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  • poddlipoddli Member Posts: 172 Arc User
    Surprise mechanics in general are under threat right now. The game will not survive the loss of that revenue stream if the EU decides to restrict lootboxes. It's an expensive pack, the most expensive so far I think. The price doesn't bother me though, Cryptic needs to make a profit and some players WILL open their wallets for this pack. Especially if the rumour of Connie classes is correct. The question remains, will enough players buy this?

    I very probably will. I cashed in my Dil a few weeks ago and ended up with 29k Zen. I don't think it will strain me to cash in some more for the extra 300 required.
  • avoozuulavoozuul Member Posts: 3,038 Arc User
    edited January 2020
    How exactly are re-releases of ships we already have "starships we've been waiting for"? I thought it was only going to be ships which weren't yet in the game.
  • lordgyorlordgyor Member Posts: 2,818 Arc User
    edited January 2020
    > @doctorstegi said:
    > I don't like how they do things even if there should be new ships in the bundle. I m suppose to pay for the same ships I already paid twice for. Remember they used to be T5 then T6 and now modified T6 WTF? How many times do you want to be paid for the same ship. Then the price on top of that is a joke even at 20.000 zen. Good luck finding people who are willing to spend so much money on virtual goods with uncertain time of ownership.
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    > So far this whole 10 year anniversary is a big disappointment. I hope they sell this ships individual cause I'm not buying the same ship for the 3rd or even 4th time if we talk about the T4 Versions.
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    > I don't think i waited for a ship which is already been out since years. So where are the ships we are waiting for? Vo'Quv T6, Nova T6, Luna T6, Oberth T6, Steamrunner T6, Constellation T6 ect....

    Very good question, but luckily for me, I have literally none of the T6 versions of the classes likely to have been in the Legacy Bundle, so zero redunacy for me. See until the Jupiter Carrier I only dabbled in the fed side, mostly I played an Orion KDF side with a pile of Orion FDCs and a Flight Deck Raptor (and Fleet version) mostly for the trait. Then the Jupiter came out and I both fleet and none fleet versions and that mainly what I fly Fed side with occasional breaks for my Intel Cardassian Ships, Event Ships, and my 31st Century Chronos Temporal Dreadnaught Cruiser.

    So I have spent ZERO on any of these ships. And I could use the extra ship slots on my primary Fed side character (actual my primary KDF character could use it too, but that will have to be dealt with seperately).
  • lordgyorlordgyor Member Posts: 2,818 Arc User
    > @lordgyor said:
    > > @doctorstegi said:
    > > I don't like how they do things even if there should be new ships in the bundle. I m suppose to pay for the same ships I already paid twice for. Remember they used to be T5 then T6 and now modified T6 WTF? How many times do you want to be paid for the same ship. Then the price on top of that is a joke even at 20.000 zen. Good luck finding people who are willing to spend so much money on virtual goods with uncertain time of ownership.
    > >
    > > So far this whole 10 year anniversary is a big disappointment. I hope they sell this ships individual cause I'm not buying the same ship for the 3rd or even 4th time if we talk about the T4 Versions.
    > >
    > > I don't think i waited for a ship which is already been out since years. So where are the ships we are waiting for? Vo'Quv T6, Nova T6, Luna T6, Oberth T6, Steamrunner T6, Constellation T6 ect....
    >
    > Very good question, but luckily for me, I have literally none of the T6 versions of the classes likely to have been in the Legacy Bundle, so zero redunacy for me. See until the Jupiter Carrier I only dabbled in the fed side, mostly I played an Orion KDF side with a pile of Orion FDCs and a Flight Deck Raptor (and Fleet version) mostly for the trait. Then the Jupiter came out and I both fleet and none fleet versions and that mainly what I fly Fed side with occasional breaks for my Intel Cardassian Ships, Event Ships, and my 31st Century Chronos Temporal Dreadnaught Cruiser.
    >
    > So I have spent ZERO on any of these ships. And I could use the extra ship slots on my primary Fed side character (actual my primary KDF character could use it too).
  • crypticarmsmancrypticarmsman Member Posts: 3,923 Arc User
    edited January 2020
    ...and we know CBS has forbid a C store T6 Connie, so there goes like 3 of the ships right there
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    At one point CBS forbid a T6 Connie period - but relented. IF they include a T6 Connie of some sort in this pack, CBS is probably okay with it as long as you can only get it by buying the whole pack (IE you'll never see these particular ships, whatever the other 8 end up being, sold singly/separately in the C-Store ever - you will only be able to get them via te two Anniversary Packs.

    And (like the Picard Pack - these Packs seem catered to new players (and they have gotten, and will continue to get brand new players with the continued seasons of Discovery, Picard, Section 31, Lower Decks, Star Trek: Phoenix <--- Rumored titles for the Nickelodeon cartoon series; and whatever the other two Live action series they said are in development...

    So yeah, Cryptic AND CBS Marketing (I've sure CBS gets it's slice from STO beyond part of the 5 year MMO IP license deal they keep renewing - CBS probably also helps pay a bit to get some of the Star trek actors to do VO - especially the actors from the current series) are designing Packs that are attractive to new players who want their 'Hero' ships - and they know many of us original/players playing for many years will TRIBBLE and moan; but enough will still take a bit to get the ship (and for some) the new ship looks they want.

    It's business; and the number 1 thing they are here to do in the end is keep the game running use it make a PROFIT.

    (And before someone starts the whole "But, THIS is different..." <--- They've been saying that to a degree with every marketing item Cryptic has produced for the game; and claimed it will "kill the game"; or "it's why the game is dying...", etc.)

    Overall, even though I too often don't agree with a lot of their marketing promotions and marketing tactics, they gotta be doing something right, because the list of MMOs that have thrived and remained profitable for 10 years and counting is small.
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  • lexusk19lexusk19 Member Posts: 1,383 Arc User
    edited January 2020
    I wont argue if the morality of the price. But I will say that one Disco Connie is worth around $250 to $300 USD on the exchange. And this bundle will be 10 ships for the same price. And account wide to boot.
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  • dkeith2011dkeith2011 Member Posts: 595 Arc User
    Breaking this down for myself.
    10th Anniversary Legendary Starship Premium Bundle
    Cost: 45000 Zen
    Opening Sale Price: 29300 Zen

    Yikes, pricey either way.
    20+ Ship Costumes, Including One New, Exclusive Costume for Each Ship
    All of the Ships' Consoles and Traits

    I have all the c-store ships to date, so not a lot of value here.
    10 Ship Slots (Once Per Account)

    Nice, but I don't need ship slots.
    10 Master Keys (Once Per Account)
    10 Infinity Research and Development Packs (Once Per Account)

    I don't support gamble mechanic cash boxes even if they are free in this case
    10 Enhanced Universal Tech Upgrades (Once Per Account)

    Nice, but not a deal maker by any means especially considering whats next in this list.
    10 Phoenix Prize Packs (Once Per Account)

    Sitting on a mountain of these now.
    100 Lobi (Once Per Account)

    Meh.
    1 Epic Phoenix Prize Pack Token (Once Per Account)

    Would be the first one I've gotten in over 3000 Phoenix boxes, but not that big a deal.
    10,000 Dilithium Ore (Once Per Account)

    Couple hours of mining has this covered.
    Exclusive Title: Legend of the Quadrants

    Couldn't possibly care less.

    Considering all of that, on a scale of 1-10 this bundle is a 2 at most. Unless something drastic changes during the unveiling, this will be a hard 'No' for me.
  • dragonturtletimmydragonturtletimmy Member Posts: 32 Arc User
    The 10 ships being Hero ship versions would assume it rules out Klingon, Romulan or Jem'hadar ships as none of those factions have had one of their ships focused on as the main protagonist Hero ship of a TV series or movie. It would also appear to rule out some fed ships that have never had one of their ship class the main focus as a TV series or movie's Hero ship.
  • meimeitoomeimeitoo Member Posts: 12,395 Arc User
    "10 Ship Slots (Once Per Account)"

    I'm already at max ships (56, iirc). So, does this mean the limit gets increased? If not, it's worthless to me.
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  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,204 Arc User
    Insanely priced.
    That is all.
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  • ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,485 Arc User
    edited January 2020
    You know what was strange? The boilerplate they use for any T6 release also specifies that it is scaling. They seemed to have forgotten it here so far.

    They really need to have a Zen Charge Bonus before they release this.
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  • quepanquepan Member Posts: 540 Arc User
    the biggest mistake Cryptic could do is not make the individual ships avail in the store outside the packs , i personally dont mind buying the one or two ships i really like im not about to drop that kind of cash for ships i most likely wont use , i currently have more ships than i can handle as it is , each one of my toons has Their specific ship for the most part some have two ships specific to them some only use a certain ship till the trait is acquired
  • queenbetazoid#8547 queenbetazoid Member Posts: 15 Arc User
    edited January 2020
    I'm very disappointed with the new ship bundles. I already own the defiant and the lower tier defiant "like" ships. I don't want to repay the full price just to get a little bonus. Even for people who don't already own the ships, the prices are WAY to high. You can buy 10 Tier 6 ships for 30,000 zen, so where's the deal with this bundle. Adding all the junk like lockbox keys, prize packs, etc isn't worth the extra zen. I would hope they revisit this and add a way for players that already own these ships to get an upgrade for a cheaper price, and lower the price of the bundles.
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  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Moderators, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 55,857 Community Moderator
    The 10 ships being Hero ship versions would assume it rules out Klingon, Romulan or Jem'hadar ships as none of those factions have had one of their ships focused on as the main protagonist Hero ship of a TV series or movie. It would also appear to rule out some fed ships that have never had one of their ship class the main focus as a TV series or movie's Hero ship.

    I don't know... there was the HMS Bounty from The Voyage Home. That was a Klingon ship Kirk hyjacked.
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    And some could argue that Martok's BoP was a hero ship from DS9. And while Romulans weren't featured as protagonists, the D'Deridex is pretty much the Hero ship of the Romulans due to being so heavily featured in TNG and DS9, unless we want to specifically identify Donatra's Mogai from Nemesis as a Hero ship.
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  • salazarrazesalazarraze Member Posts: 3,789 Arc User
    I can't wait to see the rest of the ships. The Legendary Defiant looks like the real deal IMO. The stats look exactly the way they should have looked when the original T6 Defiant was released. Freaking awesome. Sadly, the Legendary Galaxy is a BIG disappointment stats wise IMO. I hope that the Legendary Sovereign is much more exciting than the Galaxy.

    I also hope for at least one Klingon and one Romulan ship.
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  • ikonn#1068 ikonn Member Posts: 1,427 Arc User
    My only question is...

    Are these ships going to be classified as T6U or T7?

    With the extra traits and whatnot, looks like P2W to me. Which is funny, since this game really has no "win" in it at all. It doesn't end! We just move on to the next Event (grindfest), rinse and repeat.

    BTW if you are actually going to pay that kind of money for this... I hope you enjoy paying for those "updates".
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  • avoozuulavoozuul Member Posts: 3,038 Arc User
    edited January 2020
    rattler2 wrote: »
    And some could argue that Martok's BoP was a hero ship from DS9. And while Romulans weren't featured as protagonists, the D'Deridex is pretty much the Hero ship of the Romulans due to being so heavily featured in TNG and DS9, unless we want to specifically identify Donatra's Mogai from Nemesis as a Hero ship.

    If they do do another d'deridex then I hope it's more tac orientated since he d'deridex in the show is supposed to be a warship, the one in the game already is setup like a regular cruiser.

  • salazarrazesalazarraze Member Posts: 3,789 Arc User
    avoozuul wrote: »
    If they do do another d'deridex then I hope it's more tac orientated since he d'deridex in the show is supposed to be a warship, the one in the game already is setup like a regular cruiser.
    1000% agree. I can make it work but it's a freaking chore. The Morrigu is so much better that it's not even funny.
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  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Moderators, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 55,857 Community Moderator
    Are these ships going to be classified as T6U or T7?

    They're T6. There's really nothing over a standard T6 that they have really. For anyone who already has the older T6 versions, its a seperate ship with a new trait.
    Its a full specialist ship with a unique trait. The older T6 "hero" classes weren't full spec ships. The fact that they also have the trait from the standard T6 variants is kinda interesting IMO, but I don't see this as the next tier gimmick.

    Honestly these Legendary ships are a one stop shop for sets related to that particular class. More convenient than getting multiple ships. But... dang near functionally identical to their counterparts apart from full spec seating.

    Hell... even the stat sheets we got on them say "Tier: 6". So the question is moot.
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  • duasynduasyn Member Posts: 490 Arc User
    edited January 2020
    $450. And most of that additional stuff is gamble boxes. Seeing them trot out something like this makes me sad. Sad that they'd do something so greedy and sad that there will probably be too many people who'll hand over nearly $500 for it. For $450 they should guarantee a T6 promo ship box.
  • phoenix841phoenix841 Member Posts: 484 Arc User
    My only question is...

    Are these ships going to be classified as T6U or T7?

    With the extra traits and whatnot, looks like P2W to me. Which is funny, since this game really has no "win" in it at all. It doesn't end! We just move on to the next Event (grindfest), rinse and repeat.

    BTW if you are actually going to pay that kind of money for this... I hope you enjoy paying for those "updates".

    They're just T6-fleet level, with a couple extra traits.
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  • gaevsmangaevsman Member Posts: 3,183 Arc User
    edited January 2020
    rattler2 wrote: »
    The 10 ships being Hero ship versions would assume it rules out Klingon, Romulan or Jem'hadar ships as none of those factions have had one of their ships focused on as the main protagonist Hero ship of a TV series or movie. It would also appear to rule out some fed ships that have never had one of their ship class the main focus as a TV series or movie's Hero ship.

    I don't know... there was the HMS Bounty from The Voyage Home. That was a Klingon ship Kirk hyjacked.
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    And some could argue that Martok's BoP was a hero ship from DS9. And while Romulans weren't featured as protagonists, the D'Deridex is pretty much the Hero ship of the Romulans due to being so heavily featured in TNG and DS9, unless we want to specifically identify Donatra's Mogai from Nemesis as a Hero ship.

    Wow, beautiful painting, anyway, as i said in other tread, if they are available individualy, yes, by all means i'll buy some of them, if it's only on the pack... well, no, i dont have money to burn, 2 years ago, i manage to buy LTS, and i have been playing the game for 9 years, do the math on when i'll be able to buy the pack.. :lol:
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  • lianthelialianthelia Member Posts: 7,713 Arc User
    My only question is...

    Are these ships going to be classified as T6U or T7?

    With the extra traits and whatnot, looks like P2W to me. Which is funny, since this game really has no "win" in it at all. It doesn't end! We just move on to the next Event (grindfest), rinse and repeat.

    BTW if you are actually going to pay that kind of money for this... I hope you enjoy paying for those "updates".

    That's how MMORPGS work...they always advance...if they didn't we wouldn't be sitting here talking about the tenth anniversary.
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  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,550 Arc User
    rattler2 wrote: »
    Are these ships going to be classified as T6U or T7?

    They're T6. There's really nothing over a standard T6 that they have really. For anyone who already has the older T6 versions, its a seperate ship with a new trait.
    Its a full specialist ship with a unique trait. The older T6 "hero" classes weren't full spec ships. The fact that they also have the trait from the standard T6 variants is kinda interesting IMO, but I don't see this as the next tier gimmick.

    Honestly these Legendary ships are a one stop shop for sets related to that particular class. More convenient than getting multiple ships. But... dang near functionally identical to their counterparts apart from full spec seating.

    Hell... even the stat sheets we got on them say "Tier: 6". So the question is moot.

    Maybe T6.25, but their stats are close to Fleet ships. The Valiant has 10 consoles, 1.0 hull modifier, and 0.9 shield modifier while the Legendary Pilot Escort has 11 consoles, 1.25 hull modifier, and 0.95 shield modifier. The Valiant has a higher turn rate, impulse modifier, and inertia than the Legendary Pilot Escort. The Legendary Exploration Cruiser has 11 consoles and a higher hull modifier, shield modifier, and the same turn rate, impulse modifier, and inertia as the Andromeda. The Legendary ships seems to have a higher hull modifier and a slightly lower shield modifier.
  • baddmoonrizinbaddmoonrizin Member Posts: 7,789 Community Moderator
    I guess everyone is just ignoring the 30k Zen bundle of just the ships (+ ship slots) without all the other extras. Given that a T6 ship is 3k Zen, x10 ships is actually 30k Zen, and the introductory price of 19.5k Zen is a significant discount for 10 T6 ships.
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  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,204 Arc User
    I guess everyone is just ignoring the 30k Zen bundle of just the ships (+ ship slots) without all the other extras. Given that a T6 ship is 3k Zen, x10 ships is actually 30k Zen, and the introductory price of 19.5k Zen is a significant discount for 10 T6 ships.

    A couple hundred $$$ is still stupidly expensive.
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  • phoenix841phoenix841 Member Posts: 484 Arc User
    I guess everyone is just ignoring the 30k Zen bundle of just the ships (+ ship slots) without all the other extras. Given that a T6 ship is 3k Zen, x10 ships is actually 30k Zen, and the introductory price of 19.5k Zen is a significant discount for 10 T6 ships.

    The 45k bundle isn't even worth discussing IMO.

    I honestly thought the base value of the 30k bundle was going to be closer to 20k.
    Bundled ships are 2k a piece (or less, if you count the similar mega bundles), 10 ships x 2k = 20k, then on sale for maybe 12k or 13k.
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  • lordgyorlordgyor Member Posts: 2,818 Arc User
    edited January 2020
    > @coldnapalm said:
    > So...looking at the picture, it looks like all feddie bear ships...if that is the case Yeah SUPER hard pass for me.

    I could tell it was a pass for you the minute I read Feddie Bear, kind of a tell as to what your preferences are.
  • baddmoonrizinbaddmoonrizin Member Posts: 7,789 Community Moderator
    I guess everyone is just ignoring the 30k Zen bundle of just the ships (+ ship slots) without all the other extras. Given that a T6 ship is 3k Zen, x10 ships is actually 30k Zen, and the introductory price of 19.5k Zen is a significant discount for 10 T6 ships.

    A couple hundred $$$ is still stupidly expensive.

    Not arguing the cost, but that is what one would pay to buy 10 T6 ships individually.

    phoenix841 wrote: »
    I guess everyone is just ignoring the 30k Zen bundle of just the ships (+ ship slots) without all the other extras. Given that a T6 ship is 3k Zen, x10 ships is actually 30k Zen, and the introductory price of 19.5k Zen is a significant discount for 10 T6 ships.

    The 45k bundle isn't even worth discussing IMO.

    I honestly thought the base value of the 30k bundle was going to be closer to 20k.
    Bundled ships are 2k a piece (or less, if you count the similar mega bundles), 10 ships x 2k = 20k, then on sale for maybe 12k or 13k.

    My comments were meant more to address those that saw no value in the extras in the 45K Zen Bundle and bemoaning the cost, and to point out that there is another option without those extras at a lower price.

    coldnapalm wrote: »
    So...looking at the picture, it looks like all feddie bear ships...if that is the case Yeah SUPER hard pass for me.

    The Odyssey silhouettes are placeholders and not indicative of what the other ships actually are.
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