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djf021
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If someone has already started a thread like this, feel free to close or merge, but...
With the release of the Legendary Mirror Bundle and the Mirror Warship, I've been thinking that a mini faction where you start in the mirror universe as an ensign with the Terrans would be a blast. Just some fun thoughts I've come up with:
Admiral Leeta could be the primary mission contact.
Maybe you gain command over your ship by assassinating your captain for being too weak or plotting with a rebellion (similar to the Klingon tutorial).
All the ship models are in the game already, so a one ship per level up (though that's not even really a thing anymore) should be easy enough.
Maybe a story arc dealing with conquering and oppressing an NPC race?
As for end game, maybe we're forced to enter the prime universe under cover, like Lorca?
I know it won't happen, but I thought it would be pretty fun to think about, and maybe (for those of us in the US) get our minds off elections for a little bit.
With the release of the Legendary Mirror Bundle and the Mirror Warship, I've been thinking that a mini faction where you start in the mirror universe as an ensign with the Terrans would be a blast. Just some fun thoughts I've come up with:
Admiral Leeta could be the primary mission contact.
Maybe you gain command over your ship by assassinating your captain for being too weak or plotting with a rebellion (similar to the Klingon tutorial).
All the ship models are in the game already, so a one ship per level up (though that's not even really a thing anymore) should be easy enough.
Maybe a story arc dealing with conquering and oppressing an NPC race?
As for end game, maybe we're forced to enter the prime universe under cover, like Lorca?
I know it won't happen, but I thought it would be pretty fun to think about, and maybe (for those of us in the US) get our minds off elections for a little bit.
Don't let them promote you. Don't let them transfer you. Don't let them do anything that takes you off the bridge of that ship, because while you're there... you can make a difference.
-Captain James T. Kirk
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So poor reaction to a bunch of grave-robbing reanimated corpses from one episode of Voyager = no Terran Empire? That makes a LOT of sense.
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> Cryptic has already said they have no plans to do a Mirror Universe faction because negative player reaction to the Kobali, and the mission "Renegades Regret" have shown that most of the playerbase doesn't want to deal with the morally grey, or outright evil, scenarios one would encounter if playing a Mirror faction.
I forgot about that. That's a shame, for extra variety I think it'd be a lot of fun
Don't let them promote you. Don't let them transfer you. Don't let them do anything that takes you off the bridge of that ship, because while you're there... you can make a difference.
-Captain James T. Kirk
Actually it does make some sense considering US TV networks had so much trouble with the same sort of thing for decades mainly because it would be boycotted in the south. Kindred the Embraced failed precisely because of that, it was not until around 2008 with Twilight, Vampire Diaries, and True Blood that shows about undead broke through that barrier and were at least reasonably well tolerated.
One of my captains is a Kobali with very strong Kyn'steya (past life memories and identity that lead to a few sometimes serious quirks) because of the uniforms and the duality of the character intrigued me. I played vampires for a long time in tabletop roleplaying games so non-zombie undead do not bother me. I knew a lot of gamers back then who would not touch games like that at all (two of them were regulars in the Champions campaigns I ran in fact) and there is nothing wrong with that either, it is just personal preferences and those vary wildly from person to person.
The same goes for moral considerations. Some people have no problem in committing acts in games that match or exceed the worst war crimes in the real world, others are very much against that kind of play and were quite unhappy about having to do it to get the Renegades Regret event done (I had much the same reaction to that as you seem to have about the Kobali for instance). And the number of people who complained convinced Cryptic that too much of the playerbase was against playing evil characters (and they are probably right, Star Trek tends to attract more of the Jedi types than the Sith types, to use terms from the competition).
On top of that, the devs are extremely reluctant to bring in any more factions or subfactions unless there is absolutely no way to avoid it. It just takes too much time, effort, and budget to produce so it edges out more lucrative developments. The only reason they did the DSC subfaction for the Federation was that it was tied to then new show for instance.
Notice how they still have not done a KDF version though they probably will come out with one soon, and they really did not do a Dominion faction as such, they just did a very sketchy Odo's Expeditionary Force microfaction which is why the expansion's name was a Jem'Hadar slogan, Victory is Life, instead Dominion Besieged or such, and that still has people claiming that it is unfinished because AoD cut it short even though it was never intended to be anything more.
Well JH maybe should have playable Vortas
They said that the story they wanted to tell was a Jem'hadar one. Vorta wouldn't fit into that as well. Don't forget that for a Jem'Hadar player, after you finish the Gamma Arc you no longer have to take Ketracel. How would that part play into a Vorta, who isn't being controlled by their dependency on Ketracel at that point? They also can't go back to rerecord some dialog with Odo because unfortunately the actor is no longer with us. We'd probably have to get a lot more interaction with Loriss, then face complaints about Odo not being as involved before people remember RL struck that end.
BTW... is that one guy STILL standing on DS9 in his one man protest to get playable Changelings? I haven't seen him for a LONG time.
I didn't know that was happening. While I'd love to play a changeling...a one man protest? That's kind of funny.
Don't let them promote you. Don't let them transfer you. Don't let them do anything that takes you off the bridge of that ship, because while you're there... you can make a difference.
-Captain James T. Kirk
It also didn't help that the actor who played the main character in Kindred the Embraced died in a motorcycle accident.
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> They said that the story they wanted to tell was a Jem'hadar one. Vorta wouldn't fit into that as well. Don't forget that for a Jem'Hadar player, after you finish the Gamma Arc you no longer have to take Ketracel. How would that part play into a Vorta, who isn't being controlled by their dependency on Ketracel at that point? They also can't go back to rerecord some dialog with Odo because unfortunately the actor is no longer with us. We'd probably have to get a lot more interaction with Loriss, then face complaints about Odo not being as involved before people remember RL struck that end.
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> BTW... is that one guy STILL standing on DS9 in his one man protest to get playable Changelings? I haven't seen him for a LONG time.
I saw him a few months ago and he updated his bio. Apparently one of the devs let him know that Vorta and Changelings are no longer off the table.
Also the whole story with it being a "Jam'hadar one" doesn't work because the Romulan story is meant to be Romulan or Reman, yet you can play an alien.
The klingon story is meant to be klingon, you can play other species but the game treats you as a klingon.
Oh yea... pretty much from Day 1 of ViL we had this one guy who made a Jem'hadar, played a while, then decided "I'm going to protest the lack of playable Changelings by standing on DS9 all day every day". Even named the character to line up with their protest, and made a whole Fleet dedicated to the protest.
Which was easier to do with Klingons and Romulans because both factions in STO are more multi species already. The Klingon Empire had integrated Orions, Nausicaans, Letheans, and Orions, while Romulans also had Remans. So the groundwork for having non Klingon or Romulan characters already existed.
The Dominion, on the other hand, has pretty much a clear hierarchy on who does what. And for the most part the Dominion Military really only consisted of one single species, the Jem'hadar. Vorta were more the administrators and coordinators (with a few being more of the spy type and thus had more combat capability, but still nowhere near that of the Jem'Hadar), with Changelings pulling all the strings. Its doable, but no where near as easy, and the justification of having a Vorta acting like a Jem'Hadar soldier... lore wise doesn't make sense.
If they do make playable Vorta... they'd have to come up with some kind of reason to have a front line Vorta over a Jem'hadar. Not saying I'm against it, but they'd need a good reason that makes sense.
Not mention that, according to Weyoun, they wouldn't make good soldiers due to their poor eyesight, and physically, they look quite weak.
Hell... Loriss shot Weyoun and only hit him in the shoulder... and that was short range. Then he turned around and just defaulted to "order someone else to do it for you". Which backfired in his face.
Although on the other hand, the average Human or Trill doesn't look physically strong.
It could be just how the Vorta are created that makes them less capable in combat situations. If they were allowed to evolve naturally, they'd probably be as capable as a human.
While I can see Odo perhaps finding some way to allow a Vorta to do more and choose their own path, it would have to be after the Gamma Arc when the Dominion joined the Alliance.
I mean if you think about it we have a lot of species already, some more militarily inclined than others. I mean... Are you forgetting about Talaxians? The species we pretty much only ever saw as goofy chefs and the furthest from warriors you could get.
And yet, if you play a Klingon faction, you can literally sell prisoners as slaves. How is that not outright evil?
Yeah that would be awesome! We could start off blasting the alien scum before Admiral Leeta, The Emperor or Whoever sends us on a secret mission into the Prime universe as a spy to gather information.
Something that starts in the MU with something happening that disillusions our characters and moves on to the pc rebelling against the Empire and ends with us trying to find a way to the 'Prime Universe'.
But, given that everything MU is monetized you'd really honk off some folks if you started giving away Mirror uniforms and the I.S.S. registry.
If people here are too squimish for that, then go the other way and, instead of doing a Terran Empire mini faction, go for the races that are trying to get free of the Empire and use them as playable species, while keeping the TE as the main antagonist... at least until the player character get somehow pushed into our universe.
Ci sono tre tipi di giocatori:
- quelli a cui non va mai bene niente... e vanno sul forum a trollare;
- quelli che sono talmente imbesuiti da credere a qualunque cosa i dev dicano, perfino che la luna è fatta di formaggio... e vanno sul forum a trollare;
- quelli che credono a quello a cui è giusto credere, sono d'accordo con quello con cui è giusto essere d'accordo e sono critici con quello che non va;
Ai giocatori dei primi due tipi, gratis in omaggio un bello specchio lucente su cui arrampicarsi. E una mazzata in testa per la loro poca intelligenza e compassione verso gli altri giocatori che non la pensano come loro.
Agli appartenenti al terzo tipo, invece, dico grazie. Anche se non sempre si riesce a mantenere la calma, siete quelli per cui vale la pena incazzarsi.
Honestly I'd be more interested in something like TNG-era Romulans. Might be interesting to see a player character go from being part of a power on par with the Federation to being thrown into the post-supernova reality of 2409.
Well like Weyoun said on the show, Vorta have great hearing but bad eyesight.
Admiral Dananra Lekall - R.R.W. Teverresh, Deihu-class Warbird
General J'Kar son of K'tsulan - I.K.S. Dlahath, Vo'devwl-class Carrier
Yup. I haven't actually identified the guy because it could be interpreted as a violation of forum rules. But if he's still standing around in an instance of DS9... he's pretty hard to miss.
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Anything Weyoun says is suspect, he was a disinformation agent, the penultimate "unreliable source" who's job it was to mislead the Federation about Dominion intentions and capabilities. Making Vorta seem meek and helpless was part of that. In fact, both the series creator and Jeffery Coombs said that Vorta were actually very effective agents, and that Weyoun was the Dominion equivalent of James Bond and that most of the stuff he said were lies and half-truths.
You can sort of trust some of what the other Vorta say but really the only reliable way of judging their capabilities is by what they do and how they do it. Coombs is excellent at the kind of subtle body language needed to convey that duplicity, for instance if you watch him closely his body language says clearly that he always knows exactly who is in the room and where they are, even when he is not facing them. A major point that he glossed over in the "poor meek half blind Vorta" thing is that they use those extremely complex ears as their primary ranged sense, not vision.
Also, contrary to the implication that they cannot shoot straight Eris had no trouble hitting Sisko and Quark exactly center of mass with her telekinetic bolts, and she had no trouble reading the tactical situation in the DS9 control room when her infiltration plan went south. On top of that, every single Dominion ship in the show where you see the bridge the captain was a Vorta.
As I said earlier, the reason ViL was nothing but Jem'Hadar was obviously because they were not making the Dominion faction as such, they were doing Odo's expidtionary force for the express purpose of supporting the endgame-starting J'H. It is right there in the name of the Expansion.
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"