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Ships that still need a T6 version

somtaawkharsomtaawkhar Member Posts: 10,222 Arc User
So I wanted to see what ships we have in-game that still don't have a T6 version(from whatever source), and decided to make a list of them.

Lobi
  • Advanced Obelisk Carrier
  • Hirogen Apex Heavy Battlecruiser

Lockbox
  • APU Cruiser
  • Hirogen Hunter Heavy Escort
  • Kazon Heavy Raider
  • Malon Battlecruiser
  • Nihydron Destroyer
  • Sphere Builder Arehbes Destroyer
  • Tholian Meshweaver Escort

Phoenix Prize Pack
  • Risian Luxury Cruiser
  • Voth Bulwark Dreadnought Cruiser

Starfleet
  • Aquarius Light Escort
  • Cheyenne Heavy Cruiser
  • D'Kyr Science Vessel
  • Dyson Science Destroyers
  • Emissary Star Cruiser
  • Hermes Patrol Escort
  • Malachowski Light Cruiser
  • Nova Science Vessel
  • Oberth Light Science Vessel
  • Olympic Research Science Vessel
  • Pioneer Utility Cruiser
  • Saber Escort
  • Steamrunner Blockade Runner Escort
  • Trident Deep Space Science Vessel

Romulan
  • Dyson Science Destroyers
  • Ha'feh Assault Warbird
  • Ha'nom Guardian Warbird

Now you might notice I didn't include Klingon ships on here, and there is a reason for that. That reason being, I'm undecided which way to go with them.

Klingon faction ships are odd in that, while they retain the same obvious design improvements between tiers that Fed and Rom ship designs do, Klingon ship designs tend to get progressively larger over the tiers, whereas Fed and Romulan ships of the same type remain roughly the same size. This means that Klingon ships are unable to use the parts from the lower tier ships, even if its obviously meant to be the upgrade of the same ship, unlike Fed and Rom ships which can.

We can see this the most in the Klingon raptor line. If you looked at just the images for the T2 Somraw, the T3 Qorgh, the T4 Pach, the T5 Qin, and the T6 Qa'Tel, you could be forgiven for thinking the parts should be interchangeable, given that its obviously just an increasingly upgraded version of the same ship. But, in reality, you can't because the ship keep getting bigger, making the parts from the smaller tiered ships not functional for the higher tier ones. A similar program exist with the Gorn, Orion, and Nausicaan ships. Each has their own line from T3 to T6, and each tier is an obvious upgrade to the previous one, but you can't use the parts from various tiers with each other due to size/shape differences.

On one hand, if I wanted to simply categorize it by the technical upgrade path, only the Klingon Dyson Science Destroyers, and the Fek'Ihri Kar'Fi Battle Carrier, don't have T6 versions(unless you count the Fek'Ihri Fe'rang Dreadnought Carrier as the T6 Kar'Fi). From an interchangeable visual stance however, like half of Klingon ships don't have a T6 ships that can use the parts from lower tier versions.

I do find it funny to note that, out of the 26 faction specific ships(using the technical stance for Klingon ships) that don't have a T6 version, 15 of them are science vessels, and 9 of those are the Dyson Science Destroyers.

Bring on the year of science ships Cryptic!
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  • captaincelestialcaptaincelestial Member Posts: 1,925 Arc User
    Of course, whenever one type of ship has the short end of the stick, and Cryptic tries to fill in the gap, there'll be people upset that that ship type 'gets all the attention'....
  • avoozuulavoozuul Member Posts: 3,196 Arc User
    You didn't have to mention the Luxury cruiser since that will be for next years Summer event.
  • avoozuulavoozuul Member Posts: 3,196 Arc User
    edited September 2020
    Every time they do themed ships during summer/winter they always do them in a row, they don't usually break that but they haven't canceled the plan yet so far either.
  • phoenixc#0738 phoenixc Member Posts: 5,504 Arc User
    avoozuul wrote: »
    You didn't have to mention the Luxury cruiser since that will be for next years Summer event.
    They said that was the tentative plan, but plans change. Until its out, it isn't.

    True, the Luxury Cruiser was originally tentatively scheduled to be this year's summer ship until they changed their minds and had the science ship design poll and kicked the cruiser to next year's summer ship. Hopefully they will actually do it next year, though if they come up with something better that is good too.
  • avoozuulavoozuul Member Posts: 3,196 Arc User
    edited September 2020
    removed
  • redeyedravenredeyedraven Member Posts: 1,297 Arc User
    edited September 2020
    The top of my wishlist right now are basically Nova (the best small ST-ship-design IMO), Olympic (omg that model is SO wrong in almost every way) and the Oberth, which I always liked for its unique design.

    Saber would be neat, too - but tbh the model just needs a bit more detail and access to new materials.
  • redeyedravenredeyedraven Member Posts: 1,297 Arc User
    edited September 2020
    Mine would be the Nova, just to @reyan01 can get his dream ship, and the Dyson Destroyers which not only account for 1/4th of the total ships that don't have a T6 version, but also have probably the most interesting mechanics of them all.

    I would like those too - Science-destroyers sadly didn't take off as they should have IMO (the mirror-Crossfield proved that they'd be the best hybrids if built properly). Also, their unique design is a plus.

    I'd blame the non-removable weapons, however those destroyers were clearly designed around using the Dyson-rep-sets. At least the weapon-set.
  • captainwellscaptainwells Member Posts: 718 Arc User
    For whatever reason and despite endless requests, the devs have clearly avoided doing an upgraded Nova or Oberth? Their logic for not doing so escapes me, but perhaps after the Year of Klingon runs its course, they might consider a "Year of Player Service" and address some of their long absent repurposed missions or old content that was promised and which never materialized or updating more of the nuts and bolts of the game. That alone would keep them busy for a long time, and maybe earn some genuine good will as well?
  • garaffegaraffe Member Posts: 1,353 Arc User
    Bringing down the walls between Romulan, and allied faction, ships gave everyone a much wider array of ships to chose from.

    This was not a good thing, in my humble opinion.
  • rattler2rattler2 Member Posts: 58,018 Community Moderator
    garaffe wrote: »
    This was not a good thing, in my humble opinion.

    It gave Romulans more access to Sci ships if Fed Allied. Something that Romulan players have had a LOT of problems with. Hell... KDF players also kinda suffered from the lack of Sci ships.

    And more options is always good. You can still fly a warbird if you choose, but you also have access to other ships, and the traits that come with them. No more having to spend ECs on a dwindling supply of cross faction traits from allies like Reciprocity (Fed) or Overwhelming Force (KDF).
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  • wraithmeisterwraithmeister Member Posts: 393 Arc User
    Probably 10 years ago, in one of the first box reward ships, I won a Tuffli Freighter. It was cool at the time since inside it has an exchange and bank, so I could use those services anywhere, long before there was kobayashi and similar options. And many is the time I forgot to switch back before going into combat (with my 2 front, 1 rear weapon array).

    Surely a freighter trying to protect itself from pirates needs more firepower than a shuttlecraft...I'm hauling dilithium!!!
    How about a T6 Tuffli! Upgrade weapons to 3,2, add some higher rank boff seats, and let me (and other players) access it's bank/exchange from the exterior in sector space!
  • wraithmeisterwraithmeister Member Posts: 393 Arc User
    As for all the other non-Tuffli ships listed in this post...we had T5U a while back, why not offer a T6U to give a boost to ships that might otherwise never see an upgrade?
  • wraithmeisterwraithmeister Member Posts: 393 Arc User
    westmetals wrote: »
    Also the Ferengi Nandi Warship has a bank, exchange, etc. on its bridge... including a dabo wheel.

    Dabo girls included?
  • nixie50nixie50 Member Posts: 1,268 Arc User
    I've been thinking about the T6 Nova. for Cryptic, it is a lose lose. How would you make a T6 Nova that would sell when you have the Legendary Intrepid? you really gonna give a T6 Nova 7 sci slots? the Intrepid has maxed out the feasible science ship, so you are going to get complaints that a Cstore Nova or even lockbos Nova is subpar to the Intrepid. unless you give the Nova a Lcdr tac seat... 5 sci consoles and the ability to slot TS3 MIGHT be worthwhile
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  • ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,569 Arc User
    Yep, she's there. It doesn't have a Quartermaster, however.

    A T6 Tuffli or Kobayashi would be a 'Q' Ship. WWII meaning, not the all powerful being.
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  • gaevsmangaevsman Member Posts: 3,190 Arc User
    You left out the Tempest... that ship is a beauty, i still use it, and competes very well with T6 ships, but an upgrade is also overdue..
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  • gaevsmangaevsman Member Posts: 3,190 Arc User
    gaevsman wrote: »
    You left out the Tempest... that ship is a beauty, i still use it, and competes very well with T6 ships, but an upgrade is also overdue..

    Edit, i forgot the T4 is the Hermes, by bad :lol:
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  • questeriusquesterius Member Posts: 8,318 Arc User
    So I wanted to see what ships we have in-game that still don't have a T6 version(from whatever source), and decided to make a list of them.

    Lobi
    • Advanced Obelisk Carrier
    • Hirogen Apex Heavy Battlecruiser

    Lockbox
    • APU Cruiser
    • Hirogen Hunter Heavy Escort
    • Kazon Heavy Raider
    • Malon Battlecruiser
    • Nihydron Destroyer
    • Sphere Builder Arehbes Destroyer
    • Tholian Meshweaver Escort

    Phoenix Prize Pack
    • Risian Luxury Cruiser
    • Voth Bulwark Dreadnought Cruiser

    Starfleet
    • Aquarius Light Escort
    • Cheyenne Heavy Cruiser
    • D'Kyr Science Vessel
    • Dyson Science Destroyers
    • Emissary Star Cruiser
    • Hermes Patrol Escort
    • Luna Reconnaissance Science Vessel
    • Malachowski Light Cruiser
    • Nova Science Vessel
    • Oberth Light Science Vessel
    • Olympic Research Science Vessel
    • Pioneer Utility Cruiser
    • Saber Escort
    • Steamrunner Blockade Runner Escort
    • Trident Deep Space Science Vessel

    Romulan
    • Dyson Science Destroyers
    • Ha'feh Assault Warbird
    • Ha'nom Guardian Warbird

    Now you might notice I didn't include Klingon ships on here, and there is a reason for that. That reason being, I'm undecided which way to go with them.

    Klingon faction ships are odd in that, while they retain the same obvious design improvements between tiers that Fed and Rom ship designs do, Klingon ship designs tend to get progressively larger over the tiers, whereas Fed and Romulan ships of the same type remain roughly the same size. This means that Klingon ships are unable to use the parts from the lower tier ships, even if its obviously meant to be the upgrade of the same ship, unlike Fed and Rom ships which can.

    We can see this the most in the Klingon raptor line. If you looked at just the images for the T2 Somraw, the T3 Qorgh, the T4 Pach, the T5 Qin, and the T6 Qa'Tel, you could be forgiven for thinking the parts should be interchangeable, given that its obviously just an increasingly upgraded version of the same ship. But, in reality, you can't because the ship keep getting bigger, making the parts from the smaller tiered ships not functional for the higher tier ones. A similar program exist with the Gorn, Orion, and Nausicaan ships. Each has their own line from T3 to T6, and each tier is an obvious upgrade to the previous one, but you can't use the parts from various tiers with each other due to size/shape differences.

    On one hand, if I wanted to simply categorize it by the technical upgrade path, only the Klingon Dyson Science Destroyers, and the Fek'Ihri Kar'Fi Battle Carrier, don't have T6 versions(unless you count the Fek'Ihri Fe'rang Dreadnought Carrier as the T6 Kar'Fi). From an interchangeable visual stance however, like half of Klingon ships don't have a T6 ships that can use the parts from lower tier versions.

    I do find it funny to note that, out of the 26 faction specific ships(using the technical stance for Klingon ships) that don't have a T6 version, 15 of them are science vessels, and 9 of those are the Dyson Science Destroyers.

    Bring on the year of science ships Cryptic!

    The Cheyenne is one of my favorites, but the Nova/Rhode Island should really be on top of the list. No contest whatsoever.

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