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How to make the Borg scarier in the new First Contact mission

mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,958 Arc User
in Star Trek Online General Discussion
When the Borg claim they have studied our tactics or something like that towards the end - some drone should pick up a propane tank and throw it at you. The tank doesn't have to do much damage against the player and his allies (heck, it could be a cut scene if those weren't annoying where everyone just sprints into cover) And afterwards, they beam all the remaining ones away (or something like that), or create an "redox-reaction-dampener" field that counters the tanks...
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  • trennantrennan Member Posts: 2,839 Arc User
    edited April 2020
    Make the borg the bad guy they used to be, not the target practice that they are. Now when I hear "We are borg." all I really hear is them saying, "We are bored, please shoot us."
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  • foxrockssocksfoxrockssocks Member Posts: 2,482 Arc User
    If they really wanted to adapt, they'd beam down with Kevlar vests.
  • trennantrennan Member Posts: 2,839 Arc User
    foxrockssocks wrote: »
    If they really wanted to adapt, they'd beam down with Kevlar vests.

    Full body armor, Thompson submachines, and in a tuxedo, "We have studied your tactics. Now we will go full gangster on you."
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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,231 Arc User
    trennan wrote: »
    foxrockssocks wrote: »
    If they really wanted to adapt, they'd beam down with Kevlar vests.
    Full body armor, Thompson submachines, and in a tuxedo, "We have studied your tactics. Now we will go full gangster on you."
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  • starswordcstarswordc Member Posts: 10,951 Arc User
    > @trennan said:
    > Make the borg the bad guy they used to be, not the target practice that they are. Now when I hear "We are borg." all I really hear is them saying, "We are bored, please shoot us."

    This, so much. The Borg have been ruined by overexposure pretty much since VGR.
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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,231 Arc User
    starswordc wrote: »
    > @trennan said:
    > Make the borg the bad guy they used to be, not the target practice that they are. Now when I hear "We are borg." all I really hear is them saying, "We are bored, please shoot us."

    This, so much. The Borg have been ruined by overexposure pretty much since VGR.
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  • szerontzurszerontzur Member Posts: 2,621 Arc User
    Honestly, playing through this patrol.. kind of makes we want for a 29th century borg invasion arc(along the lines of that one Voyager episode, but out of control).

    Alternatively, an assimilated Voth arc with borgified power armor/tactical drones with jetpacks(to rapidly close into melee) and assimilated animal weapon platforms(Triceratops with forward shield projectors and "spinal-mounted" autocannon).
  • oclosoclos Member Posts: 35 Arc User
    Since you want to get more scared by Borg(I wouldn't, but who am I to judge crazy people online who are not afraid enough by beings who can turn them to mindless zombies?), I would have to propose this: New Borg Equipment = Personal Ablative armor(impervious to projectiles as well as energy bolts), Instant Transport/Portal within a given radius(e.g. within 10m of their former position, including but not limited to behind their target and by target means you and your officers), Projectile nanoweapon(assimilates from a distance), Shroud technology mimicking(they can disappear from your eyes and "surprise" you from behind or any given advantage point they see fit), Causal Probability Shield(adapts after a single shot), Ship Wide Sikarian Trajector, TING! Transport(Transport in Numbers - Growing, Meaning transport en mass from their ship to yours at 2 per 1 ratio and doubling that with every failing wave), Technology Nullifier(adapted from Breen, shuts down every system in your ships based in energy allocation). Does that scare you enough?
    Adm. Necheyev didn't own ANY Starfleet ships. Starfleet did. Also she didn't make one bolt, connect a single wire, gelpack or device, or otherwise helped on making them. I find it presumptuous she claimed it was HER ships. In fact saying as much would probably warranty a reprimand from any of her superiors in Federation and possibly not participating in said actions as other superior personnel do, would in our days(2409 onwards) result in herself facing the same fate as what she has threatened, in that same penal colony.
  • trennantrennan Member Posts: 2,839 Arc User
    edited April 2020
    oclos wrote: »
    Since you want to get more scared by Borg(I wouldn't, but who am I to judge crazy people online who are not afraid enough by beings who can turn them to mindless zombies?), I would have to propose this: New Borg Equipment = Personal Ablative armor(impervious to projectiles as well as energy bolts), Instant Transport/Portal within a given radius(e.g. within 10m of their former position, including but not limited to behind their target and by target means you and your officers), Projectile nanoweapon(assimilates from a distance), Shroud technology mimicking(they can disappear from your eyes and "surprise" you from behind or any given advantage point they see fit), Causal Probability Shield(adapts after a single shot), Ship Wide Sikarian Trajector, TING! Transport(Transport in Numbers - Growing, Meaning transport en mass from their ship to yours at 2 per 1 ratio and doubling that with every failing wave), Technology Nullifier(adapted from Breen, shuts down every system in your ships based in energy allocation). Does that scare you enough?

    Not really. Since all of that would be a 3 -10 second buff, on a 20-60 second cool down. It would only make things take longer, not that that's a bad thing. Traits, Boff Skills, and certain gear makes the Technology Nullified, nullified. Seriously, one part of the Inconian gear, think the warp core or shield, cleans 1debuff every 10 seconds.

    Also, I believe the Miracle Work spec has an auto debuff cleanse.
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  • arliekkosarliekkos Member Posts: 199 Arc User
    Simply make them all repeatedly say "Kurland here."
  • trennantrennan Member Posts: 2,839 Arc User
    arliekkos wrote: »
    Simply make them all repeatedly say "Kurland here."

    Just for that...
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  • kenjilumkenjilum Member Posts: 7 Arc User
    > @starswordc said:
    > > @trennan said:
    > > Make the borg the bad guy they used to be, not the target practice that they are. Now when I hear "We are borg." all I really hear is them saying, "We are bored, please shoot us."
    >
    > This, so much. The Borg have been ruined by overexposure pretty much since VGR.

    Before you unlock reputations (and anti-borg weapons), their adaption rate to ranged weapons does make them quite an annoying foe.

    But to the OP's point, the only thing that really changes when the borg "study your tactics" is they send down a heavy tactical drone (champion) -- something that I always found lackluster.
  • trennantrennan Member Posts: 2,839 Arc User
    edited April 2020
    kenjilum wrote: »
    > @starswordc said:
    > > @trennan said:
    > > Make the borg the bad guy they used to be, not the target practice that they are. Now when I hear "We are borg." all I really hear is them saying, "We are bored, please shoot us."
    >
    > This, so much. The Borg have been ruined by overexposure pretty much since VGR.

    Before you unlock reputations (and anti-borg weapons), their adaption rate to ranged weapons does make them quite an annoying foe.

    But to the OP's point, the only thing that really changes when the borg "study your tactics" is they send down a heavy tactical drone (champion) -- something that I always found lackluster.

    Acutally for me I get an Elite.
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  • spiritbornspiritborn Member Posts: 3,613 Arc User
    Well it comes down to the fact that Borg "adaption" is oversold really badly they really only over adapt to the energy type and for all their talk of adapting to tactics they always use the exact same tactics (and not just in game, also in the TV series).

    That said there's 3 things that could make that patrol harder, first reduce the number of the tanks, second make the borg more resist to physical/kinetic damage across the board and third have them give the players a debuff that disables the remodulator (or similar abilities) forcing you to think more tactically about the situation.

    That said I'm impliment these things only to harder difficulties and leave normal difficulty as is, well apart from reducing the number of tanks you can shoot.
  • spielman1spielman1 Member Posts: 1,210 Arc User
    Issue is when the Borg was the threat they where back in the day before the old nerf bat went winging due to players that cried about it instead of learning to adapt to it, those Borg was the challenge they are suppose to be and was fun now I just do the mission just to get the bonus dilithium from it and move on with random mission selector.
    Big problem they have right now with anything in the game was back in the day most where made just as a shot sponge to make you take x amount of time to kill y target period. Even the current heads stated that now they are trying to change that to make things more dynamic and challenging so they added more ships to do the exact same thing be a big sponge of shot it.
    If they go to challenging players stop playing or the forums get filled with cry this or that issue again, make to soft and the same result for the other direction make it more challenging. They have to try and balance it out for a wide audience cause if they hold a player to a standard now days in games those cause all kind s of other issues so they are doing the best they can with what they have.
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