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Why can't we ever get a summer event dreadnought

I get the risian ships are foremost for the summer event but why can't you just leave it to a science dreadnought and not a tiny pilot because I absolutely can't stand ships smaller then a fed battlecruiser let alone my shamshir dreadnought warbird
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  • lianthelialianthelia Member Posts: 7,820 Arc User
    edited August 2020
    Well the Risian ships are built around being faster and more agile...plus we did get the Vorgon dreadnought cruiser two years back.

    Even the luxury cruiser had some agility to it with a turn rate of 10 https://sto.gamepedia.com/Risian_Luxury_Cruiser
  • echattyechatty Member Posts: 5,913 Arc User
    Everyone has their own idea of what a 'perfect' ship is. Some like small and agile, others like big and clumsy.

    IMO, it's a ship I can get with very little investment other than time. So I'm not gonna complain about what it isn't and take it as is.
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  • rattler2rattler2 Member Posts: 57,969 Community Moderator
    We also got the Vorgon Carrier a few years ago.
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  • theanothernametheanothername Member Posts: 1,503 Arc User
    Most ships are as big as they are to host the additional dominance/firepower over the smaller ships in similar tech scale (well... not in game of course because balance). What would a Risa Dread field; superior party-power? ;)

    I mean yeah, I could imagine a megalomaniac Risa luxury ship nearly space station sized to bring the beach and R&R to the far fringes of the universe. Real (*cough* artificial) beaches and spa-zones with real people; no holodecks. Maybe something along the lines of that one summer ship commission with the biosphere dome; just more insane.

    But whats the point of such a ship without an interior to match. Even the regular Risa partyboats are just boring with their standard issue KDF/SF interior.

    Maybe in the future should cryptic ever discover interiors as customizable player housing with lots of monetization options.
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    You get what you pay for
  • echattyechatty Member Posts: 5,913 Arc User
    Not necessarily. I've gotten quite a few event ships that have been very good. Do I build for DPS? No. I build to kill things in a reasonable amount of time and for survival.

    Any ship in this game-Free, C-Store, Lobi, or promo are all viable ships to use in this game. I've done content using a T5 and T5-U ship with no problems.

    Just because you get it without any kind of currency does not mean it's a bad ship.

    I particularly like the Elachi Qulash frigate we got from the Mycelial Event.
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  • maniac20#5251 maniac20 Member Posts: 263 Arc User
    We did have a summer event dreadnought the Vorgon Ytjara Dreadnought Cruiser.
  • echattyechatty Member Posts: 5,913 Arc User
    edited August 2020
    I like that one too. I use it a lot.

    But OP is looking for a Risian dreadnought. I think
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  • phoenixc#0738 phoenixc Member Posts: 5,459 Arc User
    edited August 2020
    Number two in the contest (the one that looked like the Jetson's family aircar) would probably make a good dread if it has something like the ablative holomatter armor that Voyager had in its last episode to protect the dome when it goes into combat.

    You would think that they would be able to just string a bunch of stuff together with turbolifts for interiors, including a small decoratable private cabin or whatever for "housing". A tool could be built with that in mind to make it easier and quicker for devs to throw interiors together though it would cost more than just a little time and effort to make so it probably is not practical unless PWE decides to revamp the game or something (which is unlikely).

    On top of that, the frequent disconnects on map change would make moving around in a modular interior like that rather annoying, and I suspect the problem has something to do with the database servers. If that is the case it would likely be a tremendous effort, almost like making a new game, to fix the problem (database glitches are one of the worst things to try and do anything about on a legacy system like a ten year old game).
  • sniper1187sniper1187 Member Posts: 251 Arc User
    echatty wrote: »
    Not necessarily. I've gotten quite a few event ships that have been very good. Do I build for DPS? No. I build to kill things in a reasonable amount of time and for survival.

    Any ship in this game-Free, C-Store, Lobi, or promo are all viable ships to use in this game. I've done content using a T5 and T5-U ship with no problems.

    Just because you get it without any kind of currency does not mean it's a bad ship.

    I particularly like the Elachi Qulash frigate we got from the Mycelial Event.

    I have the Jem'Hadar Recon Ship T5, named it Murder Hornet and covered the visual slots with the Borg visuals, fun little ship.

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  • echattyechatty Member Posts: 5,913 Arc User
    ^Generally, my preferences run more towards the cruiser-dreadnought types that turn like whales, but some of mine do like nimble little ships that murder. The T5-U corvette was one, the T6 version is even better.
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  • seaofsorrowsseaofsorrows Member Posts: 10,918 Arc User
    I like Science Ships for events.

    I am not going to actually fly the ship either way, and Science Ships are more useful as Admiralty Cards which is what all these ships are to me.

    Personally, I couldn't care less how they look.. I don't fly them anyway. :lol:
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  • annemarie30annemarie30 Member Posts: 2,593 Arc User
    echatty wrote: »
    I like that one too. I use it a lot.

    But OP is looking for a Risian dreadnought. I think

    we did the the Risian Love boat several years ago. I think the T6 version is due.
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  • spiritbornspiritborn Member Posts: 4,248 Arc User
    Most ships are as big as they are to host the additional dominance/firepower over the smaller ships in similar tech scale (well... not in game of course because balance). What would a Risa Dread field; superior party-power? ;)

    I mean yeah, I could imagine a megalomaniac Risa luxury ship nearly space station sized to bring the beach and R&R to the far fringes of the universe. Real (*cough* artificial) beaches and spa-zones with real people; no holodecks. Maybe something along the lines of that one summer ship commission with the biosphere dome; just more insane.

    But whats the point of such a ship without an interior to match. Even the regular Risa partyboats are just boring with their standard issue KDF/SF interior.

    Maybe in the future should cryptic ever discover interiors as customizable player housing with lots of monetization options.

    I'm pretty sure Cryptic are aware of customizable interiors/player housing being a thing, but it always boils down to how much work it is compared to the returns they'd from it and people here always underestimate the amount of work needed and by a rather large margin too.

    As for Risa not having big ships, big ships are also expensive and Star Trek does have the concept of "lack of resources to do something" so I'd assume Risa doesn't build big Dreadnaughts as there's no need for them and those resources are best used elsewhere.
  • spiritbornspiritborn Member Posts: 4,248 Arc User
    echatty wrote: »
    I like that one too. I use it a lot.

    But OP is looking for a Risian dreadnought. I think

    we did the the Risian Love boat several years ago. I think the T6 version is due.

    Yeah they've talked that T6 luxury cruiser should be next year. It's a regular cruiser though and not really that big for that either (the T5 version that is).
  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    Pick any that apply
    • Beggars can't be choosers
    • There are 3 basic ship classes from which all other variants are born, Escorts, Cruisers and Science Vessels, and we have not had a Risan Science Vessel yet
    • There already was a Summer Dreadnought (a T6 already even) a few years ago, but no Summer Science Vessel yet
    • Cryptic hasn't come up with a good idea for a Risan Dreadnought yet, since Dreadnought doesn't exactly scream "vacation time"
    • They have come up with ideas for Summer Dreadnoughts, but felt it was time for a Science ship first.
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  • theanothernametheanothername Member Posts: 1,503 Arc User
    spiritborn wrote: »
    Most ships are as big as they are to host the additional dominance/firepower over the smaller ships in similar tech scale (well... not in game of course because balance). What would a Risa Dread field; superior party-power? ;)

    I mean yeah, I could imagine a megalomaniac Risa luxury ship nearly space station sized to bring the beach and R&R to the far fringes of the universe. Real (*cough* artificial) beaches and spa-zones with real people; no holodecks. Maybe something along the lines of that one summer ship commission with the biosphere dome; just more insane.

    But whats the point of such a ship without an interior to match. Even the regular Risa partyboats are just boring with their standard issue KDF/SF interior.

    Maybe in the future should cryptic ever discover interiors as customizable player housing with lots of monetization options.

    I'm pretty sure Cryptic are aware of customizable interiors/player housing being a thing, but it always boils down to how much work it is compared to the returns they'd from it and people here always underestimate the amount of work needed and by a rather large margin too.

    As for Risa not having big ships, big ships are also expensive and Star Trek does have the concept of "lack of resources to do something" so I'd assume Risa doesn't build big Dreadnaughts as there's no need for them and those resources are best used elsewhere.

    ...pffft... Cryptic does not need any of us to come up with excuses to not do interiors :P

    How about adding reasons to do them instead? :D

    Besides; I'm aware that they see them as not viable now (otherwise they would be doing more instead of less of them). Thats why I'd rather bench on a future overhaul which adds housing like customization with the aim to dig all in monetization wise. Not that I think its realistic; but I see that more happen than an change of heart and added interiors like we got in the past. Unless the numbers of ppl avoiding event/box ships because they look stupid with Starfleet/KDF bridges are high enough to not ignore.
  • rattler2rattler2 Member Posts: 57,969 Community Moderator
    • Cryptic hasn't come up with a good idea for a Risan Dreadnought yet, since Dreadnought doesn't exactly scream "vacation time"

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    The Vorgon Ytijara Dreadnought Cruiser says hello from 2018?
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  • rattler2rattler2 Member Posts: 57,969 Community Moderator
    *shrug*
    Was still available via Summer Event.
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  • legendarylycan#5411 legendarylycan Member Posts: 37,275 Arc User
    exactly how big of a dreadnought do you want? because the largest of modern cruise ships is already nearly twice the length of the galaxy class, and that's classed as a battleship in videogames (not this one, of course) - you don't need much bigger or more mass for a dreadnought...which BTW, is not a real class and should not be used as one in sci-fi either, but that's a whole other rantble​​
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  • theanothernametheanothername Member Posts: 1,503 Arc User
    exactly how big of a dreadnought do you want? because the largest of modern cruise ships is already nearly twice the length of the galaxy class, and that's classed as a battleship in videogames (not this one, of course) - you don't need much bigger or more mass for a dreadnought...which BTW, is not a real class and should not be used as one in sci-fi either, but that's a whole other rantble​​

    It helps to differentiate in STO. Dread = Cruiser with paper shields, icky weapon layout that can mount DHC and combat pets. ;)
  • rattler2rattler2 Member Posts: 57,969 Community Moderator
    Icky weapon layout? Typically it feels more like Cruiser with single hanger slot and normal cruiser weapons layout of 4/4.

    And I think in Sci-Fi the term Dreadnought is usually applied to something bigger than a Battleship. I know the term originally came from the ship HMS Dreadnought, but beyond that, it tends to refer to classes bigger than Battleships.
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  • legendarylycan#5411 legendarylycan Member Posts: 37,275 Arc User
    i would rather just use battleship for my largest ship; and if i make a bigger ship over the course of a series' evolution, i'd either append heavy to it or shift the type up

    the only time i'd ever make up a new type is if i were doing a ship that has no matching RL type, like blizzard did with the protoss arkship​​
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  • theanothernametheanothername Member Posts: 1,503 Arc User
    rattler2 wrote: »
    Icky weapon layout? Typically it feels more like Cruiser with single hanger slot and normal cruiser weapons layout of 4/4.

    And I think in Sci-Fi the term Dreadnought is usually applied to something bigger than a Battleship. I know the term originally came from the ship HMS Dreadnought, but beyond that, it tends to refer to classes bigger than Battleships.

    Was more referring to the 5/3 or even better 3/5 types. IIRC Dreads are precursors to Battleships; old cruisers retrofitted with more plating and modern (well... 1930s modern) guns. But it has the word dread in it, so it sounds cool and it kinda plays into the retrofitted part as in its a cruiser; just different (most obvious Galaxy -> Galaxy Dread). While a Battleship on the other hand is a distinct next bigger class in the same tech and we don't really have that (Universe class is meta; otherwise yeah, it kinda fits the scaling; but I guess in its time its as much a cruiser as the Galaxy and Constitution are in theirs).

    .... actually calling the STO dreads dreads makes much more sense than I thought; antiquated as it is.
  • ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,569 Arc User
    edited August 2020
    Big heavy ship do not do well in the Summer heat. :)
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  • spiritbornspiritborn Member Posts: 4,248 Arc User
    rattler2 wrote: »
    Icky weapon layout? Typically it feels more like Cruiser with single hanger slot and normal cruiser weapons layout of 4/4.

    And I think in Sci-Fi the term Dreadnought is usually applied to something bigger than a Battleship. I know the term originally came from the ship HMS Dreadnought, but beyond that, it tends to refer to classes bigger than Battleships.

    Was more referring to the 5/3 or even better 3/5 types. IIRC Dreads are precursors to Battleships; old cruisers retrofitted with more plating and modern (well... 1930s modern) guns. But it has the word dread in it, so it sounds cool and it kinda plays into the retrofitted part as in its a cruiser; just different (most obvious Galaxy -> Galaxy Dread). While a Battleship on the other hand is a distinct next bigger class in the same tech and we don't really have that (Universe class is meta; otherwise yeah, it kinda fits the scaling; but I guess in its time its as much a cruiser as the Galaxy and Constitution are in theirs).

    .... actually calling the STO dreads dreads makes much more sense than I thought; antiquated as it is.

    Actually Dreadnoughts were battleships and were always designed to be so, HMS Dreadnought (where the ship type takes its name from) changed the way battleships were designed practically overnight in 1906 (yes almost a decade before WWI and well before 1930s) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Dreadnought_(1906) .

    In fact the Dreadnought was named such because she had nothing to fear from the opposition. the Dreadnought had 10(5*2) 12 inch guns, while the previous Royal Navy battleship-class the Lord Nelson-class had only 4 (2*2) 12 inch, the US Virginia-class Pre-Dreadnought battleships are similar amount of heavy guns as the Lord Nelson class, as did the French, Italian and German pre-Dreadnought battleships, so the Dreadnought had a firepower advantage at range and the speed to stay at range as well, thus forcing others to match. The "golden age" for Dreadnoughts was the First World War.

    By the 1930s most nations were well into the "post-Dreadnought" era. the German Bismark class (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bismarck-class_battleship), the Japanese Yamato-class (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamato-class_battleship) and the US Iowa-class (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iowa-class_battleship) being either 1930s or early 1940s designs and as you can see if you at the guns they resemble the Dreadnought not the pre-Dreadnoughts. (notice how the secondary battery of the Lord Nelson class is 9.2 inch guns, while on all Dreadnoughts and post Dreadnoughts it's only around 5-6 inch)

    Oh and first modern (though obviously pre-dreadnought) battleships were designed in the late 19th century. The USS Texas (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Texas_(1892) ) being an example of a pre-dreadnought battleship from the 19th century, also the Royal Navy started using the classification "battleship" around the same time, so the term battleship predates the Dreadnought by over a decade instead of it being the otherway around.
  • theanothernametheanothername Member Posts: 1,503 Arc User
    spiritborn wrote: »
    rattler2 wrote: »
    Icky weapon layout? Typically it feels more like Cruiser with single hanger slot and normal cruiser weapons layout of 4/4.

    And I think in Sci-Fi the term Dreadnought is usually applied to something bigger than a Battleship. I know the term originally came from the ship HMS Dreadnought, but beyond that, it tends to refer to classes bigger than Battleships.

    Was more referring to the 5/3 or even better 3/5 types. IIRC Dreads are precursors to Battleships; old cruisers retrofitted with more plating and modern (well... 1930s modern) guns. But it has the word dread in it, so it sounds cool and it kinda plays into the retrofitted part as in its a cruiser; just different (most obvious Galaxy -> Galaxy Dread). While a Battleship on the other hand is a distinct next bigger class in the same tech and we don't really have that (Universe class is meta; otherwise yeah, it kinda fits the scaling; but I guess in its time its as much a cruiser as the Galaxy and Constitution are in theirs).

    .... actually calling the STO dreads dreads makes much more sense than I thought; antiquated as it is.

    Actually Dreadnoughts were battleships and were always designed to be so, HMS Dreadnought (where the ship type takes its name from) changed the way battleships were designed practically overnight in 1906 (yes almost a decade before WWI and well before 1930s) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Dreadnought_(1906) .

    In fact the Dreadnought was named such because she had nothing to fear from the opposition. the Dreadnought had 10(5*2) 12 inch guns, while the previous Royal Navy battleship-class the Lord Nelson-class had only 4 (2*2) 12 inch, the US Virginia-class Pre-Dreadnought battleships are similar amount of heavy guns as the Lord Nelson class, as did the French, Italian and German pre-Dreadnought battleships, so the Dreadnought had a firepower advantage at range and the speed to stay at range as well, thus forcing others to match. The "golden age" for Dreadnoughts was the First World War.

    By the 1930s most nations were well into the "post-Dreadnought" era. the German Bismark class (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bismarck-class_battleship), the Japanese Yamato-class (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamato-class_battleship) and the US Iowa-class (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iowa-class_battleship) being either 1930s or early 1940s designs and as you can see if you at the guns they resemble the Dreadnought not the pre-Dreadnoughts. (notice how the secondary battery of the Lord Nelson class is 9.2 inch guns, while on all Dreadnoughts and post Dreadnoughts it's only around 5-6 inch)

    Oh and first modern (though obviously pre-dreadnought) battleships were designed in the late 19th century. The USS Texas (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Texas_(1892) ) being an example of a pre-dreadnought battleship from the 19th century, also the Royal Navy started using the classification "battleship" around the same time, so the term battleship predates the Dreadnought by over a decade instead of it being the otherway around.

    Nice compilation :)

    So one could say by WW2 they split up the old Battleship classifications into Cruisers/Battlecruisers and what a few years before would had been called Dreadnought was now the Battleship?

    Now I want a Space Battleship Bismarck for next summer :P (Yamato might be problematic I guess)
  • spiritbornspiritborn Member Posts: 4,248 Arc User
    edited August 2020
    spiritborn wrote: »
    rattler2 wrote: »
    Icky weapon layout? Typically it feels more like Cruiser with single hanger slot and normal cruiser weapons layout of 4/4.

    And I think in Sci-Fi the term Dreadnought is usually applied to something bigger than a Battleship. I know the term originally came from the ship HMS Dreadnought, but beyond that, it tends to refer to classes bigger than Battleships.

    Was more referring to the 5/3 or even better 3/5 types. IIRC Dreads are precursors to Battleships; old cruisers retrofitted with more plating and modern (well... 1930s modern) guns. But it has the word dread in it, so it sounds cool and it kinda plays into the retrofitted part as in its a cruiser; just different (most obvious Galaxy -> Galaxy Dread). While a Battleship on the other hand is a distinct next bigger class in the same tech and we don't really have that (Universe class is meta; otherwise yeah, it kinda fits the scaling; but I guess in its time its as much a cruiser as the Galaxy and Constitution are in theirs).

    .... actually calling the STO dreads dreads makes much more sense than I thought; antiquated as it is.

    Actually Dreadnoughts were battleships and were always designed to be so, HMS Dreadnought (where the ship type takes its name from) changed the way battleships were designed practically overnight in 1906 (yes almost a decade before WWI and well before 1930s) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Dreadnought_(1906) .

    In fact the Dreadnought was named such because she had nothing to fear from the opposition. the Dreadnought had 10(5*2) 12 inch guns, while the previous Royal Navy battleship-class the Lord Nelson-class had only 4 (2*2) 12 inch, the US Virginia-class Pre-Dreadnought battleships are similar amount of heavy guns as the Lord Nelson class, as did the French, Italian and German pre-Dreadnought battleships, so the Dreadnought had a firepower advantage at range and the speed to stay at range as well, thus forcing others to match. The "golden age" for Dreadnoughts was the First World War.

    By the 1930s most nations were well into the "post-Dreadnought" era. the German Bismark class (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bismarck-class_battleship), the Japanese Yamato-class (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamato-class_battleship) and the US Iowa-class (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iowa-class_battleship) being either 1930s or early 1940s designs and as you can see if you at the guns they resemble the Dreadnought not the pre-Dreadnoughts. (notice how the secondary battery of the Lord Nelson class is 9.2 inch guns, while on all Dreadnoughts and post Dreadnoughts it's only around 5-6 inch)

    Oh and first modern (though obviously pre-dreadnought) battleships were designed in the late 19th century. The USS Texas (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Texas_(1892) ) being an example of a pre-dreadnought battleship from the 19th century, also the Royal Navy started using the classification "battleship" around the same time, so the term battleship predates the Dreadnought by over a decade instead of it being the otherway around.

    Nice compilation :)

    So one could say by WW2 they split up the old Battleship classifications into Cruisers/Battlecruisers and what a few years before would had been called Dreadnought was now the Battleship?

    Now I want a Space Battleship Bismarck for next summer :P (Yamato might be problematic I guess)

    Well not really as cruisers were a pre-WWII classification as well, in fact at Jutland (to date only major battle between modern battleships) both the British Grand Fleet and the German High Seas Fleet were split between the battleships and battlecruiser parts. Really the only ship classification to really come from WWII is the aircraft carrier (technically even that predates the war but WWII was essentially the first major conflict for carriers).

    Battlecruisers were the "budget" version of a battleship (similar guns to full battleship but less armor), dreadnought ship was never a classification so much as it was a type of battleship, so pre-dreadnought = "ships designed before the launch of HMS Dreadnought", dreadnought ="ships based on the design of HMS Dreadnougt", post-dreadnought = "ships that took the lessons of WWI into account and improved upon the design of dreadnoughts".

    EDIT:If Cryptic wanted to historically accurate with their ship designs, Dreadnoughts should have little to no damage fall off (to simulate the fact that Dreadnoughts had superior long range firepower compared to pre-Dreadnoughts) that or something like 15 km targeting range.
  • theanothernametheanothername Member Posts: 1,503 Arc User
    spiritborn wrote: »
    spiritborn wrote: »
    rattler2 wrote: »
    Icky weapon layout? Typically it feels more like Cruiser with single hanger slot and normal cruiser weapons layout of 4/4.

    And I think in Sci-Fi the term Dreadnought is usually applied to something bigger than a Battleship. I know the term originally came from the ship HMS Dreadnought, but beyond that, it tends to refer to classes bigger than Battleships.

    Was more referring to the 5/3 or even better 3/5 types. IIRC Dreads are precursors to Battleships; old cruisers retrofitted with more plating and modern (well... 1930s modern) guns. But it has the word dread in it, so it sounds cool and it kinda plays into the retrofitted part as in its a cruiser; just different (most obvious Galaxy -> Galaxy Dread). While a Battleship on the other hand is a distinct next bigger class in the same tech and we don't really have that (Universe class is meta; otherwise yeah, it kinda fits the scaling; but I guess in its time its as much a cruiser as the Galaxy and Constitution are in theirs).

    .... actually calling the STO dreads dreads makes much more sense than I thought; antiquated as it is.

    Actually Dreadnoughts were battleships and were always designed to be so, HMS Dreadnought (where the ship type takes its name from) changed the way battleships were designed practically overnight in 1906 (yes almost a decade before WWI and well before 1930s) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Dreadnought_(1906) .

    In fact the Dreadnought was named such because she had nothing to fear from the opposition. the Dreadnought had 10(5*2) 12 inch guns, while the previous Royal Navy battleship-class the Lord Nelson-class had only 4 (2*2) 12 inch, the US Virginia-class Pre-Dreadnought battleships are similar amount of heavy guns as the Lord Nelson class, as did the French, Italian and German pre-Dreadnought battleships, so the Dreadnought had a firepower advantage at range and the speed to stay at range as well, thus forcing others to match. The "golden age" for Dreadnoughts was the First World War.

    By the 1930s most nations were well into the "post-Dreadnought" era. the German Bismark class (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bismarck-class_battleship), the Japanese Yamato-class (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamato-class_battleship) and the US Iowa-class (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iowa-class_battleship) being either 1930s or early 1940s designs and as you can see if you at the guns they resemble the Dreadnought not the pre-Dreadnoughts. (notice how the secondary battery of the Lord Nelson class is 9.2 inch guns, while on all Dreadnoughts and post Dreadnoughts it's only around 5-6 inch)

    Oh and first modern (though obviously pre-dreadnought) battleships were designed in the late 19th century. The USS Texas (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Texas_(1892) ) being an example of a pre-dreadnought battleship from the 19th century, also the Royal Navy started using the classification "battleship" around the same time, so the term battleship predates the Dreadnought by over a decade instead of it being the otherway around.

    Nice compilation :)

    So one could say by WW2 they split up the old Battleship classifications into Cruisers/Battlecruisers and what a few years before would had been called Dreadnought was now the Battleship?

    Now I want a Space Battleship Bismarck for next summer :P (Yamato might be problematic I guess)

    Well not really as cruisers were a pre-WWII classification as well, in fact at Jutland (to date only major battle between modern battleships) both the British Grand Fleet and the German High Seas Fleet were split between the battleships and battlecruiser parts. Really the only ship classification to really come from WWII is the aircraft carrier (technically even that predates the war but WWII was essentially the first major conflict for carriers).

    Battlecruisers were the "budget" version of a battleship (similar guns to full battleship but less armor), dreadnought ship was never a classification so much as it was a type of battleship, so pre-dreadnought = "ships designed before the launch of HMS Dreadnought", dreadnought ="ships based on the design of HMS Dreadnougt", post-dreadnought = "ships that took the lessons of WWI into account and improved upon the design of dreadnoughts".

    EDIT:If Cryptic wanted to historically accurate with their ship designs, Dreadnoughts should have little to no damage fall off (to simulate the fact that Dreadnoughts had superior long range firepower compared to pre-Dreadnoughts) that or something like 15 km targeting range.

    That opens up a totally different can of worms which ends in stuff like why don't the Universe and its ROM/KDF sisters don't outgun each and everything in all departments instead of being more or less on equal footing with ships that look like hanger pets next to it.
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