Why creating a divide among the playerbase? It was great to have access to some of these on Phoenix packs and why now this?
Well I guess too late and only way to make it fair is to add the Golden Ferengi Nagus Marauder, Geordi and Lorca Boffs or anything that was considered "exclusive"? I agree anything less that this does not make sense and illogical.
They did the same over at SWTOR. Selling a exclusive mission reward and companion on their store for £25. That's what happens when you pretend to sell a promo meant to be limited run and then put it on your market place at wholesale.
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In principle, I agree. But you also need to be careful, as a business, to not retro-actively change the deal from under ppl (even when the TOS says they can do anything they want). Like an artist selling a limited amount of lithographies, then suddenly printing them by the thousands. Exclusivity is a commodity, like anything else, and reneging on it devaluates the goods ppl bought, for sure (even if said value is just emotional).
It was exclusive to the Promo. You couldn't obtain it any other way. A lot of people spent a lot of time and money hunting for that little ship. For them to give them away at discount is just bad business practise and sending a message that nothing is special or exclusive. I won't be surprised if they give away the lifetime exclusives in their store too.
Exclusivity has never never meant "indefinitely" here. Those who put in the time and effort to get items have enjoyed their exclusive purchase for as long as they have had them. I bought several copies of the game at launch to get "exclusive" reward items. Personally, I could care less that everyone is able to get them now. I'm happy they are available to everyone.
"Great men are not peacemakers, Great men are conquerors!" - Captain Archer" "When diplomacy fails, there's only one alternative - violence. Force must be applied without apology. It's the Starfleet way." - Captain Janeway #Support Mirror Universe I.S.S. Prefixes
Why creating a divide among the playerbase? It was great to have access to some of these on Phoenix packs and why now this?
Well I guess too late and only way to make it fair is to add the Golden Ferengi Nagus Marauder, Geordi and Lorca Boffs or anything that was considered "exclusive"? I agree anything less that this does not make sense and illogical.
They did the same over at SWTOR. Selling a exclusive mission reward and companion on their store for £25. That's what happens when you pretend to sell a promo meant to be limited run and then put it on your market place at wholesale.
You could consider the two C-store T6 tokens and 4 T6 event ships for the year as compensation.
You lost your bragging rights, you got a lot of other free things. It evens out.
Anytime Cryptic does anything to make some money.. people yell 'cash grab.'
Hate to break it to you, but Cryptic is a business, not a charity. They need to make money to keep the game going.
Taking items people want and selling them in the store isn't a 'cash grab' it's called good business and there is nothing wrong with it.
In principle, I agree. But you also need to be careful, as a business, to not retro-actively change the deal from under ppl (even when the TOS says they can do anything they want). Like an artist selling a limited amount of lithographies, then suddenly printing them by the thousands. Exclusivity is a commodity, like anything else, and reneging on it devaluates the goods ppl bought, for sure (even if said value is just emotional).
But where was the exclusivity promised or claimed? Just because it was the only way to get something at the time doesn't mean it would always be the only way.
And what about the new way to get the thing devalues the other, previously gotten things? Do my ophidian canes perform worse if someone buys them in the store? There is no actual value to these items because we can't trade them. Emotional value as you say is just emotional and while it sucks to have feelings hurt, emotions are often completely irrational, and not something we should be basing real opinions on.
'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!'
Judge Dan Haywood
'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
Exclusivity has never never meant "indefinitely" here. Those who put in the time and effort to get items have enjoyed their exclusive purchase for as long as they have had them. I bought several copies of the game at launch to get "exclusive" reward items. Personally, I could care less that everyone is able to get them now. I'm happy they are available to everyone.
Well said, indeed the Mudd Store has killed any concepts of implied "exclusivity". This game has been on for almost 10 years and hope they will honor this with making available anything that was acquired as "unique" items eventually. There is a theme they seem to be targeting for the next anniversary coming up.
Exclusivity has never never meant "indefinitely" here. Those who put in the time and effort to get items have enjoyed their exclusive purchase for as long as they have had them. I bought several copies of the game at launch to get "exclusive" reward items. Personally, I could care less that everyone is able to get them now. I'm happy they are available to everyone.
Well said, indeed the Mudd Store has killed any concepts of implied "exclusivity". This game has been on for almost 10 years and hope they will honor this with making available anything that was acquired as "unique" items eventually. There is a theme they seem to be targeting for the next anniversary coming up.
Well great can't wait until they put all the lobi stuff in there too. Let have a riot!
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What about my codes? I have BOFF codes, if I don't claim them on some of my characters, I have to buy them again?
You won't have to buy stuff you've already unlocked in your Promotions Tab in the Zen Store. Why on Earth would you think we'd lose access to them. Cryptic has never done what you are trying to claim.
"You don't want to patrol!? You don't want to escort!? You don't want to defend the Federation's Starbases!? Then why are you flying my Starships!? If you were a Klingon you'd be killed on the spot, but lucky for you.....you WERE in Starfleet. Let's see how New Zealand Penal Colony suits you." Adm A. Necheyev.
The Episode Rewards should have been put back into the Episodes as a Reward Choice on a normal run.
So we go from Featured Rerun Event where we got Lobi Daily and got those Rewards from playing the Episode to buying it from the C-Store.
Bingo.
Totally, y'know, except for all of the steps and details that were left out.
We went from these things being available freely per character during the short runs when the episodes first premiered to semi-regular chances to get them again per character with a lobi scavenger hunt to a few highly-irregular chances to get them per character with a daily lobi reward to a couple of even more irregular chances to get them per character without the lobi reward to them being made available as account unlocks this way, possibly permanently, but possibly not.
I would rather they were just added to the missions permanently, myself, but, depending on the price for the account unlock, this isn't the worst solution that they could have come up with.
This is an MMO, not a Star Trek episode simulator. That would make for a terrible game.
Why creating a divide among the playerbase? It was great to have access to some of these on Phoenix packs and why now this?
Well I guess too late and only way to make it fair is to add the Golden Ferengi Nagus Marauder, Geordi and Lorca Boffs or anything that was considered "exclusive"? I agree anything less that this does not make sense and illogical.
They did the same over at SWTOR. Selling a exclusive mission reward and companion on their store for £25. That's what happens when you pretend to sell a promo meant to be limited run and then put it on your market place at wholesale.
You could consider the two C-store T6 tokens and 4 T6 event ships for the year as compensation.
You lost your bragging rights, you got a lot of other free things. It evens out.
If I remember correctly everyone got those tokens and summer etc event ships ONLY if they participated in the event. Key word here being participated. Not handed on a silver platter.
I didn't lose anything. Cryptic is the one that has lost all credibility of keeping to the concept that their promos are limited run rewards. I'll consider my myself 'compensated' when they make readily available all the other l̶i̶m̶i̶t̶e̶d̶ ̶r̶u̶n̶ promo rewards as discounted items in their store. Aka the Mirror Guardian Cruiser.
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I think availability of these items is a great good.
Looking forward toward more info on the cost of said items.
Off course i am hoping for the stellar amount of 0 Zen, but that is unlikely.
I'd like a few of those too: Radiometric Converter, Chromodynamic Armor, Multi-spatial Personal Shield, & Neodymium Deflector Array are the ones I hadn't heard of or seen before.
Those probably would make nice little, but not too impactful, trinkets for players to play with on certain builds or just for fun.
The Episode Rewards should have been put back into the Episodes as a Reward Choice on a normal run.
So we go from Featured Rerun Event where we got Lobi Daily and got those Rewards from playing the Episode to buying it from the C-Store.
Bingo.
Totally, y'know, except for all of the steps and details that were left out.
We went from these things being available freely per character during the short runs when the episodes first premiered to semi-regular chances to get them again per character with a lobi scavenger hunt to a few highly-irregular chances to get them per character with a daily lobi reward to a couple of even more irregular chances to get them per character without the lobi reward to them being made available as account unlocks this way, possibly permanently, but possibly not.
I would rather they were just added to the missions permanently, myself, but, depending on the price for the account unlock, this isn't the worst solution that they could have come up with.
Which is exactly what @ltminns said and the reason why I quoted him.
There was absolutely no need to speak of the "steps and details that were left out", because we all know how all that went down.
The solution was not to put them into a "new" store to be bought, but to add them to the episodes as a normal reward for everyone to get - especially new players that had absolutely no chance once they stopped running the FE altogether.
I have everything in there except for the ship, so it's not like I'm gonna miss anything - the toons that do have the FE rewards have them safely secured in the bank, because they've long since lost any "shiny" quality they might have add when they first came out, (except maybe the SoP, because that's just plain fun to use) - and while I am happy that people will now be able to get the FE stuff, what I'm not happy about is that they will have to pay for them.
They could've just add everything to the Phoenix Store (for the items relatives to it). directly into the C-Store (like the ship and the BOFFs) or as normal rewards for the relative episodes (the FE "exclusive" items).
And then there's this:
"There will, without warning, be drastic sales on these items, so it’s important to check the Market every day to see if the item you’re seeking is on sale! Don’t delay, these items may not stay in the store forever"
which reeks of just another attempt at getting people to login daily - as if all the costant events are not enough - with the feeble promise of a "sale".
Not agreeing with someone doesn't give you the right to be an TRIBBLE.
Ci sono tre tipi di giocatori:
- quelli a cui non va mai bene niente... e vanno sul forum a trollare;
- quelli che sono talmente imbesuiti da credere a qualunque cosa i dev dicano, perfino che la luna è fatta di formaggio... e vanno sul forum a trollare;
- quelli che credono a quello a cui è giusto credere, sono d'accordo con quello con cui è giusto essere d'accordo e sono critici con quello che non va;
Ai giocatori dei primi due tipi, gratis in omaggio un bello specchio lucente su cui arrampicarsi. E una mazzata in testa per la loro poca intelligenza e compassione verso gli altri giocatori che non la pensano come loro.
Agli appartenenti al terzo tipo, invece, dico grazie. Anche se non sempre si riesce a mantenere la calma, siete quelli per cui vale la pena incazzarsi.
"directly into the C-Store (like the ship and the BOFFs)
It better not be. Event items that were always free. Yes. Paid promos. No.
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I have the Chromodynamic Armor, it sucks.
It's Mk2 Rare, un-upgradeable.
It's useful for about 5 missions. Even then, the Terran Guerilla Armor is better.
Anyway, as someone that has the DS9, TOS, and Disco Holoboffs, I like this.
I don't mind timed exclusives, but what I don't like are permanent exclusives.
A permanent exclusive is not in the spirit of Star Trek in my opinion.
I'm happy others are finally going to be able to get the things I've already got. Just like I'm happy to finally get access to the EMH as account-wide unlock, and the Vizier ship.
The FE rewards... not sure why Cryptic didn't just add them to the missions themselves.
However on the bright side of that, being an account-wide unlock, now we can all enjoy the shard and cane at low-levels, like we used to when they first came out. Instead of being locked behind level 65 now.
So, even though I have to "pay" for them, I get more utility out of them now.
Exclusivity has never never meant "indefinitely" here. Those who put in the time and effort to get items have enjoyed their exclusive purchase for as long as they have had them. I bought several copies of the game at launch to get "exclusive" reward items. Personally, I could care less that everyone is able to get them now. I'm happy they are available to everyone.
Well said, indeed the Mudd Store has killed any concepts of implied "exclusivity". This game has been on for almost 10 years and hope they will honor this with making available anything that was acquired as "unique" items eventually. There is a theme they seem to be targeting for the next anniversary coming up.
The exclusivity of this game's deals disappeared in 2010. They promised Champions online lifetimers an exclusive MU outfit in STO. Not only did they not deliver on time, once they did, it went into the Cstore 3 months later or so. That model was put in place a decade ago.
What I don't understand is where people get the idea that things that are limited availability for a time via codes or whatever means they should perpetually be exclusive, especially as Cryptic learned in 2010 not to trap themselves by using the word "exclusive" as they did then.
What is the real issue here? People don't want others to ever have the same stuff? They want it gotten only the original way?
It's one thing to complain about pricing it in zen, especially for some things that properly fit right into the Phoenix store as rare or very rare tokens along with items gotten via similar means, yet most things in the Phoenix store aren't account unlocks. The Mudd store apparently will be.
Thing is, the Mudd store doesn't preclude doing reruns of FEs offering these items for free, or these odd promotions like the Vizier thing. You could still have the rare option of getting it the limited way or just buying a zen unlock.
Cryptic is the one that has lost all credibility of keeping to the concept that their promos are limited run rewards.
Show us where any of those were advertised as "permanent" limited run rewards. The items were limited run items for a long time. Now they aren't anymore.
Show you what? You just said it yourself the items were limited.
limited
adjective
1. small in amount or number:
a limited choice
limited resources
2. kept within a particular size, range, time, etc.:
Places on the bus are limited to 50 - so book early!
The problem of stress is certainly not limited to people who work (= it exists for others too).
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There was a period where they were exclusive. In some cases a rather extensive period.
Should that mean that they should NEVER see the light of day again? Personally I don't think so. People have ASKED for some of these to be made available again. Now not only are they being made available, they are frickin' account unlocks!
Just like someone mentioned earlier in this thread, its kinda like the Mogstation for FF14. After a period of time, event exclusive items are put up into the store. In this case its more real world events than seasonal events.
I see no problem with that. Why? Because we're getting new players all the time who weren't around for those events. Having the ability to get these items is, frankly, a good thing. Like anything in this game, it is a CHOICE if you want it or not. Yea I got the Vizier through the promo, but I'm not sitting here lording it over those who don't have it because I want to feel special. I'm happy others will now have a chance to get her.
Could they have put the Reman and Breen BOffs into the Phoenix Box? Maybe. But items like the Vizier and the holo BOff packs I don't see fitting in there.
What would I like to see in the Mudd Store?
Mirror Guardian
Mirror Danube
Kelvin Admiral Uniform
T5 Kamarag (unless Cryptic already has plans for a T6 release)
Move the Dilithium outfits into the Mudd Store (if we can't have them in a GPL store)
While this might require Cryptic to do something to better balance the DL economy, there is potential for all parties with this new Store. STO has always had one of the better F2P models in the player's ability to get store items. Even a F2P can earn a shiny T6. I should know that because I did it myself for quite a while. Just takes time and knowledge.
Just like with anything, we'll have to see how this works out. But like others, I just don't understand why we have this Catch 22 situation. Cryptic does something people have asked for, and people complain. Cryptic doesn't do something, and people complain. Cryptic EXISTS, and people complain.
And for anyone who says they would rather see bug fixes than anything else, there are multiple departments that handle different things. Just because they made a new store page doesn't mean the Bug Department is not doing their job. You can't ask an Environmental Artist to fix a bug in the code. That would be like asking a plumber to fix the lights, which is the job of an electritian.
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Take it the original Steam starter bundle promo pack is out of the question <-- long shot seeing it in the shop
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There is in Zen store a ship pack called "Steam Runner Bundle", which contains T1 and T5 Steamrunner from the Steam starter bundle, and the rest items from that bundle are looking nothing special, just some Mk II gear, and couple of green BOFFs.
Now, I'm not sure about others, but personally I want all my BOFFs and DOFFs at least purple rarity.
Exclusivity has never never meant "indefinitely" here. Those who put in the time and effort to get items have enjoyed their exclusive purchase for as long as they have had them. I bought several copies of the game at launch to get "exclusive" reward items. Personally, I could care less that everyone is able to get them now. I'm happy they are available to everyone.
Well said, indeed the Mudd Store has killed any concepts of implied "exclusivity". This game has been on for almost 10 years and hope they will honor this with making available anything that was acquired as "unique" items eventually. There is a theme they seem to be targeting for the next anniversary coming up.
The exclusivity of this game's deals disappeared in 2010. They promised Champions online lifetimers an exclusive MU outfit in STO. Not only did they not deliver on time, once they did, it went into the Cstore 3 months later or so. That model was put in place a decade ago.
What I don't understand is where people get the idea that things that are limited availability for a time via codes or whatever means they should perpetually be exclusive, especially as Cryptic learned in 2010 not to trap themselves by using the word "exclusive" as they did then.
What is the real issue here? People don't want others to ever have the same stuff? They want it gotten only the original way?
It's one thing to complain about pricing it in zen, especially for some things that properly fit right into the Phoenix store as rare or very rare tokens along with items gotten via similar means, yet most things in the Phoenix store aren't account unlocks. The Mudd store apparently will be.
Thing is, the Mudd store doesn't preclude doing reruns of FEs offering these items for free, or these odd promotions like the Vizier thing. You could still have the rare option of getting it the limited way or just buying a zen unlock.
I tell you what I'll sell you a print and say that it is a limited time run and then I'll print 1,000 copies and give them away to anyone in my store for discount price. Then I can respond in the same dumbfounded question by saying:
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Whining like a spoiled child that the neighbor's kids could now get the same toys you have isn't exactly constructive.
im not sure calling the people who actually got off their backsides and attended a convention "spoilt children" is going to win you any favours, it might have been their first time, they made it! they got there and the reward was a code to get something shiney, now for the sake of some zen cryptic is selling emotions.
Being upset upset the neigbhors' kids have the same toys, is acting like a spoiled child.
The 116A is unique in that it doesn't require line of sight on the target to fire and can even fire through walls. Its more of a novelty nowadays, since it can't be upgraded its useless outside of pvp though back in the original stf days it was fairly useful against borg
There was a period where they were exclusive. In some cases a rather extensive period.
Should that mean that they should NEVER see the light of day again? Personally I don't think so. People have ASKED for some of these to be made available again. Now not only are they being made available, they are frickin' account unlocks!
Just like someone mentioned earlier in this thread, its kinda like the Mogstation for FF14. After a period of time, event exclusive items are put up into the store. In this case its more real world events than seasonal events.
I see no problem with that. Why? Because we're getting new players all the time who weren't around for those events. Having the ability to get these items is, frankly, a good thing. Like anything in this game, it is a CHOICE if you want it or not. Yea I got the Vizier through the promo, but I'm not sitting here lording it over those who don't have it because I want to feel special. I'm happy others will now have a chance to get her.
Could they have put the Reman and Breen BOffs into the Phoenix Box? Maybe. But items like the Vizier and the holo BOff packs I don't see fitting in there.
What would I like to see in the Mudd Store?
[*] Mirror Guardian [*] Mirror Danube [*] Kelvin Admiral Uniform [*] T5 Kamarag (unless Cryptic already has plans for a T6 release) [*] Move the Dilithium outfits into the Mudd Store (if we can't have them in a GPL store)
While this might require Cryptic to do something to better balance the DL economy, there is potential for all parties with this new Store. STO has always had one of the better F2P models in the player's ability to get store items. Even a F2P can earn a shiny T6. I should know that because I did it myself for quite a while. Just takes time and knowledge.
Just like with anything, we'll have to see how this works out. But like others, I just don't understand why we have this Catch 22 situation. Cryptic does something people have asked for, and people complain. Cryptic doesn't do something, and people complain. Cryptic EXISTS, and people complain.
And for anyone who says they would rather see bug fixes than anything else, there are multiple departments that handle different things. Just because they made a new store page doesn't mean the Bug Department is not doing their job. You can't ask an Environmental Artist to fix a bug in the code. That would be like asking a plumber to fix the lights, which is the job of an electritian.
@rattler2 if you give the item to everyone years later then it was never an exclusive or limited promo, was it?
CRYPTIC:
I agree with you on the 'exclusive' mirror rewards. Put the "exclusive" Mirror versions of the Danube Runabout and Guardian Cruiser, previously "available through Groupees only" in the store for a huge discount!
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They did the same over at SWTOR. Selling a exclusive mission reward and companion on their store for £25. That's what happens when you pretend to sell a promo meant to be limited run and then put it on your market place at wholesale.
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https://sto.gamepedia.com/TR-116A_Rifle_-_Sniper_Rifle
You could consider the two C-store T6 tokens and 4 T6 event ships for the year as compensation.
You lost your bragging rights, you got a lot of other free things. It evens out.
But where was the exclusivity promised or claimed? Just because it was the only way to get something at the time doesn't mean it would always be the only way.
And what about the new way to get the thing devalues the other, previously gotten things? Do my ophidian canes perform worse if someone buys them in the store? There is no actual value to these items because we can't trade them. Emotional value as you say is just emotional and while it sucks to have feelings hurt, emotions are often completely irrational, and not something we should be basing real opinions on.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
Well said, indeed the Mudd Store has killed any concepts of implied "exclusivity". This game has been on for almost 10 years and hope they will honor this with making available anything that was acquired as "unique" items eventually. There is a theme they seem to be targeting for the next anniversary coming up.
Well great can't wait until they put all the lobi stuff in there too. Let have a riot!
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You won't have to buy stuff you've already unlocked in your Promotions Tab in the Zen Store. Why on Earth would you think we'd lose access to them. Cryptic has never done what you are trying to claim.
Totally, y'know, except for all of the steps and details that were left out.
We went from these things being available freely per character during the short runs when the episodes first premiered to semi-regular chances to get them again per character with a lobi scavenger hunt to a few highly-irregular chances to get them per character with a daily lobi reward to a couple of even more irregular chances to get them per character without the lobi reward to them being made available as account unlocks this way, possibly permanently, but possibly not.
I would rather they were just added to the missions permanently, myself, but, depending on the price for the account unlock, this isn't the worst solution that they could have come up with.
If I remember correctly everyone got those tokens and summer etc event ships ONLY if they participated in the event. Key word here being participated. Not handed on a silver platter.
I didn't lose anything. Cryptic is the one that has lost all credibility of keeping to the concept that their promos are limited run rewards. I'll consider my myself 'compensated' when they make readily available all the other l̶i̶m̶i̶t̶e̶d̶ ̶r̶u̶n̶ promo rewards as discounted items in their store. Aka the Mirror Guardian Cruiser.
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I'd like a few of those too: Radiometric Converter, Chromodynamic Armor, Multi-spatial Personal Shield, & Neodymium Deflector Array are the ones I hadn't heard of or seen before.
Those probably would make nice little, but not too impactful, trinkets for players to play with on certain builds or just for fun.
There was absolutely no need to speak of the "steps and details that were left out", because we all know how all that went down.
The solution was not to put them into a "new" store to be bought, but to add them to the episodes as a normal reward for everyone to get - especially new players that had absolutely no chance once they stopped running the FE altogether.
I have everything in there except for the ship, so it's not like I'm gonna miss anything - the toons that do have the FE rewards have them safely secured in the bank, because they've long since lost any "shiny" quality they might have add when they first came out, (except maybe the SoP, because that's just plain fun to use) - and while I am happy that people will now be able to get the FE stuff, what I'm not happy about is that they will have to pay for them.
They could've just add everything to the Phoenix Store (for the items relatives to it). directly into the C-Store (like the ship and the BOFFs) or as normal rewards for the relative episodes (the FE "exclusive" items).
And then there's this:
"There will, without warning, be drastic sales on these items, so it’s important to check the Market every day to see if the item you’re seeking is on sale! Don’t delay, these items may not stay in the store forever"
which reeks of just another attempt at getting people to login daily - as if all the costant events are not enough - with the feeble promise of a "sale".
Ci sono tre tipi di giocatori:
- quelli a cui non va mai bene niente... e vanno sul forum a trollare;
- quelli che sono talmente imbesuiti da credere a qualunque cosa i dev dicano, perfino che la luna è fatta di formaggio... e vanno sul forum a trollare;
- quelli che credono a quello a cui è giusto credere, sono d'accordo con quello con cui è giusto essere d'accordo e sono critici con quello che non va;
Ai giocatori dei primi due tipi, gratis in omaggio un bello specchio lucente su cui arrampicarsi. E una mazzata in testa per la loro poca intelligenza e compassione verso gli altri giocatori che non la pensano come loro.
Agli appartenenti al terzo tipo, invece, dico grazie. Anche se non sempre si riesce a mantenere la calma, siete quelli per cui vale la pena incazzarsi.
It better not be. Event items that were always free. Yes. Paid promos. No.
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It's Mk2 Rare, un-upgradeable.
It's useful for about 5 missions. Even then, the Terran Guerilla Armor is better.
Anyway, as someone that has the DS9, TOS, and Disco Holoboffs, I like this.
I don't mind timed exclusives, but what I don't like are permanent exclusives.
A permanent exclusive is not in the spirit of Star Trek in my opinion.
I'm happy others are finally going to be able to get the things I've already got. Just like I'm happy to finally get access to the EMH as account-wide unlock, and the Vizier ship.
The FE rewards... not sure why Cryptic didn't just add them to the missions themselves.
However on the bright side of that, being an account-wide unlock, now we can all enjoy the shard and cane at low-levels, like we used to when they first came out. Instead of being locked behind level 65 now.
So, even though I have to "pay" for them, I get more utility out of them now.
The exclusivity of this game's deals disappeared in 2010. They promised Champions online lifetimers an exclusive MU outfit in STO. Not only did they not deliver on time, once they did, it went into the Cstore 3 months later or so. That model was put in place a decade ago.
What I don't understand is where people get the idea that things that are limited availability for a time via codes or whatever means they should perpetually be exclusive, especially as Cryptic learned in 2010 not to trap themselves by using the word "exclusive" as they did then.
What is the real issue here? People don't want others to ever have the same stuff? They want it gotten only the original way?
It's one thing to complain about pricing it in zen, especially for some things that properly fit right into the Phoenix store as rare or very rare tokens along with items gotten via similar means, yet most things in the Phoenix store aren't account unlocks. The Mudd store apparently will be.
Thing is, the Mudd store doesn't preclude doing reruns of FEs offering these items for free, or these odd promotions like the Vizier thing. You could still have the rare option of getting it the limited way or just buying a zen unlock.
Show you what? You just said it yourself the items were limited.
limited
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1. small in amount or number:
2. kept within a particular size, range, time, etc.:
- The problem of stress is certainly not limited to people who work (= it exists for others too).
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There was a period where they were exclusive. In some cases a rather extensive period.
Should that mean that they should NEVER see the light of day again? Personally I don't think so. People have ASKED for some of these to be made available again. Now not only are they being made available, they are frickin' account unlocks!
Just like someone mentioned earlier in this thread, its kinda like the Mogstation for FF14. After a period of time, event exclusive items are put up into the store. In this case its more real world events than seasonal events.
I see no problem with that. Why? Because we're getting new players all the time who weren't around for those events. Having the ability to get these items is, frankly, a good thing. Like anything in this game, it is a CHOICE if you want it or not. Yea I got the Vizier through the promo, but I'm not sitting here lording it over those who don't have it because I want to feel special. I'm happy others will now have a chance to get her.
Could they have put the Reman and Breen BOffs into the Phoenix Box? Maybe. But items like the Vizier and the holo BOff packs I don't see fitting in there.
What would I like to see in the Mudd Store?
While this might require Cryptic to do something to better balance the DL economy, there is potential for all parties with this new Store. STO has always had one of the better F2P models in the player's ability to get store items. Even a F2P can earn a shiny T6. I should know that because I did it myself for quite a while. Just takes time and knowledge.
Just like with anything, we'll have to see how this works out. But like others, I just don't understand why we have this Catch 22 situation. Cryptic does something people have asked for, and people complain. Cryptic doesn't do something, and people complain. Cryptic EXISTS, and people complain.
And for anyone who says they would rather see bug fixes than anything else, there are multiple departments that handle different things. Just because they made a new store page doesn't mean the Bug Department is not doing their job. You can't ask an Environmental Artist to fix a bug in the code. That would be like asking a plumber to fix the lights, which is the job of an electritian.
There is in Zen store a ship pack called "Steam Runner Bundle", which contains T1 and T5 Steamrunner from the Steam starter bundle, and the rest items from that bundle are looking nothing special, just some Mk II gear, and couple of green BOFFs.
Now, I'm not sure about others, but personally I want all my BOFFs and DOFFs at least purple rarity.
I agree about the Dilithium outfits to GPL outfits (and maybe make some outfits for Klingons and Romulans too).
I tell you what I'll sell you a print and say that it is a limited time run and then I'll print 1,000 copies and give them away to anyone in my store for discount price. Then I can respond in the same dumbfounded question by saying:
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The 116A is unique in that it doesn't require line of sight on the target to fire and can even fire through walls. Its more of a novelty nowadays, since it can't be upgraded its useless outside of pvp though back in the original stf days it was fairly useful against borg
@rattler2 if you give the item to everyone years later then it was never an exclusive or limited promo, was it?
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I agree with you on the 'exclusive' mirror rewards. Put the "exclusive" Mirror versions of the Danube Runabout and Guardian Cruiser, previously "available through Groupees only" in the store for a huge discount!
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