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New T'lis skin maybe? (STP minor spoilers)
captainbrian11
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So much like how discovery gave us a moderninized take on the Conny and D7, we've gotten the T'liss in episode 4 of Star trek Picard. any chance we can get a skin based off it in STO? it looks pretty awesome
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True, it depends on the scale, if it's not at the same scale as the originals, then no, new ship, but no interchangeable parts...
Discovery also took place about 10 years before Kirk ran into the first BoP in TOS, and they made a point to avoid anything Romulan in Discovery because of that.
I also want the La Sirena, of course. Going by the episode... Okay, technically it probably doesn't deserve Tier 6, it's struggling to fight a 23rd century ship, but given its maneuverability - Tier 6 Pilot Escort. And giving all the Holograms aboard.. I suggest a new trait for Photonic Officer. Maybe: "Activating Photonic Officer grants you a bonus to inertia and turn rate, and a bonus to critical hit severity."
And you would be correct. The T'Liss as we know it was shown years before Kirk as it was shown in Season 2 Episode 9 of Enterprise (Minefield.)
This class of Warbird goes all the way back to the NX days, so it's absolutely certain they existed during Discovery.
And for the record, Balance of Terror was not the first time the Federation had seen a Romulan Warbird, it was the first time the Federation had seen an actual Romulan.
That was not a T'liss. That was a T'varo. Probably the precursor to the T'liss. I can believe that the T'liss existed before Balance of Terror. Probably as standard ships rather than the prototype that had the Plasma Torpedo.
Well... a civilian ship with civilian grade weapons vs a military ship with military grade weapons. While the Romulan ship may have been old, the weapons and defenses were probably retrofit upgrades in order to compete with combat ships of the era.
Slap some late 24th century tech on a Connie, and that Connie will be more than capable of holding its own against a modern ship. Looks can be decieving after all.
I completely agree. Always found that odd.
It was neither, they were both 'Romulan Bird of Prey.' The names were put into STO later to differentiate different tiered ships. They look different for the same reason that the Enterprise looks different now then it did in the 60's, better budget. The ship shown later in TOS is obviously more primitive looking, but they're both just 'Romulan Birds of Prey.'
The question was rather or not the ship was around during Discovery, and obviously the answer is yes.
pilot/command warbird raider or intel/command warbird raider.... Is my thought if it goes in a legendary pack.
We need a Romulan Miracle Worker Flight Deck ship at some point.. the 'Bird of Prey' variant is less then ideal for that since it's not a carrier.. but neither is the D7.
the ship is noted to be an "old bird of prey" that has been pushed back into use (in this case by a criminal) so yeah the intent is VERY clear that this is an old TOS era Bird of Prey
Maybe the Breen use something similar, which is why no one knows what they look like under their cold suites (despite Major Kira actually having knocked out some Breen and taken their armor, IIRC.)
Reminds me a bit of the Chigs from Space: Above and Beyond.
Its really unrealistic to assume that it is the same exact class as what was scene in Enterprise. Also... in STO, the T'varo is the same tier as the T'liss at T1. You might be thinking the T6 Malem. Budget doesn't mean anything honestly. They're different classes, but in the same design family. If the T'varo had shown up in TNG or even Nemesis it wouldn't look out of place due to the design. Hell... there could be an argument that the Pre-Refit Connie and post Refit Connie might be considered different classes because almost nothing of the original design remained after refit. But that's getting into hair splitting detail and not relavent.
Fact of the matter is we got a new looking T'liss, and it would be cool to see in STO.
the tos looks more advanced to me, it's smooth as glass, no greebles, no kibble, and so on. Less is more to me, the TOS look always looked more advanced than the latter stuff (or the NX era stuff....the TOS connie looked far more impressive and advanced than the NX). Look anything but primitive to me.
As possible as this is, there's got to be limitations. Would a 23rd Century Constitution be able to handle the power output of 24th or 25th Century weapons?
You can't exactly go and outfit (or retrofit) a Battleship of the 1940's with technology of a Destroyer from 2020, and that's only 80 years. I'm intrigued where they're going to go with Discovery in this context too, cause that ship is now some 900 years ahead of itself, so any ship it comes across (should) have a significant technological advantage.
Discovery was launched (or at least active) in the late 2250's. If you consider that a Cardassian Galor, or Klingon Vor'cha which were active in the 2360's, they're already a century ahead, technologically, and Season 3 of Discovery is taking place in the 32nd Century. They might as well just ditch their shields and paint a target on their hull, cause they're going to be easy pickings for sure.
I find it stranger that it seemingly took the Vulcans as long as it did to put their hands up and admit "yeah, they're out violate cousins".
I figure any ID'd Romulan prior to Balance of Terror wouldn't been Section 31'd; in the sense that they'd have ensured (maybe even liaised with the Tal Shiar) that the Romulan appearance and identity not be made public to Federation crews, and any crew that had happened to come across a Romulan (dead or alive) was under orders not to speak of it.
Could Kira not have just found a spare suit lying around somewhere?
Thought this was covered already but..
I said 'that class of warbird' was seen back in the NX days.. not 'that exact warbird.'
It's not EXACTLY the same, it's an earlier version.. because ya know.. it was years earlier. Thought that was clear, but apparently not. Again, the question was rather the Romulan Warbird existed in the Discovery Age and it did.
One class of Warbird isn't the same as another class of Warbird; they're two very different ships. The only thing connecting them is their Bird of Prey label and vague design similarities.
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Without upgrading her systems? Probably not. The power output of a 24th Century Phaser Array is probably greater and more refined than the mid 23rd Century. However look at how Scotty was able to interface a Romulan Cloaking Device into the Enterprise. Foreign technology that shouldn't be compatable. And it worked. Yea he was worried it would blow them up, but Federation Technology is nothing if not adaptable and durable.
Discovery may be in the far future, but they still have the capability of developing either retrofits or even full on upgrades. And don't forget that Discovery was at the cutting edge for her time, and a science vessel on top of that. Fully capable of data analysis and computational capability. And that's not taking into consideration the Sphere Data they have in their computer. Her shields may not be able to hold up against a 32nd Century phaser array via normal brute force defense, but maybe rotate the shield harmonics, and it provides just as much protection as a 32nd Century shield system. Basically the difference between a flat slab of armor vs angled armor. Same thickness, but strike it at an angle and you got more material to chew through for the same amount of said material as the flat slab.
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