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Apparently Cryptic is going to explain why the Inquiry was in R&D
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Someone asked about it, and Kael's responce was
Someone asked about it, and Kael's responce was
Listen to P1's show tomorrow, I went into a bit more detail there
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I think we would also be a good idea to get a transcript. Can spread the information better across more formats easier too.
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
my guess is some long winded way of saying either cbs, money, or it seemed like a good idea at the time,
if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
The only alternative answer is CBS made them do it. If not, then yeah. And if so, all bets are off with all future modern ships (near STO's own time period) that show up in future shows. But hey, let's see what he actually says.
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
I am surprised the Mirror Connie wasn't a Promo ship. I know it's not 'all that' but it's still a T6 Connie. I would have thought the Inquiry would have been lock box and the Mirror Warship Promo.
The Inquiry would actually be a fairly good ship for a lock box ship, I am curious why they went R&D.
Yeah, I feel like they got those 2 ships backwards for some reason. Not that I'm saying the Inquiry should have been in any box/pack, because it shouldn't. But since the disco connie is promo it seems the mirror should have been also. But hey, who can figure this stuff out?
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
Also, ever since this thing started. I have been trying to find the livestream/podcast where Cryptic said the line "These certain ships with be c store, these lockbox, these promo). Cause I keep seeing players claim Cryptic "promised" them.
I vaguely remember the stream where that line was mentioned. However i cannot remember for certain if they may have said "Generally, x goes into Y but not always"
You would think if Cryptic promised something big certain players would bookmark, save and do everything they could to record that promise. But so far after scrolling through several reddit/sto threads or trying to find the video I have had no luck. Then again i havent tried to listen to old podcasts (priority one for example) yet.
"Official" in-universe reason: "It's a retired model and the blueprints were lost, so engineers had to painstakingly recreate it as faithful as possible, so it wasn't cheap since said engineers were Ferengi."
Unofficial RL reason: "Hero ship coz Riker, so R&D. The other captains don't count, TRIBBLE them."
And considering what happens in the Lower Decks S1 finale, I also expect a certain other ship to join the R&D "fun" as well (or the Legendary treatment at 12,000 Zen).
Let me clarify this for you: no "promise" was made. No "guarantee" was made. Just a simple statement, a long time ago. The statement was basically this: normal ships (meaning one of the playable factions and from near STO's time period) go in the C-store. Alien or "unusual" ships (meaning from a non-playable faction, or from a distant time period or alternate timeline/etc) go in boxes.
When was this statement made? When lockboxes were introduced into the game sometime in 2012. Was it made on the old forums, or one of the many podcast interviews they did, or in one of the press interviews they did around that time? I honestly have no idea. But I can tell you that it was definitely "common knowledge" that no one even disputed until recently. Unfortunately, after 8 years I doubt anyone is going to find an exact quote.
But here is the thing: it doesn't matter whether anyone actually finds that old quote or not. Why? Because "plans change". So no, they didn't "lie" by finally changing their policy(not "promise"). What they said way back when was true at the time, and remained true for 8 years. But eventually, plans changed. And that's fine; I get it. But they should actually SAY that's the case(and hopefully Kael will).
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
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> Yeah, I feel like they got those 2 ships backwards for some reason. Not that I'm saying the Inquiry should have been in any box/pack, because it shouldn't. But since the disco connie is promo it seems the mirror should have been also. But hey, who can figure this stuff out?
I think the Inquiry should have been lobi, it was perfect for that, more available but still high priced..
The 10th Rule of Acquisition : Greed is eternal
Must be funny
In the rich man's world
Whales , bank balances, and the desire and demands of the Top Ceo's in associated companies who aren't gamer's to question every M.M.O dev's on the planet , why the didgiridoo cant you lot be making money like that Fortnite gamey thing does.
We give you access to current broadcast story line content, we expect you to make large profit from these assests . Modern Trek shows are providing these in-program asset's to make profit from the targeted audience. Rare items that require the real money purchase of items, to obtain the desired item, means profit and just how tweaked have the drop rates of the desired items now be drawn out to, to achieve the target profit numbers, we would need to ask companies revenue managers and consultants on business targets for the year, given the current Covid 19 issues impacting various areas of business. "we're loosing money here, we need to recuperate money from there".
As much as we the players would hope for certain items to be "freely" available (in game currency not requiring anything but a grind - conversion aspect / or small transaction Z store payment" ) certain elements within Cryptic are playing on the psychological gambling addiction aspect, of house bound people playing the open the box, fruit reel psychological game of hope to win, lose, feel disappointed, chase the win high, open multiple boxes , in the same way, as is played out on Fruit reels in casino's.
Don't forget there's some evidence that the Inquiry was originally intended to be a Legendary ship, probably similar to the Legendary T'Liss. Aside from the evidence there had been rumors for a couple of months that Cryptic was going to release a single ship federation legendary pack.
I imagine they just decided that they could make more money off of it by throwing it in a Promo Pack instead of just selling it directly (Maybe they did, maybe they didn't, promo boxes have been on a decline for a while now, maybe they were hoping the Inquiry would give them a boost.)
Also it seems a change in a policy that existed that LB/PROMO ships were 95% of the time either alien origin(vaadwaur jugger, borg ship etc) any side can pick or like when they released the temporal dreads, one ship per side. Now its straight Federation ships, and I dont think that is good for anyone. Still, if that is their choice, they should had said they decided to have the federation ships they feel are potentially popular to lockboxes/promoboxes from now on
Except there is no word or proof of that.. anywhere.. and there never has been.
I have never believed that CBS is micromanaging this game to that degree.. because it doesn't make any sense. I do remember a Dev saying something about CBS not allowing a T6 Constitution class several years ago, but there is actually no real proof of any type that CBS is micromanaging every aspect of the game. Every time something happens that the player base feels is less then ideal, CBS is listed as the big bad monster that's to blame for whatever the current complaint is. They're a scapegoat despite the fact that there has never actually been any real proof outside of word of mouth from a forum poster or two saying they're pulling the strings.
Is CBS involved in the development? Yes, Cryptic has actually stated that multiple times.. are they standing over Cryptic veto'ing everything and telling them exactly how every item must be sold? Highly doubtful.
CBS's level of involvement with STO is not now, nor has it ever been anything other then speculation by the player base.
The day the license was spilt among CBS and Paramount, it was a chasm that sprung after that. There was no one at CBS back then and now, that was a fan that liked sci-fi that much. Former CEO Moonves drove that thought throughout the company during his tenure.
That state of mind still continues to some point, even though the formentioned companies are reunited as of now. Paramount was a much better handler to the franchise, because they had people who understood it, but that old guard is probably gone. And we are left with no folks who has no vested interest of appreication to the history of it, and just see on what monies can be made. *pertaining to CBS, BR & SH*
And yes...they can micromanage it to death if they want. The IP is in their portfolio, until that changed otherwise.
My bad.. it was him I was quoting. Fixed it.
No one is debating rather or not they can.. of course they can.
But they don't, why would they?
Again, no one is debating that CBS has input in the game, they're not just going to let people do whatever they want with their IP, but the idea that they micromanage every single transaction and approve the availability of each item offered is frankly, ridiculous.
So is the Kelvin Timeline Heavy Command Cruiser. And that one was the FIRST T6 Connie in game, as a lockbox ship.
Which might have been a mistake on their part.
They put the Kelvin Connie as the Grand Prize and the Vengeance as the 'consolation prize' and most people wanted the Vengeance. I am not sure they wouldn't want to do that one over again.. I am sure they still made plenty of money, people likely opened a lot of boxes for Lobi, but still. I think they over estimated the demand for the Kelvin Timeline Constitution Class and somewhat undervalued the Vengeance.
Worked for me though, the second I saw the Vengeance on the big screen in the theater my first thought was that I couldn't wait to fly one in STO.
Yeah, it's a weird thing. On the one hand, I definitely believe CBS was the one saying "no" to the end game connie for all those years, because it would make literally no sense for Cryptic to not want all of that money if it were really up to them(Cryptic). So yeah, that only makes sense that it was beyond their (Cryptic's) control.
On the other hand, I don't believe the "CBS has to approve every single thing" line. Why? Does anybody remember the little Yoda guy in the Winter Wonderland? That's not the kind of thing CBS would say "yeah, sure" on. They would say "nah, we better not risk that". That is the kind of thing a dev puts in to be funny (and it was). But it's not the kind of thing a legal thinking person would actually approve. So that in itself is proof CBS is not approving every little thing in the game.
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008