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So from now on Events reward you with less Dillithium?

Instead of 50k you get 25k for completion of the Event and then you 8000 with a 1000 increase per day after completion insead of 2.5k with a 2.5k increase. So somebody thought it was necessary to point out that if you do that 42 times you get rewarded 50k dillithium however I have never seen an event what went longer then 21 days + 1 or 2 TRIBBLE up days.

Is that trying to fix the dillithium exchange?
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    phoenix841phoenix841 Member Posts: 486 Arc User
    Ugh, more events and less rewards.
    But hey, we get can get lobi this time.
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    doctorstegidoctorstegi Member Posts: 1,189 Arc User
    phoenix841 wrote: »
    Ugh, more events and less rewards.
    But hey, we get can get lobi this time.

    That sure is a plus for somebody like me who has all the Zen Store ships.

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    davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,512 Arc User
    Is that trying to fix the dillithium exchange?

    Probably. It's way too easy to get 3+ days of 20,000 dil per day during the 21-day events.
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    jennycolvinjennycolvin Member Posts: 1,100 Arc User
    edited February 2020
    Math is not an opinion.
    25.000 from the event + 7 days with this new rewards amount to a hefty 102.000 dilithium ore - of course, you have to go for the full 21 days.

    Compared to the 50.000 from the event + 17.500 dilithium from the 7 bonus day, that's an increase not a decrease.​​
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    crypticarmsmancrypticarmsman Member Posts: 4,113 Arc User
    Well, I do like that the event gives an option for 1000 Lobi (Basically a free Lobi ship) as before the only way to really get a lot of Lobi was via opening Gambleboxes - which I don't do.

    Although I sure that particular change will upset those who routinely put Lobi ships on the Exchange for high EC prices. May cause the Exchange EC prices for some of the more popular Lobi ships to drop a bit in the long run.
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    foppotee#4552 foppotee Member Posts: 1,704 Arc User
    I do like the idea of Cryptic trying to battle in-game inflation since it seems to be getting worse, battling any in-game "farmers", & yadda yadda, but I do fear Cryptic's broad strokes approach is going to maybe cause too much in-game friendly fire towards casual players. That is the careful balance I suppose that has to be constantly monitored & maintained if it is even a concern.

    Usually more options is good for players though imo so a Lobi alternative could be a real boon for players, but then I remember most Lobi items are restricted to character bound so poo on that.
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    mikadzukichimikadzukichi Member Posts: 16 Arc User
    If I did not make any mistakes, they screwed us big time with the dili rewards... Allthough on the first view it seem we will get more dili but if you do the math you will see that we will get less instead..!

    --Days___________ 1 ______ 2 ______ 3 ________ 4 _______ 5 ________ 6 ________ 7 _______ 8 _________ total
    --Dili [OLD] ___ 2,500 __ 5,000 __ 7,500 __ 10,000 __ 12,500 __ 15,000 __ 17,500 __ 20,000 ____ 90,000
    --Dili [NEW] ___ 8,000 __ 9,000 __10,000__ 11,000 __ 12,000 __ 13,000 __ 14,000 __ 15,000 ____ 92,000


    --Days___________ 9 _______ 10 ______ 12 _______ 13 ______ 14 ________ total
    --Dili [OLD] ___ 22,500 __ 25,000 __ 27,500 __ 30,000 __ 32,500 ____ 227,500
    --Dili [NEW] ___ 16,000 __ 17,000 __ 18,000 __ 19,000 __ 20,000 ____ 182,000


    P.s.:

    If I made some mistakes please correct me ;) ..!



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    crypticarmsmancrypticarmsman Member Posts: 4,113 Arc User
    If I did not make any mistakes, they screwed us big time with the dili rewards... Allthough on the first view it seem we will get more dili but if you do the math you will see that we will get less instead..!

    --Days___________ 1 ______ 2 ______ 3 ________ 4 _______ 5 ________ 6 ________ 7 _______ 8 _________ total
    --Dili [OLD] ___ 2,500 __ 5,000 __ 7,500 __ 10,000 __ 12,500 __ 15,000 __ 17,500 __ 20,000 ____ 90,000
    --Dili [NEW] ___ 8,000 __ 9,000 __10,000__ 11,000 __ 12,000 __ 13,000 __ 14,000 __ 15,000 ____ 92,000


    --Days___________ 9 _______ 10 ______ 12 _______ 13 ______ 14 ________ total
    --Dili [OLD] ___ 22,500 __ 25,000 __ 27,500 __ 30,000 __ 32,500 ____ 227,500
    --Dili [NEW] ___ 16,000 __ 17,000 __ 18,000 __ 19,000 __ 20,000 ____ 182,000


    P.s.:

    If I made some mistakes please correct me ;) ..!



    If the above is accurate, it appears they're trying to even out and 'normalize' the rewards front to back. In the previous system, you didn't start seeing the HUGE rewards until the end. They seem (in addition to lowering the overall rewards by 50K Dil, give or take) to want to get rid of having the big rewards just given at the tail end.
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    foxrockssocksfoxrockssocks Member Posts: 2,482 Arc User
    I'm really confused on why they have bonus days potentially uncapped. They specifically list a 42 day reward, which is nonsensical as no events last that long, except maybe summer/winter and only then would you get that if you did a buyout.

    I have to wonder if this isn't a continuous bonus that carries over through an event campaign if not all events? Play our events, always, every day and eventually rack up massive dilithium bonuses! It need clarification.
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    gaevsmangaevsman Member Posts: 3,190 Arc User
    edited February 2020
    Math is not an opinion.
    25.000 from the event + 7 days with this new rewards amount to a hefty 102.000 dilithium ore - of course, you have to go for the full 21 days.

    Compared to the 50.000 from the event + 17.500 dilithium from the 7 bonus day, that's an increase not a decrease.​​

    ^This!, also, from the few last events, has been changed to 25.000 so its not a nerf, they increased the daily, as the first day was 2500!
    If I did not make any mistakes, they screwed us big time with the dili rewards... Allthough on the first view it seem we will get more dili but if you do the math you will see that we will get less instead..!

    --Days___________ 1 ______ 2 ______ 3 ________ 4 _______ 5 ________ 6 ________ 7 _______ 8 _________ total
    --Dili [OLD] ___ 2,500 __ 5,000 __ 7,500 __ 10,000 __ 12,500 __ 15,000 __ 17,500 __ 20,000 ____ 90,000
    --Dili [NEW] ___ 8,000 __ 9,000 __10,000__ 11,000 __ 12,000 __ 13,000 __ 14,000 __ 15,000 ____ 92,000


    --Days___________ 9 _______ 10 ______ 12 _______ 13 ______ 14 ________ total
    --Dili [OLD] ___ 22,500 __ 25,000 __ 27,500 __ 30,000 __ 32,500 ____ 227,500
    --Dili [NEW] ___ 16,000 __ 17,000 __ 18,000 __ 19,000 __ 20,000 ____ 182,000


    P.s.:

    If I made some mistakes please correct me ;) ..!
    You made one major mistake. In the current system, the dil rewards max out at 25,000. You can't get 27,500, 30,000, or 32,500, from event rewards. All of those days would be 25,000. So the max you can get in the current system is 212,500, not 227,500, if I did that subtraction correctly. Still a reduction, but not as big of a reduction as your original figures implied.
    Another problem I just thought of.

    Most events only last 21 days, with 14 of those days being needed to get the prize. Leaving us with only 7 bonus days. At that rate, the max for each system would be
    [OLD] - 70,000 dil
    [NEW] - 77,000 dil

    A marked increase.

    Yes!, thats true, the good thing is that you get more dill the first days, thats quite pratical for me
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    phoenix841phoenix841 Member Posts: 486 Arc User
    edited February 2020
    I still have about a year or two's worth of old legacy tokens.
    With the old tokens, it's a huge decrease, about 13-15% in fact (depending on day 1 buyout).

    With day-1 buyout, and playing for 21 days:
    		(2 for day-1 buyout)
    Old	New	Old 	New
    50000	25000	52500	33000
    2500	8000	5000	9000
    5000	9000	7500	10000
    7500	10000	10000	11000
    10000	11000	12500	12000
    12500	12000	15000	13000
    15000	13000	17500	14000
    17500	14000	20000	15000
    20000	15000	22500	16000
    22500	16000	25000	17000
    25000	17000	25000	18000
    25000	18000	25000	19000
    25000	19000	25000	20000
    25000	20000	25000	21000
    25000	21000	25000	22000
    25000	22000	25000	23000
    25000	23000	25000	24000
    25000	24000	25000	25000
    25000	25000	25000	26000
    25000	26000	25000	27000
    25000	27000	25000	28000
    437500	375000	462500	403000
    
    The first two columns are for day one buyout, but not playing again for the bonus that day (why?). The second two columns are for a day-1 buyout, plus earning the extra dil that day.
    This is still for 21 days, you lose even more dil if you manage to squeeze in an extra day using the 20h cooldown.

    Buyout's aren't just for legacy tokens though, you could still spend Zen to buyout. Either way, you lose.
    It would take 29 days to actually cross the threshold where you actually get more.
    At 29 days, the sums of the 4 columns are:
    637500	627000	662500	663000
    
    Too bad that's not possible.

    I was really hoping Cryptic would skip an event this month, I have a final project to do for school and I really need the time. Thankfully I have the legacy tokens, and this is the perfect event to use these on. No sense in wasting my time for less rewards. I'll just do day-1 buyout, then run it once to get the 8k bonus. Then that's it.
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    drunkflux#5679 drunkflux Member Posts: 215 Arc User
    Its more a combination of rewarding players who do this normally. I doubt there were many whales who did the event every day after a day 1 buyout. They made the purchase to skip the event.

    I think its an ok change. It'll mean more when its an event where you have more than an extra week.

    Maybe a small nerf, or may not really be a nerf for most people. It boils down to practicality of running a large number of repeat runs when your already exhausted of running the event every single day.


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    radonneradonne Member Posts: 32 Arc User
    phoenix841 wrote: »
    I still have about a year or two's worth of old legacy tokens.
    With the old tokens, it's a huge decrease, about 13-15% in fact (depending on day 1 buyout).

    With day-1 buyout, and playing for 21 days:
    		(2 for day-1 buyout)
    Old	New	Old 	New
    50000	25000	52500	33000
    2500	8000	5000	9000
    5000	9000	7500	10000
    7500	10000	10000	11000
    10000	11000	12500	12000
    12500	12000	15000	13000
    15000	13000	17500	14000
    17500	14000	20000	15000
    20000	15000	22500	16000
    22500	16000	25000	17000
    25000	17000	25000	18000
    25000	18000	25000	19000
    25000	19000	25000	20000
    25000	20000	25000	21000
    25000	21000	25000	22000
    25000	22000	25000	23000
    25000	23000	25000	24000
    25000	24000	25000	25000
    25000	25000	25000	26000
    25000	26000	25000	27000
    25000	27000	25000	28000
    437500	375000	462500	403000
    
    The first two columns are for day one buyout, but not playing again for the bonus that day (why?). The second two columns are for a day-1 buyout, plus earning the extra dil that day.
    This is still for 21 days, you lose even more dil if you manage to squeeze in an extra day using the 20h cooldown.

    Buyout's aren't just for legacy tokens though, you could still spend Zen to buyout. Either way, you lose.
    It would take 29 days to actually cross the threshold where you actually get more.
    At 29 days, the sums of the 4 columns are:
    637500	627000	662500	663000
    
    Too bad that's not possible.

    I was really hoping Cryptic would skip an event this month, I have a final project to do for school and I really need the time. Thankfully I have the legacy tokens, and this is the perfect event to use these on. No sense in wasting my time for less rewards. I'll just do day-1 buyout, then run it once to get the 8k bonus. Then that's it.

    This seems to be correct. Between the reduced lump sum for completing the Event and the slower rate of increase, the new setup seems to decrease to total Dilithium payout until well after the offer is over.

    Fairly consistent with the way they've been trying to wring more monetization from the game, but no less disappointing.

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    ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,569 Arc User
    edited February 2020
    The figures for a 21 day Event under the old (up to today) Dilitium payout was

    140,000 - 462,500.

    That assumes 21 days. The first figure is if you had to run all 14 days of the 21 for the Event leaving 7 Bonus days. The second figure is if you used 14 Featured Commendation Tokens up front and had all 21 days of Bonus. The Event Payout of 50,000 Dilitium is included in the figures.

    With the system being implementeded tomorrow, using those same calculations, the amounts are

    117,000 - 403,900

    This uses the 25,000 Event payout figure. I have not factored in people staying up to all hours of the night to get an extra day or so in.

    What puzzles me is the new scale tapping out at 42+ days. That makes absolutely no sense unless the Summer and Winter Events will be included in this new system and go back to their old extended schedules.

    EDIT: Corrected the figures upwards for the low end by 20,000 for the old low end and 15,000 for the new low end. There is an overlap day when you complete the Main Project as you can run the Bonus that day as well.
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    edrickvellorinedrickvellorin Member Posts: 346 Arc User
    ltminns wrote: »
    What puzzles me is the new scale tapping out at 42+ days. That makes absolutely no sense unless the Summer and Winter Events will be included in this new system and go back to their old extended schedules.

    Setting a really high cap that you won't be able to get to in this event means one less change to make if at some point they do a longer event. (Whether they will do a long event or not, they may not even know yet.) For people not using a buyout, I consider this an overall benefit since it now starts at 8k per day, which of course is the normal refine limit.
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    tigerariestigeraries Member Posts: 3,492 Arc User
    edited February 2020
    once you finish event you get dil by running the daily event again, use to be you get 2.5k dil and it keeps adding an addtional 2.5k each day with a cap of 25k... so 10 days or so.

    next event will start at 8k for 1st day and add an additional 1k there after... cap is at 50k now but you need to run it 42 days to hit cap... events run only 21 days or so... that's not counting the days you need to event for the regular normal prize.

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    lexusk19lexusk19 Member Posts: 1,407 Arc User
    Your surprised by this? lol Its Cryptic your talking about.
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    darkbladejkdarkbladejk Member Posts: 3,715 Community Moderator
    let's try to keep this contained to one area for convenience of everyone.
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    tigerariestigeraries Member Posts: 3,492 Arc User
    I dont know why you are counting the dil you get from completing the event project... that is for the event project. This is about the after event bonus dil for re-runing the event, counting the event project dil is just to pad your numbers... apples to apples folks.
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    ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,569 Arc User
    edited February 2020
    It is a different constant for old and new and affects the total payout for the Featured Event old and new.
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    phoenix841phoenix841 Member Posts: 486 Arc User
    tigeraries wrote: »
    I dont know why you are counting the dil you get from completing the event project... that is for the event project. This is about the after event bonus dil for re-runing the event, counting the event project dil is just to pad your numbers... apples to apples folks.

    The event amount has changed, so if you don't include it, the data is wrong. This is about a comparison of the entire dilithium payout.
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    anodynesanodynes Member Posts: 1,999 Arc User
    Math is not an opinion.
    25.000 from the event + 7 days with this new rewards amount to a hefty 102.000 dilithium ore - of course, you have to go for the full 21 days.

    Compared to the 50.000 from the event + 17.500 dilithium from the 7 bonus day, that's an increase not a decrease.​​

    While math isn't an opinion, it can be wrong if you use the wrong numbers. Condensing what others pointed out already.

    25,000 for the event + 7 bonus days under the new system does give you 102,000 total.

    50,000 for the event +7 bonus days under the old system gave you 120,000 total.

    Old bonus started at 2,500 and added 2,500 per day to that 2,500 until you got to 25,000, it wasn't just 2,500 per day flat rate, which is probably how you got a total of 17,500 for 7 bonus days.
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    foppotee#4552 foppotee Member Posts: 1,704 Arc User
    edited February 2020
    SO FROM NOW ON EVENTS REWARD YOU WITH LESS DILLITHIUM?

    For the majority of math enthusiasts out there crunching the numbers & showing their work, first: thank you & second: yes, it does seem we players will be earning less dilithium from now on in events if we continue to perform the events after completion of an event's main goal & altogether.

    At least we can still earn some dilthium from Admiralty, oh wait, too soon?
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    tribbulatertribbulater Member Posts: 292 Arc User
    "Cryptic is not giving me as much free Dil as they used to. This is a ripoff and is just part of the way Cryptic is trying to squeeze us for more money."

    I dunno, am I the only one who sees the contradiction here? I mean, this isn't even "glass half empty" ruminations, this is "the glass isn't brim-full, with glazed cherries floating in it... I am disappoint." range.

    Personally I've never experienced another game that gives away as much free stuff and game currency as Cryptic, doesn't limit your account based on F2P status, and allows you to exchange the game currency for the cash store currency. Maybe it's time to count your blessing and not bean-count small changes in participation rewards.
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    foppotee#4552 foppotee Member Posts: 1,704 Arc User
    "Cryptic is not giving me as much free Dil as they used to. This is a ripoff and is just part of the way Cryptic is trying to squeeze us for more money."

    I dunno, am I the only one who sees the contradiction here? I mean, this isn't even "glass half empty" ruminations, this is "the glass isn't brim-full, with glazed cherries floating in it... I am disappoint." range.

    Personally I've never experienced another game that gives away as much free stuff and game currency as Cryptic, doesn't limit your account based on F2P status, and allows you to exchange the game currency for the cash store currency. Maybe it's time to count your blessing and not bean-count small changes in participation rewards.

    While I agree STO can be a generous game. I'm calling you out on, "doesn't limit your account based on F2P status". Try to be truthful because your opinion does have some merit without false statements. Whether or not I, you, or any player decides to participate is probably based-on a self-calculation about is the effort worth the reward so I'll bean-count my own thank you very much just as I'm sure you do as well.

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    tigerariestigeraries Member Posts: 3,492 Arc User
    anodynes wrote: »
    Math is not an opinion.
    25.000 from the event + 7 days with this new rewards amount to a hefty 102.000 dilithium ore - of course, you have to go for the full 21 days.

    Compared to the 50.000 from the event + 17.500 dilithium from the 7 bonus day, that's an increase not a decrease.​​

    While math isn't an opinion, it can be wrong if you use the wrong numbers. Condensing what others pointed out already.

    25,000 for the event + 7 bonus days under the new system does give you 102,000 total.

    50,000 for the event +7 bonus days under the old system gave you 120,000 total.

    Old bonus started at 2,500 and added 2,500 per day to that 2,500 until you got to 25,000, it wasn't just 2,500 per day flat rate, which is probably how you got a total of 17,500 for 7 bonus days.


    Um the upcoming event with the bot reward gives out 25k dil... Think folks are confusing the max payout possible on bonus days...

    Repeat: the upcoming Bot event payout is 25K with a bonus of 50K if you run it 42 days (impossible for this event).

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    tribbulatertribbulater Member Posts: 292 Arc User
    edited February 2020
    "Cryptic is not giving me as much free Dil as they used to. This is a ripoff and is just part of the way Cryptic is trying to squeeze us for more money."

    I dunno, am I the only one who sees the contradiction here? I mean, this isn't even "glass half empty" ruminations, this is "the glass isn't brim-full, with glazed cherries floating in it... I am disappoint." range.

    Personally I've never experienced another game that gives away as much free stuff and game currency as Cryptic, doesn't limit your account based on F2P status, and allows you to exchange the game currency for the cash store currency. Maybe it's time to count your blessing and not bean-count small changes in participation rewards.

    While I agree STO can be a generous game. I'm calling you out on, "doesn't limit your account based on F2P status". Try to be truthful because your opinion does have some merit without false statements. Whether or not I, you, or any player decides to participate is probably based-on a self-calculation about is the effort worth the reward so I'll bean-count my own thank you very much just as I'm sure you do as well.

    If you've got a limitation in mind, feel free to toss it out here. I've got a free account and a life sub. There's nothing I can do on my life sub that I can't do on my free account.

    Unless you're somehow describing "everything in the game isn't free" as "limiting your account". Even then, there is nothing I've seen in-game that I can't grind some Dil for, exchange for Zen, and obtain for my free account.

    There is a difference between "you're a free account so you cannot do X" (a limitation) and "there are things in the game that need to be purchased if you want access to them" (an optional purchase).
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