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docjohn3docjohn3 Member Posts: 2 Arc User
Will you PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE PLEASE....did I mention PLEASE!!!!!! Add the Breen to the Jem/Gamma/Dominion.

You can add all the Breen ships WITHOUT the consoles, leaving them (ships)where they are for LOBI whatever sales. you can also add the old Cardi ships as well.
I mean common Cryptic the BREEN are Dominion And you might make more $ flipping Breen ships onto the Z store so people buy them for the consoles. Food for thought.

Might as well add all the other minor (gamma)species as well to the Dominion/Jem/Gamma whatever as Captain choices as well.
Would it kill ya? I know it would make the game more fun and it's not like you don't have the mesh/skins and traits for the races for all these species already made. That expands to more BoFF's/DoFF's and packs = caching, caching $$$$$$

It's a friggin' game EXPAND it please.
Oh hey and while you're already not gonna pay close attention to this post ...how about Dominion, Bajoran and Cardassian admiralty rep huh?
Give us something else to do please. oh and T6 and T6 fleet NOVA. The time has come!!!!!!!

-Doc

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    echattyechatty Member Posts: 5,914 Arc User
    Very much doubt any of this happens.
    Now a LTS and loving it.
    Just because you spend money on this game, it does not entitle you to be a jerk if things don't go your way.
    I have come to the conclusion that I have a memory like Etch-A-Sketch. I shake my head and forget everything. :D
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    tigerariestigeraries Member Posts: 3,492 Arc User
    Breen aren't from the Gamma Quad are they? So I doubt it. Even some of the races what are in the Gamma Quad are just ruled by or more accurately to say they pay tribute to the Dominion. Founders only trust their pet races, Vorta for Admin or JHD for troops. Rest are just puppets and I doubt any of em can give a Vorta or JHD orders, so storywise, it would never fly.
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    lianthelialianthelia Member Posts: 7,825 Arc User
    edited October 2019
    The Gamma recruits (And the faction) are about being part of Odo's fleet that he commanded. Odo didn't even return to the Link till the war was over. So Breen have nothing to do with the current story nor did they help with the Hurq.

    I wanted playable Vorta but for one reason or another we didn't even get that...it's unfortunate but this is how the game went. The Dominion faction was made to be JH only.
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    davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,512 Arc User
    edited October 2019
    This is verging on a demand thread.

    As mentioned: Breen are not Dominion, Jem'Hadar are the only fighting force of the Dominion.
    It's a friggin' game EXPAND it please.

    We have been getting new content all year, just like in 2018, 2017, ...
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    phoenixc#0738 phoenixc Member Posts: 5,504 Arc User
    edited October 2019
    It would be a good time to expand the Dominion to something that feels like a real demi-faction at least. Right now it feels as un-factionlike as the Cardassians because there is really nothing more to it except for a very sketchy starter scenario, and that for an endgame only novelty race that feels like nothing more than a gimmick on its own.

    Also, the Jem'Hadar are not the only fighting forces of the Dominion, they are just the only obvious, in-your-face shocktroopers. The Dominion conducts more spy/sabotage missions than they do conventional military campaigns, and the Vorta are the ones who carry the bulk of that fight (with the Founders putting their hand in occasionally for those assassinate-and-impersonate missions that a single-form solid like a Vorta cannot do).

    On top of that, every Dominion ship shown in the show where you actually see the bridge was commanded by a Vorta, not a Jem'Hadar. In the show the J'H were never anything but foot troops with an occasional exceptional J'H functioning as a noncom here and there.

    As for the "poor eyesight" thing, it does not matter for a race like the Vorta who depend more on sound than vision to "see" their surroundings.

    All in all, getting more Dominion stuff would help break up the stream of DSC stuff so it does not lead to DSC fatigue (which some people are already complaining about).
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    leemwatsonleemwatson Member Posts: 5,344 Arc User
    docjohn3 wrote: »
    Will you PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE PLEASE....did I mention PLEASE!!!!!! Add the Breen to the Jem/Gamma/Dominion.

    You can add all the Breen ships WITHOUT the consoles, leaving them (ships)where they are for LOBI whatever sales. you can also add the old Cardi ships as well.
    I mean common Cryptic the BREEN are Dominion And you might make more $ flipping Breen ships onto the Z store so people buy them for the consoles. Food for thought.

    Might as well add all the other minor (gamma)species as well to the Dominion/Jem/Gamma whatever as Captain choices as well.
    Would it kill ya? I know it would make the game more fun and it's not like you don't have the mesh/skins and traits for the races for all these species already made. That expands to more BoFF's/DoFF's and packs = caching, caching $$$$$$

    It's a friggin' game EXPAND it please.
    Oh hey and while you're already not gonna pay close attention to this post ...how about Dominion, Bajoran and Cardassian admiralty rep huh?
    Give us something else to do please. oh and T6 and T6 fleet NOVA. The time has come!!!!!!!

    -Doc

    The Breen do not join the Dominion again. This has already been addressed in-game (Quark's Lucky Seven; Fed Intel Report). There's already half a dozen Breen ships in-game as well that were made available as event ships, so there's little scope for income. The Dominion ONLY has one race that does their fighting and that's the Jem'Hadar, which are breed for the jobs and are the only ones the Founders will 'trust'. The Vorta rarely, if ever engage in actually combat as they have very poor eye-sight, before anyone says otherwise.

    And we get new content regularly.....PATIENCE!!!
    "You don't want to patrol!? You don't want to escort!? You don't want to defend the Federation's Starbases!? Then why are you flying my Starships!? If you were a Klingon you'd be killed on the spot, but lucky for you.....you WERE in Starfleet. Let's see how New Zealand Penal Colony suits you." Adm A. Necheyev.
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    lianthelialianthelia Member Posts: 7,825 Arc User
    It would be a good time to expand the Dominion to something that feels like a real demi-faction at least. Right now it feels as un-factionlike as the Cardassians because there is really nothing more to it except for a very sketchy starter scenario, and that for an endgame only novelty race that feels like nothing more than a gimmick on its own.

    Also, the Jem'Hadar are not the only fighting forces of the Dominion, they are just the only obvious, in-your-face shocktroopers. The Dominion conducts more spy/sabotage missions than they do conventional military campaigns, and the Vorta are the ones who carry the bulk of that fight (with the Founders putting their hand in occasionally for those assassinate-and-impersonate missions that a single-form solid like a Vorta cannot do).

    On top of that, every Dominion ship shown in the show where you actually see the bridge was commanded by a Vorta, not a Jem'Hadar. In the show the J'H were never anything but foot troops with an occasional exceptional J'H functioning as a noncom here and there.

    As for the "poor eyesight" thing, it does not matter for a race like the Vorta who depend more on sound than vision to "see" their surroundings.

    All in all, getting more Dominion stuff would help break up the stream of DSC stuff so it does not lead to DSC fatigue (which some people are already complaining about).

    Well they rushed it out and then rushed the Hurq story so they could move on to Discovery...the odds of them going back to it are almost none.

    I want Vorta and there is no excuse as to why they're not playable. If we have fleet admirals commanding a single ship and going on all the away missions there is no way a Vorta can't too.
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    phoenixc#0738 phoenixc Member Posts: 5,504 Arc User
    lianthelia wrote: »
    Well they rushed it out and then rushed the Hurq story so they could move on to Discovery...the odds of them going back to it are almost none.
    Neither of these are true.

    The only thing the Discovery content changed was the post ViL story which was originally going to be about Mirror Leeta's return. ViL, and the Hur'q story, are exactly what they would have been had the Dsico content been done or not, and the ViL/Hur'q plot is just as long as any other story arc in the game except DR, which have always been uniquely long.

    That is true enough, however it is still not a reason to not flesh out the Dominion into something truer to the source material rather than simply a vehicle for the "start at endgame" fad that was popular (though already beginning to fade) when Vil was being developed. The Dominion seriously needs a leveling race, and the Vorta are ideal for the part, especially since spy/undercover ops missions like "Quark's Lucky Seven" proved to be so popular and espionage is their forte. And espionage/sabotage missions would make a welcome contrast to the shallow movie action style of DSC.

    It is possible that they are waiting for the Picard show to do the deeper style missions, but again, that is not a good reason not to bring the Dominion up to realistic playable levels and head off more "DSC Dissing" as a nice side effect.
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    davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,512 Arc User
    edited October 2019
    lianthelia wrote: »
    Well they rushed it out and then rushed the Hurq story so they could move on to Discovery...the odds of them going back to it are almost none.
    Neither of these are true.

    The only thing the Discovery content changed was the post ViL story which was originally going to be about Mirror Leeta's return. ViL, and the Hur'q story, are exactly what they would have been had the Dsico content been done or not, and the ViL/Hur'q plot is just as long as any other story arc in the game except DR, which have always been uniquely long.

    That is true enough, however it is still not a reason to not flesh out the Dominion into something truer to the source material rather than simply a vehicle for the "start at endgame" fad that was popular (though already beginning to fade) when Vil was being developed. The Dominion seriously needs a leveling race, and the Vorta are ideal for the part, especially since spy/undercover ops missions like "Quark's Lucky Seven" proved to be so popular and espionage is their forte. And espionage/sabotage missions would make a welcome contrast to the shallow movie action style of DSC.

    It is possible that they are waiting for the Picard show to do the deeper style missions, but again, that is not a good reason not to bring the Dominion up to realistic playable levels and head off more "DSC Dissing" as a nice side effect.

    I have no idea how popular an all-espionage story arc would be, especially since it would probably involve acting against either the Federation or the KDF. Another problem is that after that story arc is over, your Vorta is then fighting through all the shared content as if they were Jem'Hadar.

    We had one spy arc with the Romulan story, but in it we were the good guy or gal up against the evil Tal'shiar.
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    phoenixc#0738 phoenixc Member Posts: 5,504 Arc User
    edited October 2019
    lianthelia wrote: »
    Well they rushed it out and then rushed the Hurq story so they could move on to Discovery...the odds of them going back to it are almost none.
    Neither of these are true.

    The only thing the Discovery content changed was the post ViL story which was originally going to be about Mirror Leeta's return. ViL, and the Hur'q story, are exactly what they would have been had the Dsico content been done or not, and the ViL/Hur'q plot is just as long as any other story arc in the game except DR, which have always been uniquely long.

    That is true enough, however it is still not a reason to not flesh out the Dominion into something truer to the source material rather than simply a vehicle for the "start at endgame" fad that was popular (though already beginning to fade) when Vil was being developed. The Dominion seriously needs a leveling race, and the Vorta are ideal for the part, especially since spy/undercover ops missions like "Quark's Lucky Seven" proved to be so popular and espionage is their forte. And espionage/sabotage missions would make a welcome contrast to the shallow movie action style of DSC.

    It is possible that they are waiting for the Picard show to do the deeper style missions, but again, that is not a good reason not to bring the Dominion up to realistic playable levels and head off more "DSC Dissing" as a nice side effect.

    I have no idea how popular an all-espionage story arc would be, especially since it would probably involve acting against either the Federation or the KDF. Another problem is that after that story arc is over, your Vorta is then fighting through all the shared content as if they were Jem'Hadar.

    We had one spy arc with the Romulan story, but in it we were the good guy or gal up against the evil Tal'shiar.

    You are forgetting that all Dominion ships shown in DS9, except for maybe a few suicide ships we never see the inside of, are commanded by Vorta, not Jem'Hadar. Just because part of their espionage cover was that they were supposedly meek, weak, and practically blind does not mean they actually were. Combs did such an excellent job of showing that duplicity in subtle ways that it is a shame none of it has made it into STO. In fact, that Vorta surrounded by their pack of eminently expendable living smart-weapons style is perfect for STO.

    Also, spy/sabotage/commando action stuff does work in STO, and it can be done by the "good guys" against the "bad guys" just as easily as by the "bad guys" against the "good guys". That kind of character is not necessarily evil (and in fact are more often the "good guys" in the spy genre).
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    davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,512 Arc User
    edited October 2019
    lianthelia wrote: »
    Well they rushed it out and then rushed the Hurq story so they could move on to Discovery...the odds of them going back to it are almost none.
    Neither of these are true.

    The only thing the Discovery content changed was the post ViL story which was originally going to be about Mirror Leeta's return. ViL, and the Hur'q story, are exactly what they would have been had the Dsico content been done or not, and the ViL/Hur'q plot is just as long as any other story arc in the game except DR, which have always been uniquely long.

    That is true enough, however it is still not a reason to not flesh out the Dominion into something truer to the source material rather than simply a vehicle for the "start at endgame" fad that was popular (though already beginning to fade) when Vil was being developed. The Dominion seriously needs a leveling race, and the Vorta are ideal for the part, especially since spy/undercover ops missions like "Quark's Lucky Seven" proved to be so popular and espionage is their forte. And espionage/sabotage missions would make a welcome contrast to the shallow movie action style of DSC.

    It is possible that they are waiting for the Picard show to do the deeper style missions, but again, that is not a good reason not to bring the Dominion up to realistic playable levels and head off more "DSC Dissing" as a nice side effect.

    I have no idea how popular an all-espionage story arc would be, especially since it would probably involve acting against either the Federation or the KDF. Another problem is that after that story arc is over, your Vorta is then fighting through all the shared content as if they were Jem'Hadar.

    We had one spy arc with the Romulan story, but in it we were the good guy or gal up against the evil Tal'shiar.

    You are forgetting that all Dominion ships shown in DS9, except for maybe a few suicide ships we never see the inside of, are commanded by Vorta, not Jem'Hadar. Just because part of their espionage cover was that they were supposedly meek, weak, and practically blind does not mean they actually were. Combs did such an excellent job of showing that duplicity in subtle ways that it is a shame none of it has made it into STO. In fact, that Vorta surrounded by their pack of eminently expendable living smart-weapons style is perfect for STO.

    That's true. If Garak had said he had weak eyesight and couldn't fight, we'd all know he was lying so why are we trusting Weyoun?

    The pre-alliance arc might have to be set inside the Dominion though, since many players don't want to play evil characters and (for example) attacking a starbase and killing a bunch of Federation citizens would go against that.

    "Make it pure stealth" isn't a solution since many players want STO to be an action game.

    The biggest problem is that adding new Dominion content might be for too few players to be cost-effective for Cryptic.

    Adding Picard content: 70+% of players care. Vorta story episodes? Less than 30%, possibly much less.

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    vetteguy904vetteguy904 Member Posts: 3,857 Arc User
    lianthelia wrote: »
    Well they rushed it out and then rushed the Hurq story so they could move on to Discovery...the odds of them going back to it are almost none.
    Neither of these are true.

    The only thing the Discovery content changed was the post ViL story which was originally going to be about Mirror Leeta's return. ViL, and the Hur'q story, are exactly what they would have been had the Dsico content been done or not, and the ViL/Hur'q plot is just as long as any other story arc in the game except DR, which have always been uniquely long.

    That is true enough, however it is still not a reason to not flesh out the Dominion into something truer to the source material rather than simply a vehicle for the "start at endgame" fad that was popular (though already beginning to fade) when Vil was being developed. The Dominion seriously needs a leveling race, and the Vorta are ideal for the part, especially since spy/undercover ops missions like "Quark's Lucky Seven" proved to be so popular and espionage is their forte. And espionage/sabotage missions would make a welcome contrast to the shallow movie action style of DSC.

    It is possible that they are waiting for the Picard show to do the deeper style missions, but again, that is not a good reason not to bring the Dominion up to realistic playable levels and head off more "DSC Dissing" as a nice side effect.

    I have no idea how popular an all-espionage story arc would be, especially since it would probably involve acting against either the Federation or the KDF. Another problem is that after that story arc is over, your Vorta is then fighting through all the shared content as if they were Jem'Hadar.

    We had one spy arc with the Romulan story, but in it we were the good guy or gal up against the evil Tal'shiar.

    I rather enjoyed that part of the arc. an espionage storyline would be fun, IMHO
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    baddmoonrizinbaddmoonrizin Member Posts: 10,319 Community Moderator
    The Breen are not Dominion. The devs have already stated many times that the Dominion Faction stories are a Jem'Hadar story arc that would not work for another playable race. /Thread
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