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Any chance STO will be doing BORG factions

its been almost 10 years since this game was launched i'm surprised there still is no BORG factions or fleets it would be fun flying a Tactical Borg cube as your ship don't you think...let me know what you think
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    leemwatsonleemwatson Member Posts: 5,344 Arc User
    its been almost 10 years since this game was launched i'm surprised there still is no BORG factions or fleets it would be fun flying a Tactical Borg cube as your ship don't you think...let me know what you think

    They said no to Borg Cubes for logistical reasons many, many times. And to be honest, there is already Liberated Borg faction in-game via LTS. They MAY at some point do something with Co-operative Borg but there will not a Collective faction because you will not be control.
    "You don't want to patrol!? You don't want to escort!? You don't want to defend the Federation's Starbases!? Then why are you flying my Starships!? If you were a Klingon you'd be killed on the spot, but lucky for you.....you WERE in Starfleet. Let's see how New Zealand Penal Colony suits you." Adm A. Necheyev.
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    baddmoonrizinbaddmoonrizin Member Posts: 10,319 Community Moderator
    Ah, this old chestnut again. :unamused:
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    rattler2rattler2 Member Posts: 58,018 Community Moderator
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    Like leem said... we got Liberated Borg as an option for lifers, and there is the possibility of something with the Cooperative later on down the road, but playable Borg ships are pretty much DOA, and if you really want to experience gameplay as a Borg Drone... all you need to do is get assimilated and take your hands off the keyboard while your character proceeds to attack your teammates.
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    davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,512 Arc User
    rattler2 wrote: »
    ... if you really want to experience gameplay as a Borg Drone... all you need to do is get assimilated and take your hands off the keyboard while your character proceeds to attack your teammates.

    So the people AFKing in TFOs are role-playing assimilated Borg? It all makes sense now.

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    peterconnorfirstpeterconnorfirst Member Posts: 6,225 Arc User
    edited October 2019
    I think between the concept of mini factions (Dominion/Discovery), the new Picard show's presumed theme and STO's necessity to have us spend on new characters the chances for a Borg faction with respective ships for everybody are not that bad at all. :)
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    davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,512 Arc User
    edited October 2019
    I think between the concept of mini factions (Dominion/Discovery), the new Picard show's presumed theme and STO's necessity to have us spend on new characters the chances for a Borg faction with respective ships for everybody are not that bad at all. :)

    Especially the Assimilated Borg:

    "We are the Borg. Lower your shields and escort us to your homeworld. We will join your alliance and assist you with tagging Epohhs and protecting fungi from bad Klingons."
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    chipg7chipg7 Member Posts: 1,577 Arc User
    It's no, it always has been no, and it always will be no. Until it isn't, and they do it.

    But recreating the same thread over and over and over isn't going to change anything. Seriously, is this not an FCT by now?
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    baddmoonrizinbaddmoonrizin Member Posts: 10,319 Community Moderator
    It is not. And unfortunately, it won't be due to the fact that the devs have not definitively said no, and have stated that a Cooperative Faction is a possibility in future. Until that changes, one way or the other, it's not in the FCT.
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    borg0vermindborg0vermind Member Posts: 498 Arc User
    Borg playable ships would mean the game nears its end. :D
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    thunderfoot#5163 thunderfoot Member Posts: 4,540 Arc User
    edited October 2019
    Why stop at a Borg faction? Why not ask for an Iconian faction as well? And a Voth faction. And an Undine faction. Can't forget the H'urq faction we've not yet asked for either.

    And then we'll get all those ginormous, super-bad(rhymes with donkey), warships which we all lust after with all our heart. Yeah, as long as Cryptic starts giving away the Tier 10 Tactical Cube we've always wanted. We'll finally be able to one shot all the content without so much as losing 1 HP. We'll score massive amounts of Dil every day!

    We'll finally be able to play all the TFOs on Elite! Just like all the Big Kids do!

    There is only one reason someone would want to play as Borg. They mistakenly perceive there is some type of advantage to doing so. They are operating under a pair of incorrect assumptions - the Borg ships they'd be given would function exactly the same as the NPCs, and, Cryptic would allow this.

    Playing as the Borg? No thanks, I'll pass. Waste of time. Stupid idea the first time it was entered here. Still just as stupid all these years later. Plenty of player accessible races and factions and half factions in game already. And if the broad variety we have currently isn't enough, then we just might be playing the wrong game.
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    captaincelestialcaptaincelestial Member Posts: 1,925 Arc User
    I think between the concept of mini factions (Dominion/Discovery), the new Picard show's presumed theme and STO's necessity to have us spend on new characters the chances for a Borg faction with respective ships for everybody are not that bad at all. :)

    Especially the Assimilated Borg:

    "We are the Borg. Lower your shields and escort us to your homeworld. We will join your alliance and assist you with tagging Epohhs and protecting fungi from bad Klingons."

    This is one of those posts that make me miss the post reaction that we 'tested' earlier. :)
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    captaincelestialcaptaincelestial Member Posts: 1,925 Arc User
    Borg Collective ships (whether it was the Lore-controlled independents or the Delta Quadrant Borg Collective) are suboptimal in the eyes of the Borg. They do not function with the same efficiency, prone to breakdowns, etc.

    There's plenty of multi-geometry designs that could be used for them to distinguish them from the villain Borg faction, have a bridge that's a combination of bridge lay-out of the faction/species that the Collective were harvested (pre-independence) from and Borg alcoves/interfaces.

    I remember when Victory is Life was going to be released that someone asked about Liberated Borg Jem'Hadar, which peaked an interest from the dev (it's been a while, so I forget who was sitting with AmbassadorKael :confused: ). Maybe that player character 'species' will be made available to the Dominion faction when/if the Borg Collective (mini?) Faction is released?
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    chipg7chipg7 Member Posts: 1,577 Arc User
    Borg Collective ships (whether it was the Lore-controlled independents or the Delta Quadrant Borg Collective) are suboptimal in the eyes of the Borg. They do not function with the same efficiency, prone to breakdowns, etc.

    There's plenty of multi-geometry designs that could be used for them to distinguish them from the villain Borg faction, have a bridge that's a combination of bridge lay-out of the faction/species that the Collective were harvested (pre-independence) from and Borg alcoves/interfaces.

    I remember when Victory is Life was going to be released that someone asked about Liberated Borg Jem'Hadar, which peaked an interest from the dev (it's been a while, so I forget who was sitting with AmbassadorKael :confused: ). Maybe that player character 'species' will be made available to the Dominion faction when/if the Borg Collective (mini?) Faction is released?
    Yeah, I think for the next while we're only likely to see Lib Borg expanded. Lib Borg is an LTS bonus, and there's been talk of getting the LTS stuff in place for Jem'Hadar. I'd expect Lib Jem'Hadar and a T6 vet-exclusive ship are probably in the works.

    There's almost definitely Borg content in the pipeline with ST:Picard. But Cryptic literally can't say anything about it, for obvious reasons. And that said, I'd really like to see how Picard handles the Borg before STO expands any Borg-related stuff.
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    startrekronstartrekron Member Posts: 231 Arc User
    Cryptic is only working on Discovery content for the foreseeable future (see the last roadmap) so it is high unlikely we'll see any kind of Borg content or updates anytime soon. The only hope I see for Borg stuff is the Picard series, other than that only stuff we're getting is Discovery related.
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    peterconnorfirstpeterconnorfirst Member Posts: 6,225 Arc User
    edited October 2019
    Cryptic is only working on Discovery content for the foreseeable future (see the last roadmap) so it is high unlikely we'll see any kind of Borg content or updates anytime soon. The only hope I see for Borg stuff is the Picard series, other than that only stuff we're getting is Discovery related.

    You do sound a bit pessimistic. :/

    When Discovery was new it did not take them very long to integrate elements of the show into the game. Think we basically got the new uniforms at the same time the pilot aired! Sure ships and especialy episodes with voice actors take a bit longer.

    Can you provide any roadmaps? Otherwise I don’t see anything not leading me to believe that Picard stuff will be well available by next spring already. I could even imagine the anniversary.
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    peterconnorfirstpeterconnorfirst Member Posts: 6,225 Arc User
    Oh that’s cool. :)

    So there is indeed no reason not to believe Picard will hit STO the way Discovery did back in 2017.
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    peterconnorfirstpeterconnorfirst Member Posts: 6,225 Arc User
    edited October 2019
    shadowkosh wrote: »
    Why does this topic constantly come up

    Because the majority of Trek fans like Borg and only a vocal minority in STO forums do not I suppose? You know, everybody playing always only ISA and evil DPSer making it to easy too, and all. :)
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    phoeniz1994phoeniz1994 Member Posts: 102 Arc User
    edited October 2019
    Perhaps later on with the Picard series there could be a possibility of Borg players ( no ships, absolutely No Ships) that would work like the DSC Federation players and get integrated into the Federation (or if they want to make it more ambitious,have us choose either of the three as an evolution of that), perhaps it would be a good integration of the Picard Show material (among other stuff) in the game and thus promotion. :)
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    leemwatsonleemwatson Member Posts: 5,344 Arc User
    shadowkosh wrote: »
    Why does this topic constantly come up

    Because people can't use plain and simple logic.... :astonished:
    "You don't want to patrol!? You don't want to escort!? You don't want to defend the Federation's Starbases!? Then why are you flying my Starships!? If you were a Klingon you'd be killed on the spot, but lucky for you.....you WERE in Starfleet. Let's see how New Zealand Penal Colony suits you." Adm A. Necheyev.
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    thegrandnagus1thegrandnagus1 Member Posts: 5,165 Arc User
    edited October 2019
    On a livestream in August they said a Cooperative (key word) Borg faction is LIKELY, but NOT soon:

    https://www.reddit.com/r/sto/comments/ctpaqq/ten_forward_weekly_21082019/

    To the folks who don't like this: sorry. But take solace in the fact that the money people spend on Borg faction stuff will fund your content.

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    nixie50nixie50 Member Posts: 1,268 Arc User
    Oh sure, make a playable borg factions an make the LTS even MORE meaningless...
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    chipg7chipg7 Member Posts: 1,577 Arc User
    Can you provide any roadmaps?
    The newest roadmap only goes to January, and nothing about the January update is explicitly Discovery related. The last known bit of content explicitly about Discovery is the November TFO were we are seemingly bringing down J'Ula.
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    You know Picard is only coming out at the end of January, right? And I'd be shocked if STO would be allowed to drop any major Picard content before the show airs. The most I'd expect to see before next year are uniforms, because we've seen them a couple times.

    If Picard stuff isn't on next year's roadmaps, then I'd be worried. But considering that roadmap only goes up until Picard's launch, I'd expect that's intentional so they can announce Picard stuff afterwards.
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    chipg7chipg7 Member Posts: 1,577 Arc User
    On a livestream in August they said a Cooperative (key word) Borg faction is LIKELY, but NOT soon:

    https://www.reddit.com/r/sto/comments/ctpaqq/ten_forward_weekly_21082019/

    To the folks who don't like this: sorry. But take solace in the fact that the money people spend on Borg faction stuff will fund your content.
    I think this is the only way it'd make sense. A true Borg faction, wouldn't we all be drones and just be watching cutscene after cutscene? The Borg don't think, they're a hive mind.

    At the very best, I could think of a voting system come back, where players vote on the next Borg faction's action. But people would lose their damn minds if their choice wasn't the winner, of course. But newsflash, BORG ARE A HIVE MIND. If a true Borg faction ever did come into play, it wouldn't be the OP killer-faction that players are dreaming up.

    I'd expect, if a Collective faction does come into play, that we'll have a brief tutorial-length 'Borg experience' mission or two, before we're liberated and get to actually play the character. And I think, if the Borg are going to come into the game, that'd be one of the very few ways it'd make any sense.

    Also, money's on it being a mini-faction like the Jem'Hadar. Because, like the Jem'Hadar, a Collective faction would have to take place after a specific point in the story. In this case, during Delta Rising.
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    lianthelialianthelia Member Posts: 7,825 Arc User
    Cryptic is only working on Discovery content for the foreseeable future (see the last roadmap) so it is high unlikely we'll see any kind of Borg content or updates anytime soon. The only hope I see for Borg stuff is the Picard series, other than that only stuff we're getting is Discovery related.

    You do sound a bit pessimistic. :/

    When Discovery was new it did not take them very long to integrate elements of the show into the game. Think we basically got the new uniforms at the same time the pilot aired! Sure ships and especialy episodes with voice actors take a bit longer.

    Can you provide any roadmaps? Otherwise I don’t see anything not leading me to believe that Picard stuff will be well available by next spring already. I could even imagine the anniversary.

    There was a interview on a website, I think it was just a couple months ago and I think it was with Al Rivera...he said there will be a another whole year of Discovery content unfortunately.
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    chipg7chipg7 Member Posts: 1,577 Arc User
    lianthelia wrote: »
    There was a interview on a website, I think it was just a couple months ago and I think it was with Al Rivera...he said there will be a another whole year of Discovery content unfortunately.
    HE said the current storyline, which features DSC characters/content, would continue for another year.

    Storylines in STO contain more then just one show's content.
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    And of course we'll see more Disco content. Disco's third season is happening, in a new setting.
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    bubblegirl2015bubblegirl2015 Member Posts: 830 Arc User
    Kind of ironic to see that many Borg haters in an STO genre MMO. Why the trolls? Heck I don't like the constellation ships from STO but I don't ask devs to put requests for those in FTCs and there were many? I'm actually happy devs evolved in their views and actually improved constellation ships for those who really want them . Yet, those so called Trek hard core gamers cannot take any hint of anything related to BORG? what are they doing here then? Let's tolerate diversity of what we like to see in this game please even if it's canon tiger-2.gif​​
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