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  • sthe91sthe91 Member Posts: 5,405 Arc User
    edited September 2019
    I personally do not want a new faction until they actually support the factions that are already part of the Alliance like the Romulan Republic (I see more progress mentioned in this blog. I really had no problem with the dearth of Romulan Republic vessels due to the events at Virinat as well as the various wars that have been fought), the Klingon Defense Force, and Dominion (end-game faction). Otherwise, it starts getting ridiculous.
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  • thevampinatorthevampinator Member Posts: 637 Arc User
    edited August 2019
    I;d like to see more outfits. Outfits for the lessor factions. Federation has a lot but I need stuff for my romulan characters. More kdf stuff would be nice too.
    So I do agree they need to do more with what they have. Sthe91.
  • avoozuulavoozuul Member Posts: 3,196 Arc User
    edited August 2019
    I wish they could give the Cardassians a better uniform which wasn't just a low quality one lifted from an NPC, also add the rank versions along with the legate badge. One part of it has an orange gloss/specular effect while the other parts have blue gloss/specular effect, it looks so odd.
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  • phoenixc#0738 phoenixc Member Posts: 5,459 Arc User
    edited August 2019
    coldnapalm wrote: »
    tyler002 wrote: »
    The only way I could imagine a Cardassian faction that starts off allied with the Dominion working is if they're a Dominion War-era character sent to the future in some way or trapped in a time loop for decades.

    I think 2 of the 6 factions being time travellers from the past is already 1 more than we needed, though...

    You mean 2...right?

    Tyler seems to be counting subfactions as factions (possibly because of that hilariously inadequate faction definition that says that it only takes a separate starter scenario to be a faction). By that measure the Federation is three "factions" (AoY, 2409, and AoD), and the Klingons, Romulans, and Dominion each have one "faction".

    As for the Dominion and Cardassians joining forces, there have been stranger bedfellows in real life. Sure, the Cardassians would never trust the Dominion to garrison forces in their home system or important colonies again after their occupation during the war, but treaties can be made that commit them to mutual protection and fostering economic ties while specifically ruling out that kind of thing.
  • phoenixc#0738 phoenixc Member Posts: 5,459 Arc User
    edited August 2019
    but treaties can be made that commit them to mutual protection and fostering economic ties while specifically ruling out that kind of thing out.
    According to the Path to 2409 the Cardassians already did this with the Federation. In exchange for more Federation aid in rebuilding Cardassia, the Cardassians agreed to dismantle their military, only keeping a small planetary defense force, with the Federation being obligated to defend the Cardassians in the event of some outside invasion.

    Exactly. But the Federation has an unfortunate track record of running short and having to draw ships from other areas to deal with an emergency (like a new Borg invasion, the Spore war, or whatever) and they could very well draw military strength in their area down below the point that the Cardassians feel is safe, and that could result in them turning to an old ally while they rebuild their own forces, no matter how backstabby they were in the past if Garak trusts Odo enough for a limited alliance.
  • warpangelwarpangel Member Posts: 9,427 Arc User
    edited August 2019
    coldnapalm wrote: »
    tyler002 wrote: »
    The only way I could imagine a Cardassian faction that starts off allied with the Dominion working is if they're a Dominion War-era character sent to the future in some way or trapped in a time loop for decades.

    I think 2 of the 6 factions being time travellers from the past is already 1 more than we needed, though...

    You mean 2...right?

    Tyler seems to be counting subfactions as factions (possibly because of that hilariously inadequate faction definition that says that it only takes a separate starter scenario to be a faction). By that measure the Federation is three "factions" (AoY, 2409, and AoD), and the Klingons, Romulans, and Dominion each have one "faction".

    As for the Dominion and Cardassians joining forces, there have been stranger bedfellows in real life. Sure, the Cardassians would never trust the Dominion to garrison forces in their home system or important colonies again after their occupation during the war, but treaties can be made that commit them to mutual protection and fostering economic ties while specifically ruling out that kind of thing.
    How many factions there are depends on what definition of the word we use. The game, obviously, calls all the origin stories "factions," so that's 6.

    Politically speaking the Federation, Empire, Republic and Dominion are factions ("a group or clique within a larger group, party, government, organization, or the like") of the Alliance, but the TOS and Disco origins are just different ways a character to join Starfleet. So that's 4.

    Game-mechanically speaking Fed and KDF are (just a little bit) factions, with the team and fleet restrictions while the others are inevitably part of one of them. That's 2.

    And then there is the storyline which, past the initial (origin story) arcs is the same for everyone, so that's 1.

    :D
  • phoenixc#0738 phoenixc Member Posts: 5,459 Arc User
    coldnapalm wrote: »
    coldnapalm wrote: »
    tyler002 wrote: »
    The only way I could imagine a Cardassian faction that starts off allied with the Dominion working is if they're a Dominion War-era character sent to the future in some way or trapped in a time loop for decades.

    I think 2 of the 6 factions being time travellers from the past is already 1 more than we needed, though...

    You mean 2...right?

    Tyler seems to be counting subfactions as factions (possibly because of that hilariously inadequate faction definition that says that it only takes a separate starter scenario to be a faction). By that measure the Federation is three "factions" (AoY, 2409, and AoD), and the Klingons, Romulans, and Dominion each have one "faction".

    The game calls them factions. They aren't sub choices under the federation faction in character creator...and honestly that is two too many.

    That you think that is bad, if you really want to get crazy that definition would also make Delta and Gamma recruits factions of their own as well since the added scene, while trivial, technically makes their starter story uniquely different from the base faction starter story (and they have continuing though small differences from their non-recruit peers afterwards as well).

    That is one of the main reasons that factions would be better defined in terms of faction politics and support systems in conjuncton with origin, rather than just origin story differences.
  • warpangelwarpangel Member Posts: 9,427 Arc User
    I suppose they could replace the word "faction" in the character creator with "origin story" or "starting point" or whatever.

    But wouldn't it be simpler if people could just...accept the word as a quirk of STO jargon and leave it be? It's just a word, not that big a deal.
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,231 Arc User
    leemwatson wrote: »
    The Jem'Hadar slaughtered millions of Cardassians.......I very much doubt many would willing 'go over' to the JH faction, even if Odo commands them.
    I was thinking the Founders could make cloned Cardassians. :p
    A comment was made about Borg ships. If STO makes Earth, Qo’Nos, Valcan, and other famous ST worlds in the Beta Quadrant, instead of the Alpha Quadrant like TOS, TNG, and now Disc.makes it clear they are, then banking Borg ships shouldn’t be a problem. I haven’t figured out how to tell which is the front of the ship yet.. A faint glow of red and or white might work.
    REally? 'cause all the actual maps showed it as in the BQ....
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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,231 Arc User
    warpangel wrote: »
    Game-mechanically speaking Fed and KDF are (just a little bit) factions, with the team and fleet restrictions while the others are inevitably part of one of them. That's 2.
    If you want to get technical, there are actually 3 versions of Rom and Jem inside the game code. Neutral Rom and KDF actually change faction when choosing an ally, it's part of why they are so restricted prior to choosing a faction. they can't get ANYTHING faction specific at all.
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  • leemwatsonleemwatson Member Posts: 5,331 Arc User
    REally? 'cause all the actual maps showed it as in the BQ....
    This. Even in Discovery, which copied the Star Charts map except it moved the Alpha/Beta border over, Qo'nos is in the Beta quadrant. Romulus would also be in the Beta Quadrant in the Discovery map.

    Though we see in Voyager a map that shows that Earth is the defining element between the Alpha and Beta quadrants, suggesting the border was moved sometime after Discovery.

    Pretty much the border was defined, as far as I remember, back when the UFP was formed, and even my 90's ST Encyclopedia states Sol borders both the Beta and Alpha Quad. TOS was very, very vague in established borders, but as time progressed the writers kept referring to the Beta and Alpha Quads (particularly in DS9 onwards) as the Alpha Quad so as to not confuse viewers (not like it would take much effort with some).
    "You don't want to patrol!? You don't want to escort!? You don't want to defend the Federation's Starbases!? Then why are you flying my Starships!? If you were a Klingon you'd be killed on the spot, but lucky for you.....you WERE in Starfleet. Let's see how New Zealand Penal Colony suits you." Adm A. Necheyev.
  • steinbergsteinberg Member Posts: 91 Arc User
    edited August 2019
    On another note -why not just add the Discovery KDF options into the game,we have their ships,so why not just add the ingame tailor options for making them.Plus the Discover Andorians and Tellerites.for the feds
  • steinbergsteinberg Member Posts: 91 Arc User
    edited August 2019
    steinberg wrote: »
    On another note -why not just add the Discovery KDF options into the game,we have thr ships,so why not just add the ingame tailor options for making them.Plus the Discover Andorians and Tellerites.for the feds
    They plan to do this.

    The problem is that custom NPCs have their faces all sculpted as one object, so it looks better/more uniform. So just because they made a Discovery Androian, or Klingon, doesn't mean they have player usable parts for them.

    Good to hear-wonder if we will get a hair /beard option for the Disco Klingons.
  • spiritbornspiritborn Member Posts: 4,248 Arc User
    steinberg wrote: »
    steinberg wrote: »
    On another note -why not just add the Discovery KDF options into the game,we have thr ships,so why not just add the ingame tailor options for making them.Plus the Discover Andorians and Tellerites.for the feds
    They plan to do this.

    The problem is that custom NPCs have their faces all sculpted as one object, so it looks better/more uniform. So just because they made a Discovery Androian, or Klingon, doesn't mean they have player usable parts for them.

    Good to hear-wonder if we will get a hair /beard option for the Disco Klingons.
    they should have them according to canon but who knows what's the devs plans (it could be harder them we think to get the hair/facial hair options to work with them).

  • kronin#4685 kronin Member Posts: 325 Arc User
    azrael605 wrote: »
    As a non lifer I oject to giving non lifers any lifer exclusive perks.
    Give? It was suggested that they should sell it.

  • harlequinpixieharlequinpixie Member Posts: 172 Arc User
    The Tribble horde will rise, after escaping from the Azure nebula and due to all those captains coming to consult the wisest Tribble. The wisest Tribble got fed up and decided to wreak havoc in the galaxy with his horde of Tribbles, his plans eventually got on a roll after Tribblfying the U.S.S. Pastak and renamed it to the T.B.B. Tribble-fier...the story continues.


    at some point.....

    Now that is a new faction!
  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,556 Arc User
    azrael605 wrote: »
    "Give" meant "allow access to by any means outside of buying LTS". In other words, if you want LTS perks buy the LTS.

    Lifers could get a Liberated Borg Alien that uses a limited version of the alien character creation system while non-Lifers are limited to the Liberated Borg races that are currently available.

    The LTS bonus items should be a veteran reward for subscribing for 1000 days. It wouldn't affect many players, but they have spent more money in subscriptions than a Lifer has.
  • xyquarzexyquarze Member Posts: 2,114 Arc User
    starkaos wrote: »
    The LTS bonus items should be a veteran reward for subscribing for 1000 days. It wouldn't affect many players, but they have spent more money in subscriptions than a Lifer has.

    Well, the whole point of LTS is (or was, when subscriptions still were a thing) shortening down the wait time for subscription rewards and getting a discount in return for Cryptic having their money safely now and not possibly some time in two years, a frame in which players can always decide to cancel their subscription and the trickle would end. I'd say there is no need to separate between veteran subscibers and LTS players. Even more so now that the former isn't an option anymore, so another thing newer players would be locked out of.
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  • kronin#4685 kronin Member Posts: 325 Arc User
    azrael605 wrote: »
    > @kronin#4685 said:
    > (Quote)
    > Give? It was suggested that they should sell it.

    "Give" meant "allow access to by any means outside of buying LTS". In other words, if you want LTS perks buy the LTS.
    Ok, I see your point, and I respect that. The problem is that the playable Borg is the only thing I want out of the LTS package, and there's no way I'm paying $200 to get it. I really want it, and I would pay a fair price for it, but not that much. The LTS package should be such a bargain that Free players have to pay more per item to get each thing. Or, perhaps give the LTS players something else if Borg became playable and purchasable for all of us. Honestly, if people are buying the LTS package only for the playable Borg, then I think they should rethink the whole LTS deal.

  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,231 Arc User
    azrael605 wrote: »
    > @kronin#4685 said:
    > (Quote)
    > Give? It was suggested that they should sell it.

    "Give" meant "allow access to by any means outside of buying LTS". In other words, if you want LTS perks buy the LTS.
    Ok, I see your point, and I respect that. The problem is that the playable Borg is the only thing I want out of the LTS package, and there's no way I'm paying $200 to get it. I really want it, and I would pay a fair price for it, but not that much. The LTS package should be such a bargain that Free players have to pay more per item to get each thing. Or, perhaps give the LTS players something else if Borg became playable and purchasable for all of us. Honestly, if people are buying the LTS package only for the playable Borg, then I think they should rethink the whole LTS deal.
    You get a LOT of other stuff to go with it though.
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  • noemiecarnesirnoemiecarnesir Member Posts: 42 Arc User
    I don't want any new "factions" (new tutorial).
    Work on it would just drain time and energy from something more interesting, like contents for everyone and new mechanics.
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