »
    Technically, Time travel was banned by then, so unless DSC introduces a further time-travel loop-hole, there's no reason to have those ships in STO, and IMHO there never should be a reason. It would stiffle the current great work of Cryptic's ship designers. Keep ships within the current timeframe! The 26th and 31st Century ships should never have been introduced in the first place.
    Thing is, they may need to use a time-travel loophole at some point, depending on what they do with Phillipa Georgiou.

    Unless they're setting the new Section 31 series in Discovery's Season 3 timeframe (not impossible I guess, considering what we saw in episode 5), 'Emperor' Georgiou pretty has to get back to the 23rd century somehow.

    First I'll say...I hate temporal mechanics. Well, knowing the fate of the Terran empire gives her motivation to save it...or at least try. That is, unless Sec31 man was just gaslighting her...which they do. Maybe they want her to find a way to bridge both universes...they may need more amoral Terrans to deal with whatever threats they face now.

    For an event that has passed for a long time, undoing it will lead to greater and dangerous dire consequences, the universe in the Empresses time, has already settled and moved on. To borrow a near quote, from the Film AI, -All things have their place, once they have lived their moment in that time...there is no means to reverse it.-

    If it was possible, then there has to be a greater or more sacrifice on her part to make that happen, and knowing her she will sacrifice, the only question who will it be?

    Who's to say that the burn timeline is even a normal timeline or some kind of paradox aberration that is starting to come apart at the seams (hence the burn itself)? The solution could very well be to go back and put the timeline back on course before it hits the wipeout point.

    Of course, I don't expect them to be that clever and the burn is probably just an excuse with some silly sci-fantasy justification to switch DSC over to using the spore drive full time like Andromeda with their slipstream jump drive.
  • truewarpertruewarper Member Posts: 928 Arc User
    truewarper wrote: »
    reyan01 wrote: »
    leemwatson wrote: »
    Technically, Time travel was banned by then, so unless DSC introduces a further time-travel loop-hole, there's no reason to have those ships in STO, and IMHO there never should be a reason. It would stiffle the current great work of Cryptic's ship designers. Keep ships within the current timeframe! The 26th and 31st Century ships should never have been introduced in the first place.
    Thing is, they may need to use a time-travel loophole at some point, depending on what they do with Phillipa Georgiou.

    Unless they're setting the new Section 31 series in Discovery's Season 3 timeframe (not impossible I guess, considering what we saw in episode 5), 'Emperor' Georgiou pretty has to get back to the 23rd century somehow.

    First I'll say...I hate temporal mechanics. Well, knowing the fate of the Terran empire gives her motivation to save it...or at least try. That is, unless Sec31 man was just gaslighting her...which they do. Maybe they want her to find a way to bridge both universes...they may need more amoral Terrans to deal with whatever threats they face now.

    For an event that has passed for a long time, undoing it will lead to greater and dangerous dire consequences, the universe in the Empresses time, has already settled and moved on. To borrow a near quote, from the Film AI, -All things have their place, once they have lived their moment in that time...there is no means to reverse it.-

    If it was possible, then there has to be a greater or more sacrifice on her part to make that happen, and knowing her she will sacrifice, the only question who will it be?

    Who's to say that the burn timeline is even a normal timeline or some kind of paradox aberration that is starting to come apart at the seams (hence the burn itself)? The solution could very well be to go back and put the timeline back on course before it hits the wipeout point.

    Of course, I don't expect them to be that clever and the burn is probably just an excuse with some silly sci-fantasy justification to switch DSC over to using the spore drive full time like Andromeda with their slipstream jump drive.

    I leave it as this....it is Alternate verse, everything since 2009 has been so. Despite the sprinkling of Prime Trek pieces in their storyline.

    Getting rid of Dil, and lessen the appearance of the Terrain Empire does not make my head giddy, but I question the direction, if they know themselves on what direction they are going in the first place. So far, they have not exceeded any expectations of mine.

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  • truewarpertruewarper Member Posts: 928 Arc User
    truewarper wrote: »
    reyan01 wrote: »
    leemwatson wrote: »
    Technically, Time travel was banned by then, so unless DSC introduces a further time-travel loop-hole, there's no reason to have those ships in STO, and IMHO there never should be a reason. It would stiffle the current great work of Cryptic's ship designers. Keep ships within the current timeframe! The 26th and 31st Century ships should never have been introduced in the first place.
    Thing is, they may need to use a time-travel loophole at some point, depending on what they do with Phillipa Georgiou.

    Unless they're setting the new Section 31 series in Discovery's Season 3 timeframe (not impossible I guess, considering what we saw in episode 5), 'Emperor' Georgiou pretty has to get back to the 23rd century somehow.

    First I'll say...I hate temporal mechanics. Well, knowing the fate of the Terran empire gives her motivation to save it...or at least try. That is, unless Sec31 man was just gaslighting her...which they do. Maybe they want her to find a way to bridge both universes...they may need more amoral Terrans to deal with whatever threats they face now.

    For an event that has passed for a long time, undoing it will lead to greater and dangerous dire consequences, the universe in the Empresses time, has already settled and moved on. To borrow a near quote, from the Film AI, -All things have their place, once they have lived their moment in that time...there is no means to reverse it.-

    If it was possible, then there has to be a greater or more sacrifice on her part to make that happen, and knowing her she will sacrifice, the only question who will it be?

    Who's to say that the burn timeline is even a normal timeline or some kind of paradox aberration that is starting to come apart at the seams (hence the burn itself)? The solution could very well be to go back and put the timeline back on course before it hits the wipeout point.

    Of course, I don't expect them to be that clever and the burn is probably just an excuse with some silly sci-fantasy justification to switch DSC over to using the spore drive full time like Andromeda with their slipstream jump drive.

    Personally, I like the idea that 'the burn' and the collapse of the Terran Empire are connected. Maybe they initiated it, thinking they could use it to invade a helpless prime verse...only to destroy their own empire in the process. Or maybe they were collapsing anyway, and "the burn" was just their stick-in-the-eye reprisal before going down for the count. Maybe they thought they had spore-drive technology mastered (they'd totally bioengineer spore navigators out of other terrans by force simply for the hell of it) and it blew up in their face instead. But, given everything I've seen of Discovery so far, I'm probably way overthinking it and 'the burn' is just an excuse to excise Discovery from all things Trek and start from a clean slate.

    Hmmm...the Burn is around 100 to 120+ years back of the Future time stamp, Terrain Crossing is around 500 years back or technically the last crossing or incursion was around 380 years back.

    Definitely not connected....

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  • foxrockssocksfoxrockssocks Member Posts: 2,482 Arc User
    leemwatson wrote: »
    Technically, Time travel was banned by then, so unless DSC introduces a further time-travel loop-hole, there's no reason to have those ships in STO, and IMHO there never should be a reason. It would stiffle the current great work of Cryptic's ship designers. Keep ships within the current timeframe! The 26th and 31st Century ships should never have been introduced in the first place.

    As much as I don't care for any of these new ships in ST:D, the idea of banning time travel remains utterly nonsensical. Things don't go away because you wave a piece of paper at it. It would necessarily require enforcement (which itself requires time travel), and especially post-burn, who has the resources to do that?

    Either things are going to change later in the season, or its just the same bad writing with no thought put into it. However it gets settled, we are likely to see these ships in game.
  • phoenixc#0738 phoenixc Member Posts: 5,504 Arc User
    edited November 2020
    truewarper wrote: »
    truewarper wrote: »
    reyan01 wrote: »
    leemwatson wrote: »
    Technically, Time travel was banned by then, so unless DSC introduces a further time-travel loop-hole, there's no reason to have those ships in STO, and IMHO there never should be a reason. It would stiffle the current great work of Cryptic's ship designers. Keep ships within the current timeframe! The 26th and 31st Century ships should never have been introduced in the first place.
    Thing is, they may need to use a time-travel loophole at some point, depending on what they do with Phillipa Georgiou.

    Unless they're setting the new Section 31 series in Discovery's Season 3 timeframe (not impossible I guess, considering what we saw in episode 5), 'Emperor' Georgiou pretty has to get back to the 23rd century somehow.

    First I'll say...I hate temporal mechanics. Well, knowing the fate of the Terran empire gives her motivation to save it...or at least try. That is, unless Sec31 man was just gaslighting her...which they do. Maybe they want her to find a way to bridge both universes...they may need more amoral Terrans to deal with whatever threats they face now.

    For an event that has passed for a long time, undoing it will lead to greater and dangerous dire consequences, the universe in the Empresses time, has already settled and moved on. To borrow a near quote, from the Film AI, -All things have their place, once they have lived their moment in that time...there is no means to reverse it.-

    If it was possible, then there has to be a greater or more sacrifice on her part to make that happen, and knowing her she will sacrifice, the only question who will it be?

    Who's to say that the burn timeline is even a normal timeline or some kind of paradox aberration that is starting to come apart at the seams (hence the burn itself)? The solution could very well be to go back and put the timeline back on course before it hits the wipeout point.

    Of course, I don't expect them to be that clever and the burn is probably just an excuse with some silly sci-fantasy justification to switch DSC over to using the spore drive full time like Andromeda with their slipstream jump drive.

    Personally, I like the idea that 'the burn' and the collapse of the Terran Empire are connected. Maybe they initiated it, thinking they could use it to invade a helpless prime verse...only to destroy their own empire in the process. Or maybe they were collapsing anyway, and "the burn" was just their stick-in-the-eye reprisal before going down for the count. Maybe they thought they had spore-drive technology mastered (they'd totally bioengineer spore navigators out of other terrans by force simply for the hell of it) and it blew up in their face instead. But, given everything I've seen of Discovery so far, I'm probably way overthinking it and 'the burn' is just an excuse to excise Discovery from all things Trek and start from a clean slate.

    Hmmm...the Burn is around 100 to 120+ years back of the Future time stamp, Terrain Crossing is around 500 years back or technically the last crossing or incursion was around 380 years back.

    Definitely not connected....

    The "last crossing" was the point just before the alternates got too far apart to make crossing possible, the burn itself could have been from the distortion/shock of it ripping completely away or collapsing into nothingness as it kept moving further away afterwards travelling along the causal link that kept them in lockstep as seen in TOS.

    Of course, unless Kurtzman hired some new creative talent this line of speculation is probably too deep to realistically expect of DSC writers considering their track record so far.
  • theantisainttheantisaint Member Posts: 170 Arc User
    truewarper wrote: »

    Hmmm...the Burn is around 100 to 120+ years back of the Future time stamp, Terrain Crossing is around 500 years back or technically the last crossing or incursion was around 380 years back.

    Definitely not connected....

    Time connects all points...despite some arbitrary ban on time travel. If the writers want to go down that route, I hope not(I dislike time travel stories), Georgiou may attempt to salvage the Terran Empire, and keep the universes from drifting apart...because...why not?

    Hmm, maybe she'll find a way to pester Q into helping her...maybe Q will tell her to sod off, and turn her into a toad; I'd like to see that.
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