> @nrobbiec said:
> A solution could be a terrain mini faction that auto sides with kdf similar to how tos and dsc allies with modern fed. Then faction specific dialogue can be drip fed into a new terrain empire arc in the same vain.
Terrans do not cooperate with Klingons.
Precisely, in both Universes the Klingons are on the opposite side regardless of morals, and the Terrans are, supposedly, extremely xenophobic, with other races kept as slaves and even live-stock. Why would the Terran Empire even bother to side with anyone? However, the whole DS9 mirror arc confuses the matter too, as one moment the Bajorans (Kira) are using the Terrans as slaves, and in STO a Bajoran (Leeta) is after becoming the Terran Emperor with Humans as her allies!!
A solution could be a terrain mini faction that auto sides with kdf similar to how tos and dsc allies with modern fed. Then faction specific dialogue can be drip fed into a new terrain empire arc in the same vain.
Why? EvenIf if you were a 'good' Terran, you'd go to the Federation as they would be more forgiving, the KDF isn't known for accepting traitors, nevermind trusting them!
"You don't want to patrol!? You don't want to escort!? You don't want to defend the Federation's Starbases!? Then why are you flying my Starships!? If you were a Klingon you'd be killed on the spot, but lucky for you.....you WERE in Starfleet. Let's see how New Zealand Penal Colony suits you." Adm A. Necheyev.
A solution could be a terrain mini faction that auto sides with kdf similar to how tos and dsc allies with modern fed. Then faction specific dialogue can be drip fed into a new terrain empire arc in the same vain.
They would side with Fed, if only because their clothes and ships look Fed and we (still) can't have KDF use them even after everyone else does. Allegedly because CBS.
> @somtaawkhar said:
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> Kael doesn't need to pass on anything.
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> Cryptic has mentioned several times they are aware people want playable Terrans, but said it wont happen. As for the ISS prefix, they have mentioned that the reason why it isn't on more ship is because it has to be manually added to every ship, which makes its a very time consuming task.
Doesn't need to pass on anything?
Try and read that again and think this time. There is a big difference between a request and a demand. Kael passes on things to the team meetings. Don't start bossing around on what I should ask them. I've already had my fill of 3 pages of loonies trying to gatekeep.
They have never said anything of the such. Where are your sources? Links & quotations please.
I.S.S. Prefix is a time consuming task? How did you come to that conclusion? It is one letter! Not a entire re-texture working of a brand new model.
Cite your sources next time.
It is not a case of "one letter", it is a case of adding one line to every single ship that would use it in the database. That is a bit like taking a very, very, big spreadsheet and adding in a new line for every item block. It is not a trivial thing.
> @nrobbiec said:
> A solution could be a terrain mini faction that auto sides with kdf similar to how tos and dsc allies with modern fed. Then faction specific dialogue can be drip fed into a new terrain empire arc in the same vain.
Terrans do not cooperate with Klingons.
Siding with is simply a gameplay mechanic. It would be a way for them to fight against the Feds. Besides, what cunning Terran wouldn't want to use Klingon brutes for their own gain?
> @phoenixc#0738 said:
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> It is not a case of "one letter", it is a case of adding one line to every single ship that would use it in the database. That is a bit like taking a very, very, big spreadsheet and adding in a new line for every item block. It is not a trivial thing.
Don't bother, he is claiming no one ever said that yet it has been stated by the devs in multiple places including livestreams, so clearly he just refuses to.accept facts. No surprise really as his response to losing an argument is to harrass people via PM.
Well, asking for citations is a bit 'low-brow' for a video game, especially when multiple people are saying the same thing. Does he/she really expect people to review years upon years of Livestreams for a 10 second quotation!?
"You don't want to patrol!? You don't want to escort!? You don't want to defend the Federation's Starbases!? Then why are you flying my Starships!? If you were a Klingon you'd be killed on the spot, but lucky for you.....you WERE in Starfleet. Let's see how New Zealand Penal Colony suits you." Adm A. Necheyev.
> @phoenixc#0738 said:
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> It is not a case of "one letter", it is a case of adding one line to every single ship that would use it in the database. That is a bit like taking a very, very, big spreadsheet and adding in a new line for every item block. It is not a trivial thing.
Don't bother, he is claiming no one ever said that yet it has been stated by the devs in multiple places including livestreams, so clearly he just refuses to.accept facts. No surprise really as his response to losing an argument is to harrass people via PM.
Yeah good point @azrael605. A question that you should ask to yourself. Why bother continuing to relive a recently closed thread here now? I'll be surprised if you can ever enter an argument without it becoming another personal vendetta much less accepting whatever you decide are facts or not.
The only argument "lost" is the one in your head. The discussion ended and I would say @meimeitoo did a fine job at staying constructively argumentative at the end as they were the few that bothered to present any "FACTS" with a cool head.
If it was ever mentioned on a live stream I wasn't aware of it. That isn't a "CRIME" azrael605 I don't always have lot of time to watch all the1 hour weekly long streams like you clearly do. I have other priorities in life other than accepting whatever you post as factual and running around social boards looking for quotes you NEVER wanted to provide. I did ask for a link of the video and timestamp but if @baddmoonrizin says they said it then that is good enough for me. Thanks as always for being such a good sport about everything.
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Well, asking for citations is a bit 'low-brow' for a video game, especially when multiple people are saying the same thing. Does he/she really expect people to review years upon years of Livestreams for a 10 second quotation!?
There is nothing "low-brow" about asking people to cite their sourceswhen they're going to write what someone they believe went on record of saying. Do you think citing sources of what people have said in the past isn't important because it's a video game? Absurd.
"especially when multiple people are saying the same thing." You mean somtaawkhar & baddmoonrizin. That is only after asking for sources not before like you imply.
"really expect people to review years upon years of Livestreams for a 10 second quotation!?"
I expect people to cite sources because it's a common practise, yes. GJ in over exaggerating it though. "years upon years" <chuckles>
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It is not a case of "one letter", it is a case of adding one line to every single ship that would use it in the database. That is a bit like taking a very, very, big spreadsheet and adding in a new line for every item block. It is not a trivial thing.
How did they manage it with the NX Ship Registry? Maybe it's a hassle to do it for every fed ship now. I wonder why they didn't just leave the U.S.S. as Prefix None. Would have saved them a lot of time in typing out their very, very, big spreadsheet.
"Great men are not peacemakers, Great men are conquerors!" - Captain Archer" "When diplomacy fails, there's only one alternative - violence. Force must be applied without apology. It's the Starfleet way." - Captain Janeway #Support Mirror Universe I.S.S. Prefixes
Precisely, in both Universes the Klingons are on the opposite side regardless of morals, and the Terrans are, supposedly, extremely xenophobic, with other races kept as slaves and even live-stock. Why would the Terran Empire even bother to side with anyone? However, the whole DS9 mirror arc confuses the matter too, as one moment the Bajorans (Kira) are using the Terrans as slaves, and in STO a Bajoran (Leeta) is after becoming the Terran Emperor with Humans as her allies!!
A solution could be a terrain mini faction that auto sides with kdf similar to how tos and dsc allies with modern fed. Then faction specific dialogue can be drip fed into a new terrain empire arc in the same vain.
Why? EvenIf if you were a 'good' Terran, you'd go to the Federation as they would be more forgiving, the KDF isn't known for accepting traitors, nevermind trusting them!
Yeah.... extremely xenophobic... Sure.
Xeno bridge crew:
Sure doesn't look extremely xenophobic to me. They shared power and resources with Non-Terrans. Look at both the ISS Enterprise and ISS Avenger diverse alien crews. In fact, the Avenger's bridge crew was at least half alien. You have someone like Archer after his mutiny he made T'Pol his first officer, even though Reed was next in line under the ship's chain of command. His hatred of Vulcans stem from their role in being the leaders of the insurgents that are fighting to overthrow the Empire. He doesn't appear to judge people just because they aren't human. He also gave her many chances to demonstrate her loyalty before she messed it up.
Archer: "I should shoot you for betraying me." T'Pol: "The orders giving you command of Enterprise were obviously fabricated. It was my duty as a Starfleet officer to help Captain Forrest regain control of his ship." Archer: "You swore your loyalty to me." T'Pol: "You should be aware Captain Forrest ordered me to kill you." Archer: "Why are you telling me this?" T'Pol: "Forrest is dead. His orders are no longer valid. You are my Commanding Officer." Archer:"I never had a problem with your people until they became a part of this rebellion."
Archer: "We"ll get rid of all the non-Terrans. - I"ll transfer them off Defiant," Hoshi: "- All of them?" Archer: "The rebels have spies everywhere. I can"t afford to have a single alien aboard my flagship." Hoshi: "I hope you"re not planning on getting sick anytime soon. In case you haven"t noticed your Doctor"s an alien." Archer: "I"ve got nothing against Phlox. His people aren"t rebels."
The Terran Empire will side with anyone if it serves their own interests. Mirror Sulu sided with the Klingons & Romulans against the Federation in Star Trek: Shattered Universe
when he and his crew got stuck in the prime universe. See also Star Trek: Succession. Discovery is the show that confused the matter. The Terrans have always been cruel and speciest but have never been on the same hate xeno level as something like The Imperium of Man. You can attribute the change in policies concerning aliens due to the Terran Empire's continuing change of emperors.
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The Terran Empire believed the best way to deal with the Klingons was to destroy Qo'noS. Siding with them? Highly unlikely, in my view.
Qo'noS wasn't destroyed. The population was destroyed only to be later repopulated with Terrans & Klingons. Would they want to side with the Klingons? Well... according to Kirsten Beyer they have done so already in the past. Leeta and the Empire have already made alliances with others so saying highly unlikely isn't at all accurate. More like a possibility.
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It is not a case of "one letter", it is a case of adding one line to every single ship that would use it in the database. That is a bit like taking a very, very, big spreadsheet and adding in a new line for every item block. It is not a trivial thing.
How did they manage it with the NX Ship Registry? Maybe it's a hassle to do it for every fed ship now. I wonder why they didn't just leave the U.S.S. as Prefix None. Would have saved them a lot of time in typing out their very, very, big spreadsheet.
They probably thought adding the NX registry would be popular enough to justify the man-hours to do it, or it may have even been in the system unused but ready to go (though that last one is doubtful). Either way, adding a new one like ISS, ChR, ECS, IKC, IRW, or any others people have requested takes time that could otherwise be used to chase down bugs or add new ships and other content that more people are more likely to use, and as they add more ships to the game that time gets even longer.
There is also the factor that the more lines a database has to go through for each query the more overhead it takes, which is not too bad with only a few users but can really bog things down with thousands of users driving a storm of queries. ESO seems to have fallen into that trap for instance and it is taking them a lot of time and effort to fix (in fact they had to cancel the current event due to load surges like that).
It is not a case of "one letter", it is a case of adding one line to every single ship that would use it in the database. That is a bit like taking a very, very, big spreadsheet and adding in a new line for every item block. It is not a trivial thing.
How did they manage it with the NX Ship Registry? Maybe it's a hassle to do it for every fed ship now. I wonder why they didn't just leave the U.S.S. as Prefix None. Would have saved them a lot of time in typing out their very, very, big spreadsheet.
They probably thought adding the NX registry would be popular enough to justify the man-hours to do it, or it may have even been in the system unused but ready to go (though that last one is doubtful). Either way, adding a new one like ISS, ChR, ECS, IKC, IRW, or any others people have requested takes time that could otherwise be used to chase down bugs or add new ships and other content that more people are more likely to use, and as they add more ships to the game that time gets even longer.
There is also the factor that the more lines a database has to go through for each query the more overhead it takes, which is not too bad with only a few users but can really bog things down with thousands of users driving a storm of queries. ESO seems to have fallen into that trap for instance and it is taking them a lot of time and effort to fix (in fact they had to cancel the current event due to load surges like that).
I don't think the team responsible for updating ship designs and art are the same people that look for and fix bugs. I understand it may take time if they're busy making new content/ships. Hopefully they will allow one dev to take some time to work on them as it's a popular request.
"Great men are not peacemakers, Great men are conquerors!" - Captain Archer" "When diplomacy fails, there's only one alternative - violence. Force must be applied without apology. It's the Starfleet way." - Captain Janeway #Support Mirror Universe I.S.S. Prefixes
It is not a case of "one letter", it is a case of adding one line to every single ship that would use it in the database. That is a bit like taking a very, very, big spreadsheet and adding in a new line for every item block. It is not a trivial thing.
How did they manage it with the NX Ship Registry? Maybe it's a hassle to do it for every fed ship now. I wonder why they didn't just leave the U.S.S. as Prefix None. Would have saved them a lot of time in typing out their very, very, big spreadsheet.
They probably thought adding the NX registry would be popular enough to justify the man-hours to do it, or it may have even been in the system unused but ready to go (though that last one is doubtful). Either way, adding a new one like ISS, ChR, ECS, IKC, IRW, or any others people have requested takes time that could otherwise be used to chase down bugs or add new ships and other content that more people are more likely to use, and as they add more ships to the game that time gets even longer.
There is also the factor that the more lines a database has to go through for each query the more overhead it takes, which is not too bad with only a few users but can really bog things down with thousands of users driving a storm of queries. ESO seems to have fallen into that trap for instance and it is taking them a lot of time and effort to fix (in fact they had to cancel the current event due to load surges like that).
I don't think the team responsible for updating ship designs and art are the same people that look for and fix bugs. I understand it may take time if they're busy making new content/ships. Hopefully they will allow one dev to take some time to work on them as it's a popular request.
The thing is the registry is not done by the art department or they would not be able to change the names and numbers at all (the text is not part of the skin artwork itself), it is done by whatever department handles the database programming, and they do chase down bugs (the database is one of the most complex and central things in a game like this and handles a lot more than just registry numbers and ship names and is just as prone to bugs as any other part of the program). Probably the only thing the art department does with the registration is place a marker, sort of like a blank decal, that defines where the ship's registry goes on the model. All the text comes from the database.
if I had to do the Terran Empire as faction, I'll make them another sub faction for feds like TOS and DSC starflleet, give them a starter story arc where they kill their prime universe counterpart, then have the empire send them to the prime universe as mole as well as give them special dialogue options when dealing with other terrans.
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Precisely, in both Universes the Klingons are on the opposite side regardless of morals, and the Terrans are, supposedly, extremely xenophobic, with other races kept as slaves and even live-stock. Why would the Terran Empire even bother to side with anyone? However, the whole DS9 mirror arc confuses the matter too, as one moment the Bajorans (Kira) are using the Terrans as slaves, and in STO a Bajoran (Leeta) is after becoming the Terran Emperor with Humans as her allies!!
Why? EvenIf if you were a 'good' Terran, you'd go to the Federation as they would be more forgiving, the KDF isn't known for accepting traitors, nevermind trusting them!
It is not a case of "one letter", it is a case of adding one line to every single ship that would use it in the database. That is a bit like taking a very, very, big spreadsheet and adding in a new line for every item block. It is not a trivial thing.
Siding with is simply a gameplay mechanic. It would be a way for them to fight against the Feds. Besides, what cunning Terran wouldn't want to use Klingon brutes for their own gain?
Well, asking for citations is a bit 'low-brow' for a video game, especially when multiple people are saying the same thing. Does he/she really expect people to review years upon years of Livestreams for a 10 second quotation!?
The only argument "lost" is the one in your head. The discussion ended and I would say @meimeitoo did a fine job at staying constructively argumentative at the end as they were the few that bothered to present any "FACTS" with a cool head.
If it was ever mentioned on a live stream I wasn't aware of it. That isn't a "CRIME" azrael605 I don't always have lot of time to watch all the1 hour weekly long streams like you clearly do. I have other priorities in life other than accepting whatever you post as factual and running around social boards looking for quotes you NEVER wanted to provide. I did ask for a link of the video and timestamp but if @baddmoonrizin says they said it then that is good enough for me. Thanks as always for being such a good sport about everything.
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There is nothing "low-brow" about asking people to cite their sources when they're going to write what someone they believe went on record of saying. Do you think citing sources of what people have said in the past isn't important because it's a video game? Absurd.
"especially when multiple people are saying the same thing." You mean somtaawkhar & baddmoonrizin. That is only after asking for sources not before like you imply.
"really expect people to review years upon years of Livestreams for a 10 second quotation!?"
I expect people to cite sources because it's a common practise, yes. GJ in over exaggerating it though. "years upon years" <chuckles>
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How did they manage it with the NX Ship Registry? Maybe it's a hassle to do it for every fed ship now. I wonder why they didn't just leave the U.S.S. as Prefix None. Would have saved them a lot of time in typing out their very, very, big spreadsheet.
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#Support Mirror Universe I.S.S. Prefixes
Yeah.... extremely xenophobic... Sure.
Xeno bridge crew:
Sure doesn't look extremely xenophobic to me. They shared power and resources with Non-Terrans. Look at both the ISS Enterprise and ISS Avenger diverse alien crews. In fact, the Avenger's bridge crew was at least half alien. You have someone like Archer after his mutiny he made T'Pol his first officer, even though Reed was next in line under the ship's chain of command. His hatred of Vulcans stem from their role in being the leaders of the insurgents that are fighting to overthrow the Empire. He doesn't appear to judge people just because they aren't human. He also gave her many chances to demonstrate her loyalty before she messed it up.
Archer: "I should shoot you for betraying me."
T'Pol: "The orders giving you command of Enterprise were obviously fabricated. It was my duty as a Starfleet officer to help Captain Forrest regain control of his ship."
Archer: "You swore your loyalty to me."
T'Pol: "You should be aware Captain Forrest ordered me to kill you."
Archer: "Why are you telling me this?"
T'Pol: "Forrest is dead. His orders are no longer valid. You are my Commanding Officer."
Archer: "I never had a problem with your people until they became a part of this rebellion."
Archer: "We"ll get rid of all the non-Terrans. - I"ll transfer them off Defiant,"
Hoshi: "- All of them?"
Archer: "The rebels have spies everywhere. I can"t afford to have a single alien aboard my flagship."
Hoshi: "I hope you"re not planning on getting sick anytime soon. In case you haven"t noticed your Doctor"s an alien."
Archer: "I"ve got nothing against Phlox. His people aren"t rebels."
The Terran Empire will side with anyone if it serves their own interests. Mirror Sulu sided with the Klingons & Romulans against the Federation in Star Trek: Shattered Universe
when he and his crew got stuck in the prime universe. See also Star Trek: Succession. Discovery is the show that confused the matter. The Terrans have always been cruel and speciest but have never been on the same hate xeno level as something like The Imperium of Man. You can attribute the change in policies concerning aliens due to the Terran Empire's continuing change of emperors.
"When diplomacy fails, there's only one alternative - violence. Force must be applied without apology. It's the Starfleet way." - Captain Janeway
#Support Mirror Universe I.S.S. Prefixes
"When diplomacy fails, there's only one alternative - violence. Force must be applied without apology. It's the Starfleet way." - Captain Janeway
#Support Mirror Universe I.S.S. Prefixes
Qo'noS wasn't destroyed. The population was destroyed only to be later repopulated with Terrans & Klingons. Would they want to side with the Klingons? Well... according to Kirsten Beyer they have done so already in the past. Leeta and the Empire have already made alliances with others so saying highly unlikely isn't at all accurate. More like a possibility.
"When diplomacy fails, there's only one alternative - violence. Force must be applied without apology. It's the Starfleet way." - Captain Janeway
#Support Mirror Universe I.S.S. Prefixes
They probably thought adding the NX registry would be popular enough to justify the man-hours to do it, or it may have even been in the system unused but ready to go (though that last one is doubtful). Either way, adding a new one like ISS, ChR, ECS, IKC, IRW, or any others people have requested takes time that could otherwise be used to chase down bugs or add new ships and other content that more people are more likely to use, and as they add more ships to the game that time gets even longer.
There is also the factor that the more lines a database has to go through for each query the more overhead it takes, which is not too bad with only a few users but can really bog things down with thousands of users driving a storm of queries. ESO seems to have fallen into that trap for instance and it is taking them a lot of time and effort to fix (in fact they had to cancel the current event due to load surges like that).
I don't think the team responsible for updating ship designs and art are the same people that look for and fix bugs. I understand it may take time if they're busy making new content/ships. Hopefully they will allow one dev to take some time to work on them as it's a popular request.
"When diplomacy fails, there's only one alternative - violence. Force must be applied without apology. It's the Starfleet way." - Captain Janeway
#Support Mirror Universe I.S.S. Prefixes
The thing is the registry is not done by the art department or they would not be able to change the names and numbers at all (the text is not part of the skin artwork itself), it is done by whatever department handles the database programming, and they do chase down bugs (the database is one of the most complex and central things in a game like this and handles a lot more than just registry numbers and ship names and is just as prone to bugs as any other part of the program). Probably the only thing the art department does with the registration is place a marker, sort of like a blank decal, that defines where the ship's registry goes on the model. All the text comes from the database.
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...THEN THE WINGED HUSSARS ARRIVED!