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  • meimeitoomeimeitoo Member Posts: 12,587 Arc User
    Miradorn is an exceptionally good Escort, with a wicked console (one that's actually useful, for a change). And it especially shines, as a 2pc set, in combination with the console from the Husnock ship.

    I agree, though, that, while I love my Miradorn, when ppl are speculating about things being made 'more accessible' to them, they are likely more thinking about 1+ bil ships like the Connie, Kelvin Flightdeck cruiser, jellyfish 'fidget spinner', etc, and not mere 200+ mil regular lock box ships. But it's nonetheless a promisimg step in the right direction Cryptic took.
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  • thegrandnagus1thegrandnagus1 Member Posts: 5,165 Arc User
    meimeitoo wrote: »
    Miradorn is an exceptionally good Escort, with a wicked console (one that's actually useful, for a change). And it especially shines, as a 2pc set, in combination with the console from the Husnock ship.

    I agree, though, that, while I love my Miradorn, when ppl are speculating about things being made 'more accessible' to them, they are likely more thinking about 1+ bil ships like the Connie, Kelvin Flightdeck cruiser, jellyfish 'fidget spinner', etc, and not mere 200+ mil regular lock box ships. But it's nonetheless a promisimg step in the right direction Cryptic took.

    Yeah, not saying anything against the merits of this ship. But I can only imagine that the reason they decided to actually do this with this ship is that it ISN'T one of the top "money generating" ships. And what I mean by that is, they obviously have stats showing how many of each lockbox ship have been chosen by people in game, so the ones that are not as popular are not the ones actually driving key/promo pack sales. I highly doubt they will be doing this with the most popular ships any time soon.

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  • salazarrazesalazarraze Member Posts: 3,794 Arc User
    edited January 2020
    What a silly post. We both know this is not a "hero" ship, and not what 99% of people who beg to be able to buy lock box ships in the store have actually been asking for. In fact, nearly every one of those threads I have ever seen was in reference to the connie.

    So yeah, telling people who were asking to be able to buy the connie in the store to "put their money where their mouth is" with this ship is beyond ridiculous.
    Hero ship or not it doesn't matter. People have complained about lack of availability for every single prize ship in existence. The Miradorn was also quite popular when it came out. Obviously not T6 Connie popular and I agree that the T6 Consitution would definitely drive more interest. The point remains though. Hopefully it sells and we'll see more things like this going forward. Maybe even a T6 Connie some day. I'd expect it to be 25,000 zen with no sale.
    meimeitoo wrote: »
    I agree, though, that, while I love my Miradorn, when ppl are speculating about things being made 'more accessible' to them, they are likely more thinking about 1+ bil ships like the Connie, Kelvin Flightdeck cruiser, jellyfish 'fidget spinner', etc, and not mere 200+ mil regular lock box ships.
    TBF, there hasn't been a 200M EC lock box ship for a long long time. Lobi ships are around 200M EC but the Miradorn has consistently been over 600M for months and only now has tanked down to slightly under 500M after the news today. Definitely agree though that promo ships would generate a lot more interest.
    meimeitoo wrote: »
    But it's nonetheless a promisimg step in the right direction Cryptic took.
    That's the main thing I'm trying to get at here. Whether this ends up being a one time thing or a semi-regular occurrence really depends on how well it sells.

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  • thegrandnagus1thegrandnagus1 Member Posts: 5,165 Arc User
    edited January 2020
    Hero ship or not it doesn't matter.

    False.
    People have complained about lack of availability for every single prize ship in existence.

    Maybe, but the amount of people upset about this particular ship being on a box vs a connie are different by so many orders of magnitude that the comparison is basically apples to oranges.
    Maybe even a T6 Connie some day. I'd expect it to be 25,000 zen with no sale.

    As someone who owns every connie in game, I would be completely fine with that (and even at a lower price that you mentioned). I am in no way opposed to people being able to enjoy a ship they want, and feel no selfish desire for it to be rare just because I have one. Still, I highly doubt it's going to happen any time soon.

    But getting back to my original point: your blanket statement to people to "put their money where their mouth is" is ridiculous. The vast majority of people who have begged for box ships to be sold in the store were specifically wanting the connie or discoprise or some other specific hero ship, and suggesting those people should have to buy a ship they care nothing about (in the vague hope that it might one day translate into the ship they actually want getting in the store) is crazy.

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  • lexusk19lexusk19 Member Posts: 1,403 Arc User
    If it wasnt a fugly ship they were offering, I would be all over this deal. But as it stands, I own 90% of what they are offering and dont like the raider ship. So meh.
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  • salazarrazesalazarraze Member Posts: 3,794 Arc User
    edited January 2020
    But getting back to my original point: your blanket statement to people to "put their money where their mouth is" is ridiculous. The vast majority of people who have begged for box ships to be sold in the store were specifically wanting the connie or discoprise or some other specific hero ship, and suggesting those people should have to buy a ship they care nothing about (in the vague hope that it might one day translate into the ship they actually want getting in the store) is crazy.

    It makes perfect sense actually. Not everyone necessarily wants a T6 Constitution. Sure it's the most popular but there are plenty of folks that begged Cryptic to put any and all prize ships in the c-store over the years. You're also discounting the number of people that are just collectors. People that want anything they can get their hands on. For those that want the Miradorn, now is the time to put up or shut up.
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  • lexusk19lexusk19 Member Posts: 1,403 Arc User
    If they included a T6 Constellation in the pack, I would buy it in heartbeat! When will they give us the T6?!? D:
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  • ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,569 Arc User
    Isn't it funny that a 'Lockbox Ship that wasn't selling well', as some put it, just happens to be one that fits in nicely with a Picard themed bundle. Hooey, it's not in this bundle because it wasn't selling well, but because it is a proper ship to be in that bundle.
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  • postagepaidpostagepaid Member Posts: 2,899 Arc User
    It probably sold better than the probe ship from insurrection that was so popular they changed the R&D gambleboxes over to infinite.
  • rattler2rattler2 Member Posts: 57,973 Community Moderator
    The Son'a Collector is rare. But I guess that's because it doesn't fit into meta builds?
    I don't know. I just know I've seen far more Tzenkethi Dreads than I have Son'a Dreads. Hell... I haven't seen an Annorax for a while either.
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  • meimeitoomeimeitoo Member Posts: 12,587 Arc User
    edited January 2020
    And here's mine, with its own console, and that of the Husnock ship:

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    "Ay, Captain, she's a beast!"
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  • sennahcheribsennahcherib Member Posts: 2,823 Arc User
    I use mine with diffusive tetryon cannons, and it is little funny ship
  • lexusk19lexusk19 Member Posts: 1,403 Arc User
    edited January 2020
    Now that we know they are going to sell them. Just release them, ill buy all the ones I have now. Would be so expensive, but worth it! lol

    Heck, im buying this pack just to show I support them releasing lockbox ships like this.
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  • lordmerc22lordmerc22 Member Posts: 776 Arc User
    lexusk19 wrote: »
    Now that we know they are going to sell them. Just release them, ill buy all the ones I have now. Would be so expensive, but worth it! lol

    Heck, im buying this pack just to show I support them releasing lockbox ships like this.

    Yes its a step on the right direction. I think they should be doing it with any lockbox ships that are at least 2 years since they got released
  • eiriktworavens#2049 eiriktworavens Member Posts: 35 Arc User
    I have my Zen waiting for the Picard pack, thout there are some item I already own.
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  • pwecangetlostpwecangetlost Member Posts: 538 Arc User
    Purely anecdotal, but I don't engage in any of the lockbox/lobi stuff really and while I don't agree with gamble mechanics, I'd bite the bullet if once I had something it was an unlock rather than something that would be trapped on a particular character. I like having options not being boxed in. I'd probably would have tried at some of the R&D stuff if once I had it, I had it.
  • gaevsmangaevsman Member Posts: 3,190 Arc User
    ltminns wrote: »
    Isn't it funny that a 'Lockbox Ship that wasn't selling well', as some put it, just happens to be one that fits in nicely with a Picard themed bundle. Hooey, it's not in this bundle because it wasn't selling well, but because it is a proper ship to be in that bundle.

    Well, the bundle makes a lot of sense, but i own 95% of that pack, and i actually like the Miradorn for my ferengi.. 6000 zen for that is too much, wish there were a discount for having everything else...
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  • avoozuulavoozuul Member Posts: 3,196 Arc User
    edited January 2020
    It's probably obvious at this point that they won't make ships acquired from epic/ultra tokens account wide, they will find some other way to sell phoenix/event ships to justify them as account unlocks.
  • postagepaidpostagepaid Member Posts: 2,899 Arc User
    It might be a step in the right direction in so far as the account unlock for ships but the pricing is just too greedy. Buying sends two messages, one being that folk would be willing to buy the ship but also that folk are willing to be gouged over the price.

    The 12k asking price for that bundle is mugs market level of greed.
  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,501 Arc User
    It might be a step in the right direction in so far as the account unlock for ships but the pricing is just too greedy. Buying sends two messages, one being that folk would be willing to buy the ship but also that folk are willing to be gouged over the price.

    The 12k asking price for that bundle is mugs market level of greed.

    Not really for account-wide lock box ships.

    A single-character lock box ship costs 500+ million on the Exchange, so 100+ lock box keys worth of zen.

    The odds of getting a lock box ship by opening boxes are 1 in 250, so on average 250 lock box keys worth of zen. That's also for a single-character unlock.


  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    edited January 2020
    Well, some people were claiming that they'd buy some lockbox ships for Zen, even if they were more expensive, especially when it became an account unlock. Now everyone has the chance to put their money where their mouth is, and a great chance for the community to show to Cryptic how profitable selling gamble ships directly in the C-Store could be.

    Fair warning for Defiant fans though: Even though this ship has only dual warhead launcher currently in game, the launcher is pretty disappointing and won't make your Defiant look cooler, or make it more effective. There are better experimental weapons.
    If you want a good Experimental weapon from a lockbox ship and not gamble fo rit, buy that Star Trek roleplaying source book that came bundled with that Tzenkethi ship. Not an account unlock however.
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  • jexsamxjexsamx Member Posts: 2,802 Arc User
    Always wanted a Miradorn, especially one I could reclaim across multiple characters, but... hoofa doofa, that price is steep. If it had been 3k on sale I might have gone for it, but 6k is right out.
  • thegrandnagus1thegrandnagus1 Member Posts: 5,165 Arc User
    edited January 2020
    Well, some people were claiming that they'd buy some lockbox ships for Zen, even if they were more expensive, especially when it became an account unlock. Now everyone has the chance to put their money where their mouth is, and a great chance for the community to show to Cryptic how profitable selling gamble ships directly in the C-Store could be.

    Your comment is incredibly disingenuous. The ONLY people who need to "put their money where their mouth is" are the very few people who said they would be this SPECIFIC ship if it were added to the zen store. All the other people who said they would buy any OTHER lock box ship have nothing to prove in this specific situation. For example, a person who vowed to buy a t6 connie if it were ever added to the zen store is under absolutely no obligation to buy the Miradorn.

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  • thegrandnagus1thegrandnagus1 Member Posts: 5,165 Arc User
    For those that want the Miradorn, now is the time to put up or shut up.

    I agree. Anyone who ever claimed they would buy this SPECIFIC ship if added to the zen store should do so now. But anyone who ever asked for any OTHER ship has nothing to prove with this situation.

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  • meimeitoomeimeitoo Member Posts: 12,587 Arc User
    Well, some people were claiming that they'd buy some lockbox ships for Zen, even if they were more expensive, especially when it became an account unlock. Now everyone has the chance to put their money where their mouth is, and a great chance for the community to show to Cryptic how profitable selling gamble ships directly in the C-Store could be.

    Your comment is incredibly disingenuous. The ONLY people who need to "put their money where their mouth is" are the very few people who said they would be this SPECIFIC ship if it were added to the zen store. All the other people who said they would buy any OTHER lock box ship have nothing to prove in this specific situation. For example, a person who vowed to buy a t6 connie if it were ever added to the zen store is under absolutely no obligation to buy the Miradorn.


    ^^ Zactly!

    Put the fidget spinner in the C-Store, and I will buy it. Or a T6 Connie. And a few other ships, no doubt. Doesn't mean I'm suddenly obligated to buy every ship out there now made available thru the C-Store.

    Also, it is not "for the community to show to Cryptic how profitable selling gamble ships directly in the C-Store could be." Rather the onus is on Cryptic to make things a bit more 'accessible' (their words) -- even if that means somewhat less immediate profit. The idea of course being, that only selling all the good ships starting at a 1.5b+ price tag, for the very happy few, ultimately runs counter to the overall viability of the game. Call it a greed nerf, if you will, to normalize a situation that had gotten out of hand a bit.
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  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,501 Arc User
    jexsamx wrote: »
    Always wanted a Miradorn, especially one I could reclaim across multiple characters, but... hoofa doofa, that price is steep. If it had been 3k on sale I might have gone for it, but 6k is right out.

    Sorry, you'll never own a lock box ship then.

    Cryptic is currently getting 250 lock box key sales per single-character unlock of lock boxes. There is no chance at all that they will drop the price down to 4,000 zen list for an account-wide unlock where you could get one for 3.100 zen during a 30% off sale.

    I'd love to pay $30 for a T6 TOS Connie but I know that's not going to happen either.
  • salazarrazesalazarraze Member Posts: 3,794 Arc User
    meimeitoo wrote: »
    The idea of course being, that only selling all the good ships starting at a 1.5b+ price tag, for the very happy few, ultimately runs counter to the overall viability of the game. Call it a greed nerf, if you will, to normalize a situation that had gotten out of hand a bit.

    That's not what's happening though. There's plenty of good ships in the c-store and available via fleet modules. The Gagarin/Qugh and the Arbiter/Kurak/Morrigu are just a couple of really obvious examples. And depending on your definition of "good" that list can get ridiculously long.
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  • postagepaidpostagepaid Member Posts: 2,899 Arc User
    The 6k might be justified by some as you'd likely be dumping more than that on keys to gamblebox a ship but once the ship hits the store that "exclusive" status is removed and it becomes another store ship.

    As with the 100% tokens they could put lock in place such as not adding gamblebox ships until a few years have passed allowing them to milk wallets from the initial and infinity boxes while eventually giving it to the masses who'd rather not waste time or money on keys to get lots of low value box padding.
  • avoozuulavoozuul Member Posts: 3,196 Arc User
    Would this affect the sales of the lockbox version of the ship on the exchance in any way?
  • warpangelwarpangel Member Posts: 9,427 Arc User
    The 6k might be justified by some as you'd likely be dumping more than that on keys to gamblebox a ship but once the ship hits the store that "exclusive" status is removed and it becomes another store ship.
    The 6k isn't FOR a ship, it's for a whole bundle.

    It's just a bit unfortunate all the bundle contents are rather old and most players who wanted it probably already have it.
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