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  • nimbullnimbull Member Posts: 1,564 Arc User
    edited September 2020
    Green people don't have to be.... little.
  • nimbullnimbull Member Posts: 1,564 Arc User
    nimbull wrote: »
    Imagine if they did Discovery like this:
    The show would have been a laughing stock that never made it past S1.

    And yet if it weren't for that type of show Discovery would never be here. I think you assume to much because new and flashy isn't always better.
    Green people don't have to be.... little.
  • postagepaidpostagepaid Member Posts: 2,899 Arc User
    TOS knew it's effects might not be that great which is why they had characters who were interesting to watch and enjoyable stories. What's disco's excuse?
  • nimbullnimbull Member Posts: 1,564 Arc User
    nimbull wrote: »
    And yet if it weren't for that type of show Discovery would never be here. I think you assume to much because new and flashy isn't always better.
    What a complete non-argument.

    TOS was made in the 60s when that was acceptable.

    Star Trek Continues, Axanar, there's plenty of work wither it was completed or shut down that shows it can work even in this day and age.
    Green people don't have to be.... little.
  • chastity1337chastity1337 Member Posts: 1,606 Arc User
    .I too am kind of sick of these characters always coming back. I want a new galactic threat. Something that maybe even introduces a new area of space. After ViL, I barely even venture into the gamma quadrant like, at all. I honestly would love it if they brought back dimplomacy/first contact missions. idk, there just needs to be some change in the formula. something they haven't done before.

    And as for the shows. I'm a future thinker. I don't want Star Trek to keep revisiting the past. Im glad Discovery looks the way it does. I forgive TOS because it was the 60's. Effects were primitive, and their budget was basically poverty by today's standards. They did the best they could with the resources they had.

    I'm 60 years old, and I cut my teeth on TOS, but I do agree with most of what you say. I even liked as lot of Disco, though there were some things I didn't care for.

    I liked Tilly, even if she was a bit of a Mary Sue.
    I loved Tilly as Captain Killy. She was smoking hot in that black and gold armor, and it was fun to see her play the bad girl.
    I liked Stamets as a character, but got bored when they used him as a tool for woke exposition.
    I liked Lorca and The Empress. I liked the badass side of their nature, and I have always been very fond of Michelle Yeoh, she's a great actress.
    I liked Captain Pike and how he was portrayed.
    I enjoyed learning more about Section 31.

    I wasn't crazy about Burnham. The actress just didn't appeal to me.
    I wasn't crazy about the JJ Trek Klingons.

    In summary, I liked Disco best when it was exploring the boundaries. I liked it the least when it was used as a vehicle for woke messaging and virtue signaling.





  • rattler2rattler2 Member Posts: 57,971 Community Moderator
    TOS wasn't shy about some controvertial things in its time. Back then the idea of Kirk and Uhura kissing on screen in that one episode probably drove some people crazy because "its not right". Yet today its looked upon as historic.

    I may be less inclined to rage against anything "woke" in Star Trek, becuase I'm not trying to compare it to real world events. Its what the characters are facing in that episode. Yes Star Trek does draw some inspiration from real world events going on, but honestly I enjoy it more when I DON'T try and inject reality into it. Let the characters face these challenges in universe and just enjoy the story.

    Also I STILL don't understand all this "woke" shtako. That and the so called "cancel culture". Call me old fashioned but that kinda comes across as spoiled brat attention seeking.
    God I sound like an old man. I'm not that old! I only grew up with TNG!
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    I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
    The nut who actually ground out many packs. The resident forum voice of reason (I HAZ FORUM REP! YAY!)
  • legendarylycan#5411 legendarylycan Member Posts: 37,276 Arc User
    but of course no one remembers the REAL historic 'first interracial kiss on TV' moment - star trek was not the first​​
    Like special weapons from other Star Trek games? Wondering if they can be replicated in STO even a little bit? Check this out: https://forum.arcgames.com/startrekonline/discussion/1262277/a-mostly-comprehensive-guide-to-star-trek-videogame-special-weapons-and-their-sto-equivalents

    #LegalizeAwoo

    A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
    An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
    A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
    A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"


    "It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
    "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
    Passion and Serenity are one.
    I gain power by understanding both.
    In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
    I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
    The Force is united within me.
  • andrewndb#1834 andrewndb Member Posts: 44 Arc User
    I'm just now playing through the "J'Ula's Discovery" episodes. I'd already played "Measure of Morality" months back (and that was GOOD!). It all starts out strong but just becomes back-to-back system patrol stuff with not even any ground missions. A bit disappointing.
  • robyvisionrobyvision Member Posts: 293 Arc User
    I didn't play any of these newer missions. Couldn't they have made something more different than discovery pi card spin off, year of the klingons thingy?
  • chastity1337chastity1337 Member Posts: 1,606 Arc User
    but of course no one remembers the REAL historic 'first interracial kiss on TV' moment - star trek was not the first​​

    I'm thinking about this and drawing a blank.

    It seems to be disputed-
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirk_and_Uhura's_kiss

  • legendarylycan#5411 legendarylycan Member Posts: 37,276 Arc User
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_interracial_kiss_on_television

    take your pick - I Love Lucy, Sea Hunt, Adventures in Paradise, I Spy and Movin' with Nancy all aired before star trek, and all had interracial kisses - though I Love Lucy is disputed, but the rest aren't

    and that's just AMERICAN TV - british TV had some too​​
    Like special weapons from other Star Trek games? Wondering if they can be replicated in STO even a little bit? Check this out: https://forum.arcgames.com/startrekonline/discussion/1262277/a-mostly-comprehensive-guide-to-star-trek-videogame-special-weapons-and-their-sto-equivalents

    #LegalizeAwoo

    A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
    An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
    A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
    A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"


    "It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
    "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
    Passion and Serenity are one.
    I gain power by understanding both.
    In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
    I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
    The Force is united within me.
  • chastity1337chastity1337 Member Posts: 1,606 Arc User
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_interracial_kiss_on_television

    take your pick - I Love Lucy, Sea Hunt, Adventures in Paradise, I Spy and Movin' with Nancy all aired before star trek, and all had interracial kisses - though I Love Lucy is disputed, but the rest aren't

    and that's just AMERICAN TV - british TV had some too​​

    Oooh Sea Hunt! With Lloyd Bridges! I used to watch that religiously.

  • smokebaileysmokebailey Member Posts: 4,659 Arc User
    nimbull wrote: »

    Nicer ship design.
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  • smokebaileysmokebailey Member Posts: 4,659 Arc User
    rattler2 wrote: »
    TOS wasn't shy about some controvertial things in its time. Back then the idea of Kirk and Uhura kissing on screen in that one episode probably drove some people crazy because "its not right". Yet today its looked upon as historic.

    I may be less inclined to rage against anything "woke" in Star Trek, becuase I'm not trying to compare it to real world events. Its what the characters are facing in that episode. Yes Star Trek does draw some inspiration from real world events going on, but honestly I enjoy it more when I DON'T try and inject reality into it. Let the characters face these challenges in universe and just enjoy the story.

    Also I STILL don't understand all this "woke" shtako. That and the so called "cancel culture". Call me old fashioned but that kinda comes across as spoiled brat attention seeking.
    God I sound like an old man. I'm not that old! I only grew up with TNG!

    TOS was subtle in what it did. Disco uses a battering ram.
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  • smokebaileysmokebailey Member Posts: 4,659 Arc User
    .I too am kind of sick of these characters always coming back. I want a new galactic threat. Something that maybe even introduces a new area of space. After ViL, I barely even venture into the gamma quadrant like, at all. I honestly would love it if they brought back dimplomacy/first contact missions. idk, there just needs to be some change in the formula. something they haven't done before.

    And as for the shows. I'm a future thinker. I don't want Star Trek to keep revisiting the past. Im glad Discovery looks the way it does. I forgive TOS because it was the 60's. Effects were primitive, and their budget was basically poverty by today's standards. They did the best they could with the resources they had.

    I'm 60 years old, and I cut my teeth on TOS, but I do agree with most of what you say. I even liked as lot of Disco, though there were some things I didn't care for.

    I liked Tilly, even if she was a bit of a Mary Sue.
    I loved Tilly as Captain Killy. She was smoking hot in that black and gold armor, and it was fun to see her play the bad girl.
    I liked Stamets as a character, but got bored when they used him as a tool for woke exposition.
    I liked Lorca and The Empress. I liked the badass side of their nature, and I have always been very fond of Michelle Yeoh, she's a great actress.
    I liked Captain Pike and how he was portrayed.
    I enjoyed learning more about Section 31.

    I wasn't crazy about Burnham. The actress just didn't appeal to me.
    I wasn't crazy about the JJ Trek Klingons.

    In summary, I liked Disco best when it was exploring the boundaries. I liked it the least when it was used as a vehicle for woke messaging and virtue signaling.





    Pity they took those ideas and characters from an indie game designer, and got away with it.


    Lower Decks is how Disco SHOULD have been ,since it WAS focusing on non captains.
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  • smokebaileysmokebailey Member Posts: 4,659 Arc User
    nimbull wrote: »
    nimbull wrote: »
    And yet if it weren't for that type of show Discovery would never be here. I think you assume to much because new and flashy isn't always better.
    What a complete non-argument.

    TOS was made in the 60s when that was acceptable.

    Star Trek Continues, Axanar, there's plenty of work wither it was completed or shut down that shows it can work even in this day and age.

    Yep.

    Also, this looks very nice:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQHvhuNXvV0

    And
    https://www.theverge.com/2015/3/10/8185787/star-trek-original-enterprise-new-movies
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  • smokebaileysmokebailey Member Posts: 4,659 Arc User
    nimbull wrote: »
    And yet if it weren't for that type of show Discovery would never be here. I think you assume to much because new and flashy isn't always better.
    What a complete non-argument.

    TOS was made in the 60s when that was acceptable.

    ST continues, ST Phase 2, Axxanar....they all looked good, and shows it CAN look nice still....and the fans can do better than the so-called pros. https://www.theverge.com/2015/3/10/8185787/star-trek-original-enterprise-new-movies <---- heck, look what some simple photo ship can do, as well.

    TOS remastered did well, as did "In a Mirror Darkly".

    Modern does not have to be all gribblly and loaded with kibble, like star wars, OR looking out of place from prior stuff.

    Some folks to Armada 3 patch and made a nice TOS set, including a TOS Discovery, which really looked good.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-t0d6cIMdSY <---- Sometime after 1:26:00 mark, within 5 minutes or so.



    Also, THIS sounds far more interesting than what Disco gave us.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0ftNI-nBcQ


    Just takes a lil hard work, and some original thinking (GASP!!!!)

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  • smokebaileysmokebailey Member Posts: 4,659 Arc User
    Just takes a lil hard work, and some original thinking (GASP!!!!)

    Both are nonexistent in Hollywood anymore, and they are rapidly disappearing from game development as well.

    Well, Hollywood's full of pedophiles and hypocrites...so I am not surprised at that.

    As for games....EA is probably secretly taking over.
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  • redeyedravenredeyedraven Member Posts: 1,297 Arc User
    edited October 2020
    ST continues, ST Phase 2, Axxanar....they all looked good, and shows it CAN look nice still....and the fans can do better than the so-called pros. https://www.theverge.com/2015/3/10/8185787/star-trek-original-enterprise-new-movies <---- heck, look what some simple photo ship can do, as well.

    But this is stuff FROM hardcore-fans TO hardcore-fans. If Discovery would have been made only for the hardcore-fans and nobody else it would have flopped really hard.

    For instance, the TNG-movies' low box-office-returns didn't come out of nowhere back then. They flopped really hard because general audiences were pretty much unimpressed, because so many things in those movies don't mean anything to those who didn't watch the shows or previous movies.


    As for J'ula... after playing the most recent episodes I actually start to see a glimpse of an actual character there.
  • mrlostsoul#1950 mrlostsoul Member Posts: 41 Arc User
    I don't like or care to play the new fake Star Trek episodes. I'm also tired of hearing about Julie, or Ula, or cross dressing J'ula TRIBBLE, or whatever. One of my fav characters to play is a female Klingon. So I'm horrified of possible changes to the Klingon faction.

    Why don't Dev just create a new alien enemy for them to fight. It doesn't have to involve the Romulan or the Federation. Can't Dev just create a new enemy so the Klingon faction can have something to do without involving the fake star trek. Which I hope dies soon, I'm talking about TRIBBLE and STP.

    STO has been very different from Star Trek canon, and fake star trek. Just create a new enemy. Yes, the Gamma storyline was brilliant, thank you. I wish Dev stayed with that instead of fake star trek. But if corporate CBS forces you to incorporate fake star trek, fine, we get it. But that shouldn't stop new content with new enemies or bring back the Hur'q.

    The Gamma storyline was brilliant. Please continue it. And don't change it and add fake star trek content.
  • smokebaileysmokebailey Member Posts: 4,659 Arc User
    ST continues, ST Phase 2, Axxanar....they all looked good, and shows it CAN look nice still....and the fans can do better than the so-called pros. https://www.theverge.com/2015/3/10/8185787/star-trek-original-enterprise-new-movies <---- heck, look what some simple photo ship can do, as well.

    But this is stuff FROM hardcore-fans TO hardcore-fans. If Discovery would have been made only for the hardcore-fans and nobody else it would have flopped really hard.

    For instance, the TNG-movies' low box-office-returns didn't come out of nowhere back then. They flopped really hard because general audiences were pretty much unimpressed, because so many things in those movies don't mean anything to those who didn't watch the shows or previous movies.


    As for J'ula... after playing the most recent episodes I actually start to see a glimpse of an actual character there.

    'general audience' also watch TRIBBLE like keeping up with the kardassians, and other junk. Not my fault 'general audience' like sleeze, explosions and double d' flopping about.

    The LoTR films were made by a fan for fans, and even the 'general audience' liked it. It CAN be done.
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  • mrlostsoul#1950 mrlostsoul Member Posts: 41 Arc User
    edited October 2020
    If fake star trek would have followed canon. Took place 100 years after Voyager. And was based on episodes instead of long story arcs like GOT. It would have attracted new and old fans.

    The Next Generation movies were not as popular because the writing was bad. Picard's clone? Queen Borg? Soren? The Reman? All the Next Gen movies may have been rushed. It wasn't the characters or the back story. It was the none canon content that ruined the movie.

    LoTR proves that if you stay with canon, it works.

    Don't believe, look at Star Wars. People came in for the Star Wars back story, they left for the crappy new content.
  • redeyedravenredeyedraven Member Posts: 1,297 Arc User
    edited October 2020
    'general audience' also watch TRIBBLE like keeping up with the kardassians, and other junk. Not my fault 'general audience' like sleeze, explosions and double d' flopping about.

    'general audience' also determines if an event/show/movie/game/book is commercially successful or a flop, directly influencing the studio's decision on what to do with it (as in 'continue' or 'shutdown'). So you gotta find a middleground somewhere, like it or not.


    robyvision wrote: »
    I didn't play any of these newer missions. Couldn't they have made something more different than discovery pi card spin off, year of the klingons thingy?

    So you see that J'ula is in the episode and immediately think it's "Discovery-content". Spoiler: It's not so simple.
  • smokebaileysmokebailey Member Posts: 4,659 Arc User
    reyan01 wrote: »
    If fake star trek would have followed canon. Took place 100 years after Voyager. And was based on episodes instead of long story arcs like GOT. It would have attracted new and old fans.

    The Next Generation movies were not as popular because the writing was bad. Picard's clone? Queen Borg? Soren? The Reman? All the Next Gen movies may have been rushed. It wasn't the characters or the back story. It was the none canon content that ruined the movie.

    LoTR proves that if you stay with canon, it works.

    Don't believe, look at Star Wars. People came in for the Star Wars back story, they left for the crappy new content.
    Fortunately you don't get to determine what is or isn't canon.

    Well, the execs, whom I view as bean counters, who THINK they got talent and brains, just divided the fandoms, rather than uniting it.
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