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For those who say Earth shouldn't be in the Beta Quadrant...

somtaawkharsomtaawkhar Member Posts: 10,222 Arc User
edited September 2023 in Star Trek Online General Discussion
According to Star Trek Picard, it is apparently

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    davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,513 Arc User
    edited October 2019
    Yeah, but like only TOS and TNG is real Trek man! None of this new stuff is like the good old days with captains Kirk and Picar.... uh, um, it just doesn't count!
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    spiritbornspiritborn Member Posts: 4,264 Arc User
    Seriously hasn't Sol system (aka Earth) been at AQ/BQ border since forever, to point you could put it in either without much issue.
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    leemwatsonleemwatson Member Posts: 5,345 Arc User
    spiritborn wrote: »
    Seriously hasn't Sol system (aka Earth) been at AQ/BQ border since forever, to point you could put it in either without much issue.

    Yup. Borders both.
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    chipg7chipg7 Member Posts: 1,577 Arc User
    That looks like it's straight out of the good 'ol Star Charts book from 15 years ago, lol. Really cool book, lots of neat details.
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    seaofsorrowsseaofsorrows Member Posts: 10,918 Arc User
    Honestly, I never cared much.. if STO says it's in the Beta Quadrant, that's fine with me.

    STO is pretty much the only reason I care what quadrant it's in to begin with.. so whatever they say.. cool, whatever. :lol:
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    chipg7chipg7 Member Posts: 1,577 Arc User
    looks closer at the map

    Hey, where's Romulu-... Oh, right :tongue:
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    trekpuppytrekpuppy Member Posts: 446 Arc User
    Since the solar system is moving counter clockwise around the galaxy at 230 km/s, we have now moved ~357 light hours into the Beta Quadrant since the first Star Trek episode was aired. I'm perfectly fine with that map. :)
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    warpangelwarpangel Member Posts: 9,427 Arc User
    azrael605 wrote: »
    > @trekpuppy said:
    > Since the solar system is moving counter clockwise around the galaxy at 230 km/s, we have now moved ~357 light hours into the Beta Quadrant since the first Star Trek episode was aired. I'm perfectly fine with that map. :)

    Thats not how it works. That would be like the Greenwich meridian staying stationary while the planet rotated. The quadrant dividers rotate along with the galaxy.
    Right. All other stars would move in respect to the quadrants, but since Sol is one of the reference points by which the dividing line is defined, it would always be on that line.
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    spiritbornspiritborn Member Posts: 4,264 Arc User
    spielman1 wrote: »
    What is funny is that all the maps I have shown show Sol as the dividing line between the Alpha and Beta Quadrant the Federation is considered and Alpha Quadrant power I can see Sol being there, but at the same time it is also a Beta Quadrant power so I can that too. As far as the game consider the fact that there is now open space and we have load screens so Sol has to be in one or the other due to that limitation, In Star Trek world Sol is always shown on the line as to divide Alpha From Beta.

    Well alpha and Beta Quadrant sector maps are on seperate map files (hence the load screen between them) it's also why Sol is a bit off from the divider rather then on it, since if was literally on the divider it could easily cause accidental quadrant transitions and other similar issues. Cryptic knows that Sol should be on the divider but they considered painless gameplay to be more important the Sol being at the exact location.
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    trekpuppytrekpuppy Member Posts: 446 Arc User
    azrael605 wrote: »
    > @trekpuppy said:
    > Since the solar system is moving counter clockwise around the galaxy at 230 km/s, we have now moved ~357 light hours into the Beta Quadrant since the first Star Trek episode was aired. I'm perfectly fine with that map. :)

    Thats not how it works. That would be like the Greenwich meridian staying stationary while the planet rotated. The quadrant dividers rotate along with the galaxy.

    This is why you always refer to an epoch when you discuss co-ordinate systems. It's perfectly valid to define Sol well inside the Beta Quadrant with respect to the 50+ year old epoch of this co-ordinate system.

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    warpangelwarpangel Member Posts: 9,427 Arc User
    spiritborn wrote: »
    spielman1 wrote: »
    What is funny is that all the maps I have shown show Sol as the dividing line between the Alpha and Beta Quadrant the Federation is considered and Alpha Quadrant power I can see Sol being there, but at the same time it is also a Beta Quadrant power so I can that too. As far as the game consider the fact that there is now open space and we have load screens so Sol has to be in one or the other due to that limitation, In Star Trek world Sol is always shown on the line as to divide Alpha From Beta.

    Well alpha and Beta Quadrant sector maps are on seperate map files (hence the load screen between them) it's also why Sol is a bit off from the divider rather then on it, since if was literally on the divider it could easily cause accidental quadrant transitions and other similar issues. Cryptic knows that Sol should be on the divider but they considered painless gameplay to be more important the Sol being at the exact location.
    If it were on the divider, half of it would be outside the map, which probably isn't possible at all. The only way to actually make it work would be to include a slice of alpha quadrant in the beta quadrant map, which also isn't possible because Cryptic has said the map is already the maximum possible size.
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    artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
    It's on the border and can be said to be in both depending on the context. Like Russia is both European (politically) and Eurasian / Asian (geographically). The Quadrants are (presumable) set geographical regions but they will also have political connotations, such as the Federation, and Klingon and Romulan Star Empires all being referred to as the Alpha Quadrants powers in DS9 despite being, geographically, mostly in the Beta Quadrant.
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    spiritbornspiritborn Member Posts: 4,264 Arc User
    warpangel wrote: »
    spiritborn wrote: »
    spielman1 wrote: »
    What is funny is that all the maps I have shown show Sol as the dividing line between the Alpha and Beta Quadrant the Federation is considered and Alpha Quadrant power I can see Sol being there, but at the same time it is also a Beta Quadrant power so I can that too. As far as the game consider the fact that there is now open space and we have load screens so Sol has to be in one or the other due to that limitation, In Star Trek world Sol is always shown on the line as to divide Alpha From Beta.

    Well alpha and Beta Quadrant sector maps are on seperate map files (hence the load screen between them) it's also why Sol is a bit off from the divider rather then on it, since if was literally on the divider it could easily cause accidental quadrant transitions and other similar issues. Cryptic knows that Sol should be on the divider but they considered painless gameplay to be more important the Sol being at the exact location.
    If it were on the divider, half of it would be outside the map, which probably isn't possible at all. The only way to actually make it work would be to include a slice of alpha quadrant in the beta quadrant map, which also isn't possible because Cryptic has said the map is already the maximum possible size.

    To be honest I think the systems in the sector are points with an interact volume attached to them so having it be half in one and half in the other shouldn't be a major issue in and of itself (if you really wanted you could have 2 Sol systems one at the AQ map file and the other on the BQ map file), as I pointed out the problem stems (and this is what Cryptic explained the issue to be as well) at interact volume for "sector change" would overlap with the interact volume of "enter Sol system" thus giving players unwanted sector transitions and pop-ups.

    Also Sol isn't the only system with this issue in fact they moved some systems related to the AoD story so that they wouldn't cause this.
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    zedbrightlander1zedbrightlander1 Member Posts: 14,764 Arc User
    spiritborn wrote: »
    Seriously hasn't Sol system (aka Earth) been at AQ/BQ border since forever, to point you could put it in either without much issue.

    That's right. Humans are at the center of everything. :wink:
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    nixie50nixie50 Member Posts: 1,268 Arc User
    it's like the time change. half the year it's alpha quadrant half the year beta quadrant
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    ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,569 Arc User
    I've heard with the 2415 redistricting, Sol is being attached by a very thin corridor to the Epsilon Quadrant. ;)
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