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  • ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 11,417 Arc User
    They found that these FTFO Bundles were letting people get Ultimate Upgrades for less than half price. There is your reason.
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  • avoozuulavoozuul Member Posts: 2,718 Arc User
    Yes but they aren't getting keys with it.
  • salvation4salvation4 Member Posts: 1,148 Arc User
    RIP 50K on multiple characters...not like people were using that to fund character or fleet development or anything!​​

    Yup..Fleet progression with Dil is gonna fall badly..
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  • strathkinstrathkin Member Posts: 1,152 Bug Hunter
    salvation4 wrote: »
    RIP 50K on multiple characters...not like people were using that to fund character or fleet development or anything!​​

    Yup..Fleet progression with Dil is gonna fall badly..

    As many people have stated running an event on 10 or more character's feels more like a Chore.

    So hopefully they will enable not only the equipment or gear to be reclaimable per character; yet will also allow a Unrefined Dilithium cache as well, I suspect it won't be as high as the 50k reward from Events today. Yet they did 'claim' it will make "event rewards quicker" so I'm just holding out hope they have a surprise that includes some per character Dilithium.

    So I try to remain hopeful it will find the 'right' balance. o:)
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  • lexers615#4253 lexers615 Member Posts: 185 Arc User
    If I were running things, the release would have stated something like "Hey guys, your tokens are going away in a couple weeks because of a new system we are implementing for it. We are going to be compensating tokens at a rate of 3k dil, 75 fleet marks, and a box of 50 any marks per token. All projects will be auto completed and you will get the rewards for them. More details on how the new system will function coming soon."
    I like your suggestion. However, be honest, you know perfectly that this level of transparency would lead to MAJOR abuse. Like tons of shady players would create armies of dummy toons on their account only to slot the projects to latter cash them in without having worked at all. And I guess a lot of people would just slot the project, earn the tokens, and stash them to get both the free project and the compensation for the unused projects.

    This said, they need to come up with a better idea than last time.

  • skk1701jskk1701j Member Posts: 187 Arc User
    edited August 2019
    If I were running things, the release would have stated something like "Hey guys, your tokens are going away in a couple weeks because of a new system we are implementing for it. We are going to be compensating tokens at a rate of 3k dil, 75 fleet marks, and a box of 50 any marks per token. All projects will be auto completed and you will get the rewards for them. More details on how the new system will function coming soon."
    I like your suggestion. However, be honest, you know perfectly that this level of transparency would lead to MAJOR abuse. Like tons of shady players would create armies of dummy toons on their account only to slot the projects to latter cash them in without having worked at all. And I guess a lot of people would just slot the project, earn the tokens, and stash them to get both the free project and the compensation for the unused projects.

    This said, they need to come up with a better idea than last time.

    Depends on the way they do it.
    • Running Projects: Players can by missing tokens for 5-10k Dili.
    • Stockpiled tokens: Player can turn in up to 14 tokens for phoenix box.

    They should have done the announcement after the event ended or at the beginning.
    At the beginning it should be something like:
    This is the last time you can get and use tokens. There will be no further use.
    After the event it can be everything.

    Edit: The removal of the old tokens happend in june. Just 3 month later they remove the new tokens.
  • jennycolvinjennycolvin Member Posts: 457 Arc User
    Then you make another post next week, this week, next year, whatever, detailing how the system functions. Its not hard, you just have to communicate important details with people, especially if there is a quickly closing window on actions people can take regarding it.

    Agreed. They go on and on about how they want us to "play the way we want", but how can we, when they don't give us enough information to make sound decisions, (where by "sound" I mean to us personally, not in general)?
    That's the whole point: give us all the info we need in the immediate future, so that we can choose freely what to do with what we have, instead of writing a news post that vaguely announce something while leaving out all the specifics you know we're gonna ask about anyway.​​
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    Agli appartenenti al terzo tipo, invece, dico grazie. Anche se non sempre si riesce a mantenere la calma, siete quelli per cui vale la pena incazzarsi.
  • yreodredyreodred Member Posts: 3,527 Arc User
    Not excited about it tbh.
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  • jcswwjcsww Member Posts: 5,395 Arc User
    edited August 2019
  • ortikantortikant Member Posts: 32 Arc User
    As a rather very casual player I have a few questions and remarks regarding this.
    First, the questions: I understand, that as soon as I participate in any event, that event's "project" stays with me, regardless if I finish it during the event, or not. so, if I read the blog correctly, if I don't finish it during the time the event is active, I have to buy tokens with zen? If the answer to the latter question is yes, then I'll probably only bother with very few events in the future.
    Now regarding the implementation of the new system, and that touches the topic of a marketing schedule: I understand, that the goal of any marketing strategy is to build up tension, create a hype, make people excited for what's to come. Not having an answer what will happen with the remnants of the old system ready when things are announced, does the opposite of all of the above mentioned goals and, in the worst case, makes the company look incompetent, because now everyone with old slotted projects, tokens etc. now fears the update, instead of looking forward to it.
    For me, that means that I give up hope on seeing quite a few of the event ships and gear coming into my possession, although that isn't too bad for me, as I'm a lifer, and with time, I'll gather enough zen to buy me other ships. Only result this will have for me, is that when in doubt, I'll rather not log on and play, as I'll miss the shiny anyway.
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  • jennycolvinjennycolvin Member Posts: 457 Arc User
    ortikant wrote: »
    As a rather very casual player I have a few questions and remarks regarding this.
    First, the questions: I understand, that as soon as I participate in any event, that event's "project" stays with me, regardless if I finish it during the event, or not. so, if I read the blog correctly, if I don't finish it during the time the event is active, I have to buy tokens with zen? If the answer to the latter question is yes, then I'll probably only bother with very few events in the future.

    I'm sorry to say that it seems way worse than this.
    What you described is what is currently happening, meaning: you slot the event project and, if you can't finish it during the current event, you can always use tokens from future events to fill it up, complete the project and get the goods.
    You can also purchase a "buyout option" from the C-Store, which contains 10 event tokens and - probably the most important thing for some - a Universal Tech Upgrade.
    This is why myself, and many others, have stockpiled the tokens: for those times when the event was not to my liking or for when I knew I wasn't going to be able to login to get enough tokens to complete the project, (not to mention to give me breathing room from running more than two event consecutively with 10ish toons).

    With this new system, unfortunaly, it seems that we will not be able to do this.
    The news says:
    Any progress you accumulate won’t simply disappear when the event ends. This means if you have to quit an event early you don’t completely lose your progress and you can purchase a discounted reward in the Zen Store
    This seems to suggest that the only thing we'll be able to do is to buy the reward directly from the C-Store.
    No more stockpiling to complete an event at a later date.
    No more "buyout option" - probably, but I'm not sure they will not think of something similar(ish).

    And while I appreciate the idea of being able to contribute to the project by doing more than one activity again and again and again, I'm afraid this time the cons will more than surpass the pros.​​
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    - quelli che sono talmente imbesuiti da credere a qualunque cosa i dev dicano, perfino che la luna è fatta di formaggio... e vanno sul forum a trollare;
    - quelli che credono a quello a cui è giusto credere, sono d'accordo con quello con cui è giusto essere d'accordo e sono critici con quello che non va;

    Ai giocatori dei primi due tipi, gratis in omaggio un bello specchio lucente su cui arrampicarsi. E una mazzata in testa per la loro poca intelligenza e compassione verso gli altri giocatori che non la pensano come loro.
    Agli appartenenti al terzo tipo, invece, dico grazie. Anche se non sempre si riesce a mantenere la calma, siete quelli per cui vale la pena incazzarsi.
  • ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 11,417 Arc User
    The wording on these Announcement Blogs is always squirrelly at best and spurious at worst.
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  • somtaawkharsomtaawkhar Member Posts: 7,169 Arc User
    With this new system, unfortunaly, it seems that we will not be able to do this.
    https://www.arcgames.com/en/forums/startrekonline#/discussion/1250752/ten-forward-weekly-29-08-2019
    Q: What about event ships ? Like starting a project on year Y and finishing it on year Y+1 ?
    A: Because I think this is cool: Event progress won't be visible when an event ends, but it does continue tracking. So if you don't finish the winter event, next winter it will begin auto-tracking towards those rewards again.
  • jennycolvinjennycolvin Member Posts: 457 Arc User
    Cool for the Summer and Winter event. Doesn't answer the question about the normal Featured ones.​​
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    Ci sono tre tipi di giocatori:
    - quelli a cui non va mai bene niente... e vanno sul forum a trollare;
    - quelli che sono talmente imbesuiti da credere a qualunque cosa i dev dicano, perfino che la luna è fatta di formaggio... e vanno sul forum a trollare;
    - quelli che credono a quello a cui è giusto credere, sono d'accordo con quello con cui è giusto essere d'accordo e sono critici con quello che non va;

    Ai giocatori dei primi due tipi, gratis in omaggio un bello specchio lucente su cui arrampicarsi. E una mazzata in testa per la loro poca intelligenza e compassione verso gli altri giocatori che non la pensano come loro.
    Agli appartenenti al terzo tipo, invece, dico grazie. Anche se non sempre si riesce a mantenere la calma, siete quelli per cui vale la pena incazzarsi.
  • sharmutashlikha#2072 sharmutashlikha Member Posts: 158 Arc User
    With this new system, unfortunaly, it seems that we will not be able to do this.
    https://www.arcgames.com/en/forums/startrekonline#/discussion/1250752/ten-forward-weekly-29-08-2019
    Q: What about event ships ? Like starting a project on year Y and finishing it on year Y+1 ?
    A: Because I think this is cool: Event progress won't be visible when an event ends, but it does continue tracking. So if you don't finish the winter event, next winter it will begin auto-tracking towards those rewards again.
    That's good news! Now I hope for an equally good solution for the already slotted old event ships. I have last winter event's ship slotted and two anniversary ships. I hope I keep a chance of getting them!
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  • jennycolvinjennycolvin Member Posts: 457 Arc User
    Cool for the Summer and Winter event. Doesn't answer the question about the normal Featured ones.
    He didn't say it only applied to summer or winter events, he just used it as an example.
    No, it didn't use it as an example. He answered a very precise question. If he wanted it to mean "every event", then he would've worded it differently.
    But whatever.​​
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    Not agreeing with someone doesn't give you the right to be an TRIBBLE.

    Ci sono tre tipi di giocatori:
    - quelli a cui non va mai bene niente... e vanno sul forum a trollare;
    - quelli che sono talmente imbesuiti da credere a qualunque cosa i dev dicano, perfino che la luna è fatta di formaggio... e vanno sul forum a trollare;
    - quelli che credono a quello a cui è giusto credere, sono d'accordo con quello con cui è giusto essere d'accordo e sono critici con quello che non va;

    Ai giocatori dei primi due tipi, gratis in omaggio un bello specchio lucente su cui arrampicarsi. E una mazzata in testa per la loro poca intelligenza e compassione verso gli altri giocatori che non la pensano come loro.
    Agli appartenenti al terzo tipo, invece, dico grazie. Anche se non sempre si riesce a mantenere la calma, siete quelli per cui vale la pena incazzarsi.
  • sharmutashlikha#2072 sharmutashlikha Member Posts: 158 Arc User
    Cool for the Summer and Winter event. Doesn't answer the question about the normal Featured ones.
    He didn't say it only applied to summer or winter events, he just used it as an example.
    No, it didn't use it as an example. He answered a very precise question. If he wanted it to mean "every event", then he would've worded it differently.
    But whatever.​​

    I wouldn't read too much into it... Kaol isn't known as the most precise one. So until proven wrong, I keep hope that it's that way for all events.
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  • ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 11,417 Arc User
    Just see his Blogs, not known for precision or for intense proofreading.
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  • coldnapalmcoldnapalm Member Posts: 8,200 Arc User
    ltminns wrote: »
    Just see his Blogs, not known for precision or for intense proofreading.

    Or proofreading at all really. Copy editors...the most underused profession in the world it seems. Even in news articles where you would think it would be kinda important...but oh well, that is the world today.
  • ortikantortikant Member Posts: 32 Arc User
    coldnapalm wrote: »
    ltminns wrote: »
    Just see his Blogs, not known for precision or for intense proofreading.

    Or proofreading at all really. Copy editors...the most underused profession in the world it seems. Even in news articles where you would think it would be kinda important...but oh well, that is the world today.

    Well, they have to cut costs somewhere... all of them: newspapers, publishing houses, scientific journals. So I don't blame Cryptic that they are part of the hype.
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  • ilithynilithyn Member Posts: 873 Arc User
    With this new system, unfortunaly, it seems that we will not be able to do this.
    https://www.arcgames.com/en/forums/startrekonline#/discussion/1250752/ten-forward-weekly-29-08-2019
    Q: What about event ships ? Like starting a project on year Y and finishing it on year Y+1 ?
    A: Because I think this is cool: Event progress won't be visible when an event ends, but it does continue tracking. So if you don't finish the winter event, next winter it will begin auto-tracking towards those rewards again.

    So rather than just straight out tell us they hide it away in some random podcast? Makes them look even more incompetent imo.
    Also I won't be able to see how much progress I've made so how do I know when the project is completed? Sounds like very bad UI design.
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  • baddmoonrizinbaddmoonrizin Member Posts: 7,036 Community Moderator
    Alright, it's one thing to be upset and vent, but y'all can stop bashing the devs now.
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  • roguealltrekroguealltrek Member Posts: 173 Arc User
    Well i have tried to search out every option i can think of to find out more information. Including read post by others giving a list of questions asked to dev's on this. Facebook twitter and the like and recordings of live streams 10 forward's and so on.

    I still have no information to show for such activity that end up me wasting my time that i will never get back. Kind of how life works you age then die and no reloads. With this in mind has any one found more information past the we have a plan but cant say?

    At this point unless the information is being provided in the forums i have no further desire to search else where with out being provided a link of some sort to follow or even a dev pointing to some where they have given such information.

    So any one else in there search locate the how and what the plan is or have leaked the information or forget to post such information in the forum? If so i would like the link to that information. If not then it looks i am finished with trying to figure out what 51 tokens will morph in to.

    Thanks and have a good time in game or day out of game what ever the case may be.
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  • baddmoonrizinbaddmoonrizin Member Posts: 7,036 Community Moderator
    They haven't released any new information yet.
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  • saurializardsaurializard Member Posts: 3,241 Arc User
    Alright, it's one thing to be upset and vent, but y'all can stop bashing the devs now.
    Apologies, but I believe you're in the wrong timeline.

    Most of the replies in the thread in this timeline DO NOT bash the devs. Unless there has been a temporal displacement so intense that "valid criticism and inquiry of timely information that won't result in unpleasant surprises" has now become synonymous with "bashing".
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  • dracanyldracanyl Member Posts: 5 Arc User
    edited September 2019
    So with these changes to Events, we only get 50K of Dill once for the whole account, and not per Character anymore? if I'm understanding it right?

    I have 30 characters and time on my hands due to M.S. and I'm on a limited budget so being able to buy zen on a regular basis is once in a blue moon due to being on Disability benefits. But I'm rich it time so can grind out events no problem. Events have become my real only means to fund for new ships from the C - store or lock-box ships.

    So I'm hoping that the bonus Dill rewards are going to be the equivalent of what I can earn via the old event system or that's me priced out of STO for having time on my hands and multiple Characters.
  • ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 11,417 Arc User
    Running these Events on more than a few Characters per Account is the exception, not the rule. Dilitium is not the focus of this change.
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  • Alright, it's one thing to be upset and vent, but y'all can stop bashing the devs now.
    Apologies, but I believe you're in the wrong timeline.

    Most of the replies in the thread in this timeline DO NOT bash the devs. Unless there has been a temporal displacement so intense that "valid criticism and inquiry of timely information that won't result in unpleasant surprises" has now become synonymous with "bashing".

    I was wondering if we were reading the same thread myself.
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  • warpangelwarpangel Member Posts: 9,427 Arc User
    There really isn't any more information that they could give on the system itself. The article is complete. There will be a new UI, progress will be counted automatically like in the ship coupon event, bonus dil will be given for continuing after completion and it will all be account-wide. What else is there to know?

    Details about individual events and their rewards would be posted when the events actually run.
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