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"We are looking into the data for making lock box and phoenix stuff account wide, but..."

The title of this thread was not meant to be misleading, there simply was not enough room to fit the entire quote:
"We are looking into the data for making lock box and phoenix stuff account wide but don't have anything to announce."

From tonight's Ten Forward Weekly:

https://www.reddit.com/r/sto/comments/dpfm75/ten_forward_weekly_30102019_memories_of_dst/


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  • echattyechatty Member Posts: 4,626 Arc User
    This is very interesting.
    Now a LTS and loving it.

    Just because you spend money on this game, it does not entitle you to be a jerk if things don't go your way.

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  • thegrandnagus1thegrandnagus1 Member Posts: 3,482 Arc User
    echatty wrote: »
    This is very interesting.

    Yep. My pessimistic/realistic side would say there is no chance in hell they would ever do this. But the fact that they are actually making statements like this makes me think they actually might.

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  • echattyechatty Member Posts: 4,626 Arc User
    All that can be said about it is "We'll see."

    It would be nice, but not gonna get my hopes up too much.
    Now a LTS and loving it.

    Just because you spend money on this game, it does not entitle you to be a jerk if things don't go your way.

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  • azrael605azrael605 Member Posts: 10,782 Arc User
    *shrug* Just replace the now largely irrelevant "Account Starship Trait Reclaim" tab with a tab to claim account unlocked Admiralty Card from Lockbox/Lobi/Promo ships and I'm good. Especially if that came with a dedicated Admiralty claim "store" to grab all owned ship cards.
  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 7,419 Arc User
    edited October 31
    Phoenix:

    As low as the odds are for the UR and Epic, making those ships account-wide is a reasonable change.

    For everything else, VR drop often enough that I'm fine with them being per-character.

    Lock Box / R&D pack:

    That would be a nice increase in value, but wouldn't affect me that much since I want every captain to have a different theme and fly a different ship.

    I would benefit when a ship happens to have a trait that could be useful to another captain, like "Unstable Anomalies" on my Paradox.
  • dark4blooddark4blood Member Posts: 960 Arc User
    I am all good for making Phoenix boxes account wide as almost all that stuff was originally account wide in the first place and people who came later just missed the opportunity. The regular lockboxes...no, it would basically punish all those who spent billions of EC and sometimes hundreds of dollars to get a ship on a particular character, thus almost be insulting.
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  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 7,419 Arc User
    dark4blood wrote: »
    I am all good for making Phoenix boxes account wide as almost all that stuff was originally account wide in the first place and people who came later just missed the opportunity. The regular lockboxes...no, it would basically punish all those who spent billions of EC and sometimes hundreds of dollars to get a ship on a particular character, thus almost be insulting.

    You've bought the same lock box ship multiple times? If not, what will you lose? Nothing.

    This is to make a lock box ship an account wide unlock, not to move it to the C-Store.
  • saurializardsaurializard Member Posts: 3,166 Arc User
    Phoenix box stuff?
    Quite likely and would be a welcome change, especially with all those emotes/pets.

    Lockbox?
    HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! The consoles and traits perhaps but the ships? HAHAHAHAHAHA!
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  • baddmoonrizinbaddmoonrizin Member Posts: 6,633 Community Moderator
    I know it won't be a popular opinion, but I disagree with making Lockbox and Phoenix Box ships/items account unlocks. I'd make Lobi Store ships/items account unlocks, though. And I'd implement a trade up option for Phoenix Vouchers.
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  • ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 10,047 Arc User
    edited October 31
    That's why they are looking at the data. If they see a very miniscule percentage of multiple opens for a Lockbox Ship on an Account, it's no skin off their nose to make it an Account Unlock.

    Doing so could generate more cash for them, as people who wouldn't partake before, may do so now as the Ships become availible to all appropriate Characters on an Account. And they would still be as rare as before as an individual Account can only fly a particular ship on one Character at a time.
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  • rattler2rattler2 Member Posts: 49,067 Arc User
    I'm hopeful. Would be great to get access to some of the ships I got spread around.
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  • foxman00foxman00 Member Posts: 682 Arc User
    Sadly, I think the chance of these ships becoming account unlock might be too large of a financial hit for Cryptic to take. The ships being character locked might be a necessary evil for the greater good.

    I agree with @baddmoonrizin statement expect for the trade up option for Phoenix. Dont know exactly why but something makes me feel uncomfortable when that is mentioned.
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  • seaofsorrowsseaofsorrows Member Posts: 8,212 Arc User
    edited October 31
    I won't believe a word of this until it's actually in the game.

    It will never happen, it's too big of a potential financial hit.
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  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 7,419 Arc User
    edited October 31
    ltminns wrote: »
    That's why they are looking at the data. If they see a very miniscule percentage of multiple opens for a Lockbox Ship on an Account, it's no skin off their nose to make it an Account Unlock.

    Doing so could generate more cash for them, as people who wouldn't partake before, may do so now as the Ships become availible to all appropriate Characters on an Account. And they would still be as rare as before as an individual Account can only fly a particular ship on one Character at a time.

    Exactly.

    Loss of X revenue from players who currently buy multiple copies of a ship -vs-
    Gain of Y revenue from players who will open more packs and boxes because the reward is now more valuable to them

    If X is estimated to be more than Y, Cryptic will probably keep lock box and pack ships single-character. If Y wins, we might get account unlocks.

    I have no idea how many people currently buy multiple copies of a ship, or whether that number has changed over time. Cryptic on the other hand has exact numbers.
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 34,527 Arc User
    ltminns wrote: »
    That's why they are looking at the data. If they see a very miniscule percentage of multiple opens for a Lockbox Ship on an Account, it's no skin off their nose to make it an Account Unlock.

    Doing so could generate more cash for them, as people who wouldn't partake before, may do so now as the Ships become availible to all appropriate Characters on an Account. And they would still be as rare as before as an individual Account can only fly a particular ship on one Character at a time.
    Exactly.

    Loss of X revenue from players who currently buy multiple copies of a ship -vs-
    Gain of Y revenue from players who will open more packs and boxes because the reward is now more valuable to them

    If X is estimated to be more than Y, Cryptic will probably keep lock box and pack ships single-character. If Y wins, we might get account unlocks.

    I have no idea how many people currently buy multiple copies of a ship, or whether that number has changed over time. Cryptic on the other hand has exact numbers.
    I'm guessing very few. But I'd also guess most players don't have them. There are some that do but.. well.. minority.
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  • reyan01reyan01 Member Posts: 12,878 Arc User
    Well, mixed feelings in terms of the Lock box and R&D/DOFF prize ships.

    But Phoenix? Yeah - those should be account-wide unlocks in my opinion, mostly because in most cases they were account unlocked when they first appeared (in whichever event they were the reward for).

    I'm sorry, but to me making - for example - the Breen Raider account bound if you obtain it through Phoenix kinda feels like they're saying "well, you should have just played the winter event race, shouldn't you". Except some players HATE the winter event race (not me, but I know people who do) and there are even some who simply can't run it despite the tutorials etc.
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  • captiannemo117captiannemo117 Member Posts: 206 Arc User
    Just another attempt to placate players. They have no intention of making LB and phoenix stuff account wide. It would cut into profits.
  • seaofsorrowsseaofsorrows Member Posts: 8,212 Arc User
    edited October 31
    Just another attempt to placate players. They have no intention of making LB and phoenix stuff account wide. It would cut into profits.

    If they say they're considering it, then I have no reason not to believe them.

    I just don't expect things to change and honestly.. if it's going to cause a financial loss, then I hope it doesn't change. I enjoy this game, and if it's not funded it goes away. I get why people want this feature.. heck, I do too.. but I wouldn't want it if it means the game takes a loss that could prove detrimental to it's survival.
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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 34,527 Arc User
    Just another attempt to placate players. They have no intention of making LB and phoenix stuff account wide. It would cut into profits.
    How much? What % of players has ANY LB ships? What % of those USE dupes?

    The only lost profits would be from players who actually plan to acquire and use multiples of the same ship.
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  • lexusk19lexusk19 Member Posts: 1,333 Arc User
    edited October 31
    As someone who has spent billions of EC and thousands of irl dollars on this game. I fully support account unlock for all ships. Wouldn't upset me at all. I really want it.
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  • seaofsorrowsseaofsorrows Member Posts: 8,212 Arc User
    lexusk19 wrote: »
    As someone who has spent billions of EC and thousands of irl dollars on this game. I fully support account unlock for all ships. Wouldn't upset me at all. I really want it.

    Have you spent all that money trying to get multiple copies of ships for more then one character?
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  • darkwilow13darkwilow13 Member Posts: 27 Arc User
    I don't believe anything coming from our "community manager". There was supposed to be a "Halloween" themed mish/event this year that just completely disappeared and hasn't been mentioned again. AND NO I'm not talking about the 100th Hearts and Minds replay. They spoke about something similar to the old TOS episode that was spookyish.
  • leemwatsonleemwatson Member Posts: 3,476 Arc User
    The title of this thread was not meant to be misleading, there simply was not enough room to fit the entire quote:
    "We are looking into the data for making lock box and phoenix stuff account wide but don't have anything to announce."

    From tonight's Ten Forward Weekly:

    https://www.reddit.com/r/sto/comments/dpfm75/ten_forward_weekly_30102019_memories_of_dst/

    This is nothing new. They've said this on a few streams over the last year now.
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  • leemwatsonleemwatson Member Posts: 3,476 Arc User
    I don't believe anything coming from our "community manager". There was supposed to be a "Halloween" themed mish/event this year that just completely disappeared and hasn't been mentioned again. AND NO I'm not talking about the 100th Hearts and Minds replay. They spoke about something similar to the old TOS episode that was spookyish.

    Kael addressed Halloween last month IIRC. They didn't have the time.
    "You don't want to patrol!? You don't want to escort!? You don't want to defend the Federation's Starbases!? Then why are you flying my Starships!? If you were a Klingon you'd be killed on the spot, but lucky for you.....you WERE in Starfleet. Let's see how New Zealand Penal Colony suits you." Adm A. Necheyev.
  • peterconnorfirstpeterconnorfirst Member Posts: 5,498 Arc User
    edited October 31
    dark4blood wrote: »
    I am all good for making Phoenix boxes account wide as almost all that stuff was originally account wide in the first place and people who came later just missed the opportunity. The regular lockboxes...no, it would basically punish all those who spent billions of EC and sometimes hundreds of dollars to get a ship on a particular character, thus almost be insulting.

    Well to be honest I am one of those who spend a lot of EC on the same items for different chars. I assume the Dynamic Power Redistributor of the respective lock box ship being the most expencive one.

    While I do spend RL money on STO to support it I do not spend it for LB stuff, still invest the time one way or the other to generate the EC.

    If the core rules now would change in a way that from this moment onwards you and I would never need to double spend again but did so in the past unnecessary, would it really be that big of a problem? :)
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  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 9,897 Arc User
    I have never tried to get a lockbox/promo ship because they are per character unlocks. If they would be account unlocks I might try at some point. If enough people share this sentiment and the data supports it in some way this might happen.pig-1.gif​​
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  • garaks31garaks31 Member Posts: 2,661 Arc User
    900m + 9k zen for ,!prome ,phoenix and box ships reclaim
    450m + 9k zen for , lobi store reclaim

    this would also help the economies
  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,627 Arc User
    edited October 31
    It's still very vague. It's not new that they are looking into it, at least that is how it seemed to me.

    My personal anecdotal experience tells me I have never bought any lobi or lockbox ship twice. It's just way too expensive, and I'd rather spend that money on buying myself an experience I haven't had yet, rather than having tho same on two characters. I actually bought some ships mostly for the traits or costume unlocks (like various Temporal ships to get more skin options for the Paradox, the Terran Crossfield to get the open hangar deck for my Prime Crossfield), though, but even then, just for one character.
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  • keladorkelador Member Posts: 318 Arc User
    edited October 31
    Would love this but never going to happen... Cryptic would loose money on the people that buy multiples of things for alts that being said I would be happy and dont see a problem with them making Lobi items account wide or even account unlocks thats something we know they can do as there has been items in the past that had the account tradable flag by mistake and they quickly patched it.
  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 7,419 Arc User
    garaks31 wrote: »
    900m + 9k zen for ,!prome ,phoenix and box ships reclaim
    450m + 9k zen for , lobi store reclaim

    this would also help the economies

    Only from people who don't know that the exchange exists.

    Lobi ships are around 200 million on the exchange. Lock box ships are 400 - 600 million.

    Even for the 1.2 - 1.4 billion EC promo pack ships your numbers are off, since 9K zen gets you 700 - 800 million EC if you buy promo packs on sale and then sell them after the sale ends.
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