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donluining
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Hey people! So a simple question, Im used to the traditional MMO with the tanks and healers. Is STO this kind of game? Are healers needed at endgame?
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As for variations I'd say there are fast DPS ships, slow DPS ships, and science crowd control DPS ships. But no "support" build is really viable endgame.
Nope. Any career can be self-sufficient in DPS and Healing. Reverse Shield Polarity (Be sure to get hold of the Doff to increase up time for this skill) and Hazard Emitters Boff skills ensure longevity.
Well, not any more. Once upon a time it was. But that's has long since went the way of the dinosaur.
But that is just me.
They just get less sober.
> I would like to see it come back, it gives purpose, it gives comradery, brings people together in these somewhat lonely or less social times...
> But that is just me.
I do not play holy trinity games. I do not log into a game to wait 2-3 hours for a healer to join whos very likely to be a narcissist in disguise. I had enough of that in guild wars during the start of my college days. I won't go back when I have a 40 hour work week and half hour drive to and from work.
This is the year 2020. There are better ways to encourage team play than forced roles.
Thinking of ideas from lots of games for, dunno how long now.
You can do a setup with the traditional trinity type in mind but it's not needed. The most common you will see in this game is DPS and Tanks. So if anything this is more of a Holy Duo game than a traditional trinity setup. While dedicated healers can be done, DPS and Tanks can heal themselves pretty well.
No, no it's not, not even* close. There is more to tanking than purely DPS and just "healing itself longer". Also healing builds are possible, just not the most potent things ever. I really wish this "DPS is everything" mentality would disappear already.
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Unless they should return back to the original idea with classes and specifications for these.
I believe it would bring far more players in... then, I could be wrong there, of course.
With humans, one cannot guarantee anything at all. XD
I wonder how many would welcome back the more traditional approach from back in the days...
Then again, Engi or Sci are fun too if you're into that.
Having several slots, you can experiment around.
I suggest, actually, that you do that...
Who knows what you feel best with in the end.
They just get less sober.
You also have to remember that very high dps makes more difference only on higher health enemies. Not all tfos are made for dps records.
It really depends on how you setup your bridge officers and use them and how you pair any duty officers to the bridge off abilities.
Thinking of ideas from lots of games for, dunno how long now.
In space, ships and boff powers matter more than the captain types though captain type does get you a few extra powers to fit the type.
It is interesting how this is how the game is perceived/viewed. Literally watch in game chat in ESD, or Sector Space and when someone asks, they are told DPS is king, don't waste your time doing anything else. How would you change that?
Cirran
Edit: This is directed to darkbladejk, Not sure what happen when I quoted your post, tried to fix this and it just got worse. I am afraid to mess with it any more.
Now it probably won't be 100% effective, as there are some builds that literally melt everything in sight, but if something is established to help those who prefer a more traditional tank role, and also support that as well, I'm sure we'll see a shift away from "DPS or GTFO mah game" to more strategic thinking. Another issue is that the tank does need to be able to weather the firestorm as well, so an increase in resistances, heals, and maybe even defense capabilities.
On the other hand I already foresee people not using anything geared more towards tanking in favor of the DPS meta. The current thinking is "It cannot hurt you if it is already dead", which means pile on the DPS. And unfortunately... the current thinking actually works.
On average from a parser, if you can manage approx 10k DPS in Infected Advanced (give or take a bit) with an average team, you're good. Gear wise that would generally mean at least mk XII purple weapons and fill all your tac consoles with mk XII purple basic damage consoles that match your energy type. From there its down to what BOff abilities you use and how you fly. But the basics are the weapons and damage booster consoles. Optimally you'd want damage Locator consoles from a Fleet Spire, but it can be done with basic damage consoles.
Word is that Cryptic does want to set up a system you can go to for build testing. However it has been a while since we heard anything about it.
Are you saying the impression is correct and that can not be changed? My question to darkbladejk was how do you change that?
Cirran
Nope - the "Trinity" is dead in STO. There's very little content that even really requires coordination to successfully complete. The MMO is probably the most casual MMO in tears of high end endgame. Yes, there are peope measuring their Epeens that can do bettween 100K to 300K DPS <--- But that's overkill for 99% of the content in STO.
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With the arrival of T6 ships, there are now many, many ships that are both offensively strong while still being quite sturdy.
You can see this with the Galaxy. The T5 version was quite weak offensively with a poor amount of Tactical BOFF slots, but it had a high amount of Engineering BOFF capability.
When the T6 Galaxy came out, it got a LtCmdr TAC station and now all the sudden it can do damage more easily.
Lots of T5 Escorts were lucky if they got a Lt ENG station. At T6, LtCmdr ENG is a given for Escorts.
If you and some friends set your ships up for those roles, I'd guess it can make an effective team. Some do tank builds in STO effectively. But mostly it's "kill em fast and they can't hurt you" type of thing.
The more common distinction is HOW you want to kill things? Beams? Torps? Sci-build? Hell, Timberwolf just did a 200k Minefield build. His buddy runs a tank build so he can DPS w/o worrying about being blown up.
'never a dull moment when you're a Wrecker!'- wrecker motto
I addressed this in a different, now locked, post.
DPS hardcap could fix this without touching anything other such as skills, defence, you name it.
Basically you add an ingame "reversed cheat" that addresses a specific address and tunes that value down.
It's dead easy to accomplish.
Sadly, folks will go apeshit if you do this...
And no, I TOO will have to give in plenty if they did this, BUT I can distance myself from this.
The need of many outweighs (in this case) the needs of the game.
And I for one would gladly sacrifice for the greater good....
They just get less sober.
You don't need to DPS cap ANYTHING! The issue is, the game has been dumbed down that much that anyone can handle it. There used to be PvE missions that required more than 15 minutes of your time, but some complained it was too long for them. There used to be challenging enemies, but some complained it took to long to defeat them. Even with some missions having puzzles, some people still complained they couldn't figure it out. The game is nothing more than a theme-park in space at the moment.
The 'trinity', however isn't required, and not really supported in canon either. Both Picard and Janeway were Science-focused and Janeway even had a great grasp of engineering; but both were excellent tacticians!
Nowadays there's less need for a tank as power creep has run rampant and other than the occasional new gimmick all the space content is just a generic mindless phaser fest. For example, the hurq being butt-nibblers annoyed the more mindless of the pewpewers because they avoided a frontal arc but were actually only dangerous when they blew up en masse inside your ship due to hitboxes being wonky.
They're not needed, but STO has a wide variety of items, traits, skills that allow you to build your ship any way you want.
Most of the game's newer content is time-gated, where enemies will simply keep appearing for a given amount of time until the next phase of the mission starts.
While most of those enemies will be killed very fast by many players you will encounter, the fact that them shooting stuff faster does not complete the mission faster, means that you can basically fly any type of ship you want and still contribute in some way.
[3/25 10:41][Combat (Self)]Your Haymaker deals 26187 (10692) Physical Damage(Critical) to Orinoco.
That is, thus, simply not true in most of the game's more recently released content. DPS will not get you anywhere in terms of completing the content faster in those missions.
Check the current state of the game before giving advice please, the game has evolved beyond only ISA/ISE and things that might have been true a couple of months/years ago and even then in only a part of the missions, no longer are.
Besides, you don't want to know how often I encounter players dealing large amounts of DPS (and I have no trouble killing stuff on my own so I'm really talking about the more powerful players here) who seem to have close to zero survivability.
If the OP wants to fly a tank or a healer, that is a viable strategy. There's more than only DPS.
[3/25 10:41][Combat (Self)]Your Haymaker deals 26187 (10692) Physical Damage(Critical) to Orinoco.
Perfectly put.
Unfortunately, at the moment, while you can absolutely build your ship to be a tank or a healer, there's basically no need for it - unless you go for some elite queues.
Not to mention, for tanks specifically as @rattler2 said, the higher DPS will generate more aggro, therefore a tank must be able to compete with that DPS to keep the enemy fixed on themselves.
A possible solution would be to actually put in tactics that needs to be followed and cannot be circumvented by pure DPS alone.
That'd force people to actually think about what they're doing instead of just going in trashing everything.
But until that change comes, and comes in a meaningful way, I'm afraid DPS will always be regarded as the only viable way of doing things.
Ci sono tre tipi di giocatori:
- quelli a cui non va mai bene niente... e vanno sul forum a trollare;
- quelli che sono talmente imbesuiti da credere a qualunque cosa i dev dicano, perfino che la luna è fatta di formaggio... e vanno sul forum a trollare;
- quelli che credono a quello a cui è giusto credere, sono d'accordo con quello con cui è giusto essere d'accordo e sono critici con quello che non va;
Ai giocatori dei primi due tipi, gratis in omaggio un bello specchio lucente su cui arrampicarsi. E una mazzata in testa per la loro poca intelligenza e compassione verso gli altri giocatori che non la pensano come loro.
Agli appartenenti al terzo tipo, invece, dico grazie. Anche se non sempre si riesce a mantenere la calma, siete quelli per cui vale la pena incazzarsi.
I was not saying this should be done, merely that it CAN be done, and that IF it were to be done, I too had to give in.
So, no need for anger or frustration, is it.
Might be a good thing to READ before REACTING.
Just pointing out what should be obvious.
They just get less sober.
How fun is this: enter zone, FaW, FaW, all dead, mission ends.
God...
They just get less sober.