Personally I do not know why this is an ongoing discussion, the Nova class is not that popular of a ship, and only a few that are fanatics for the design want it. Oh, and the fact that it is a sci ship makes it even worse in regards to sales.
I personally would love to see the Malachowski Class as a Tier 6 vessel - It is a beautifully designed ship and can be made to be versatile.
More people than you probably think love the Nova, including me.
You're entitled to your opinion, as we are to ours. Just because you think sci ships suck doesn't mean others don't think they suck.
Totally agreed, echatty, the Nova is the beauty regarding ships from the Voyager era of Trek.
Thank you. I believe people are entitled to think this or that ship sucks for /reasons, but there are others who love said ships and would fly them over anything else.
I know I love the Nova, and other sci ships. They definitely don't suck.
I also like cruisers and assault cruisers. Not a big fan of escorts, but I do like destroyers.
Now a LTS and loving it.
Just because you spend money on this game, it does not entitle you to be a jerk if things don't go your way.
I have come to the conclusion that I have a memory like Etch-A-Sketch. I shake my head and forget everything.
I don't know if the game forgot the ship, but I did not.
Did we have any good ideas what ships it could be paired with? If it's a Scout Vessel, maybe it could be paired with a Raider? There are at least four Bird of Preys that have no Tier 6 upgrade available. The Hegh'ta, and the Ning'tao Bird-of-Prey might be my favorites here.
I'm in the camp that thinks the Nova would be a great choice for a scout ship, and I think optimally they would release Klingon and Romulan (and in a perfect world Jem'hadar) scout ships to go with it. I could see a BoP variant being repurposed into a scout, as well as a new variant of the T'varo (something with a more Reman look to it maybe).
It'll be a Scout Sci Vessel (as per canon I guess).
But seriously folks, it's a case of when, not if.
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One thing I just noticed that is a drawback in the Nova's chance: It actually has two canon skins that need a touch up. It seems often the touch ups only happen on the artist's own time, but updating two skins on your own time might be too much. So I could imagine that an artist that really wants the ship to get done also wants it to get done well, he or she would find it difficult to find a spot in the schedule where it can work out. And maybe others at Cryptic know this as well and delay a T6 Nova further and further in hopes of a miracle appearing amidst their schedule. Like: "Hey, we only need one of these least acceptable effort KDF ships in that month, and the other ship we can basically import from the new Picard show and it doesn't need an 25th century skin because it's contemporary already!"
Or I am just making up crazy explanations to pass the time.
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was chatting with fleet mates today and realized that there was a little ship I really wanted to see updated and t6'd, my "nova" of the STO line-up and it would make a good pairing for a fed/kdf bundle with a t6 nova.... the fugly lil k'tanco dunno why but I like that lil bug. Could do w/o the fins on the bottom tho
Again, the lack of interest they've shown in this ship in particuar over the past five years means I NEVER get my hopes up anymore.
And when you also consider the lack of interest they've shown in science ships in general of late......
oh Im not getting my hopes up, thats why I called it my "nova".... as in 'cool ship that will never see love again from devs'. But thinking of bundles with kdf and maybe rom would up both ships chances by that .0000000000000000000000000001%
(yes I know it needs more 0s but I didnt want it to look too absurd)
One thing I just noticed that is a drawback in the Nova's chance: It actually has two canon skins that need a touch up. It seems often the touch ups only happen on the artist's own time, but updating two skins on your own time might be too much. So I could imagine that an artist that really wants the ship to get done also wants it to get done well, he or she would find it difficult to find a spot in the schedule where it can work out. And maybe others at Cryptic know this as well and delay a T6 Nova further and further in hopes of a miracle appearing amidst their schedule. Like: "Hey, we only need one of these least acceptable effort KDF ships in that month, and the other ship we can basically import from the new Picard show and it doesn't need an 25th century skin because it's contemporary already!"
Or I am just making up crazy explanations to pass the time.
I think they already did a quality pass on a ship with a lot of kitbash options (though I do not remember which offhand) so that is probably not the problem.
If it actually is the skin holding things up they could always do the quality pass and T6 upgrade to one of the two (in the show the ships are actually two separate sister-classes that share a lot of parts but have two entirely different mission profiles and internal arrangements). For that matter it would not be the first time they have had a special little-or-no-options high quality skin as an option alongside older, lower quality ones on the same ship.
If they wanted to get fancy and experimental they could always make the Nova and the Rhode Island a kind of "mode" ship that changes with the captain specialty though they might have to make up a third look to cover all three if they did that. The open secondary deflector would be a natural for a mainline science layout while the closed-nose would be good for a sci/tac or sci/eng hybrid that substitutes something else for the secondary deflector.
One thing I just noticed that is a drawback in the Nova's chance: It actually has two canon skins that need a touch up. It seems often the touch ups only happen on the artist's own time, but updating two skins on your own time might be too much. So I could imagine that an artist that really wants the ship to get done also wants it to get done well, he or she would find it difficult to find a spot in the schedule where it can work out. And maybe others at Cryptic know this as well and delay a T6 Nova further and further in hopes of a miracle appearing amidst their schedule. Like: "Hey, we only need one of these least acceptable effort KDF ships in that month, and the other ship we can basically import from the new Picard show and it doesn't need an 25th century skin because it's contemporary already!"
Or I am just making up crazy explanations to pass the time.
I think they already did a quality pass on a ship with a lot of kitbash options (though I do not remember which offhand) so that is probably not the problem.
If it actually is the skin holding things up they could always do the quality pass and T6 upgrade to one of the two (in the show the ships are actually two separate sister-classes that share a lot of parts but have two entirely different mission profiles and internal arrangements). For that matter it would not be the first time they have had a special little-or-no-options high quality skin as an option alongside older, lower quality ones on the same ship.
If they wanted to get fancy and experimental they could always make the Nova and the Rhode Island a kind of "mode" ship that changes with the captain specialty though they might have to make up a third look to cover all three if they did that. The open secondary deflector would be a natural for a mainline science layout while the closed-nose would be good for a sci/tac or sci/eng hybrid that substitutes something else for the secondary deflector.
The Light Crusier got a HECK of a lot of quality pass attention. In the case of that ship they:
- gave it a 25th century skin option (Reliant class)
- gave the Miranda class skin a quality pass
- - added 8a and 8b skin options
- added the parts needed to make the Saratoga variant
- added the parts needed to make the Soyuz class (Bozeman)
- gave the Centaur class a quality pass
Granted it's a starer ship - but nonetheless, all that work on that ship, yet giving a quality pass to the Nova - and the VERY similar Rhode Island - would be too much hard work?
Well, I am just posting baseless speculation to keep the thread alive, but - that they did it for one single ship once is not a sign that it's going to come easy to them to do so again. They found the opportunity to do it once in 9 years, basically. The Light Cruiser is a Starter Ship, the first ship people are going to see when they get into the game. There is a very strong business case to ensure that the first impression of the game is good - and on top of that, the Tier 6 version is still a Cruiser, a ship class people can't seem to get enough of.
Maybe the next opportunity will be the Nova, maybe it won't be 9 years (which might be an exaggeration anyway - the Galaxy had multiple costume upgrades, too, but it's also a strong case, because it's an Enterprise, and not just any one Enterprise, the Enterprise that reinvigorated the franchise)
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One thing I just noticed that is a drawback in the Nova's chance: It actually has two canon skins that need a touch up. It seems often the touch ups only happen on the artist's own time, but updating two skins on your own time might be too much. So I could imagine that an artist that really wants the ship to get done also wants it to get done well, he or she would find it difficult to find a spot in the schedule where it can work out. And maybe others at Cryptic know this as well and delay a T6 Nova further and further in hopes of a miracle appearing amidst their schedule. Like: "Hey, we only need one of these least acceptable effort KDF ships in that month, and the other ship we can basically import from the new Picard show and it doesn't need an 25th century skin because it's contemporary already!"
Or I am just making up crazy explanations to pass the time.
I think they already did a quality pass on a ship with a lot of kitbash options (though I do not remember which offhand) so that is probably not the problem.
If it actually is the skin holding things up they could always do the quality pass and T6 upgrade to one of the two (in the show the ships are actually two separate sister-classes that share a lot of parts but have two entirely different mission profiles and internal arrangements). For that matter it would not be the first time they have had a special little-or-no-options high quality skin as an option alongside older, lower quality ones on the same ship.
If they wanted to get fancy and experimental they could always make the Nova and the Rhode Island a kind of "mode" ship that changes with the captain specialty though they might have to make up a third look to cover all three if they did that. The open secondary deflector would be a natural for a mainline science layout while the closed-nose would be good for a sci/tac or sci/eng hybrid that substitutes something else for the secondary deflector.
The Light Crusier got a HECK of a lot of quality pass attention. In the case of that ship they:
- gave it a 25th century skin option (Reliant class)
- gave the Miranda class skin a quality pass
- - added 8a and 8b skin options
- added the parts needed to make the Saratoga variant
- added the parts needed to make the Soyuz class (Bozeman)
- gave the Centaur class a quality pass
Granted it's a starer ship - but nonetheless, all that work on that ship, yet giving a quality pass to the Nova - and the VERY similar Rhode Island - would be too much hard work?
Well, I am just posting baseless speculation to keep the thread alive, but - that they did it for one single ship once is not a sign that it's going to come easy to them to do so again. They found the opportunity to do it once in 9 years, basically. The Light Cruiser is a Starter Ship, the first ship people are going to see when they get into the game. There is a very strong business case to ensure that the first impression of the game is good - and on top of that, the Tier 6 version is still a Cruiser, a ship class people can't seem to get enough of.
Maybe the next opportunity will be the Nova, maybe it won't be 9 years (which might be an exaggeration anyway - the Galaxy had multiple costume upgrades, too, but it's also a strong case, because it's an Enterprise, and not just any one Enterprise, the Enterprise that reinvigorated the franchise)
No, you're right. We won't be seeing a T6 Nova any time soon. All evidence suggests that:
- Their metrics don't back it up (hence we've had NO 'pure' science ships for a while)
- No-one really cares about the ship internally (as we know, some Devs work on ships they love in their own time - so clearly none of them like the Nova class)
- it's clearly not on the schedule, and it's fair to assume that it isn't considered necessary or financially viable to do
I resigned myself to the fact that this a lost cause some time ago, and this thread has become little more than an outlet for wishful thinking.
Perhaps the Nova will get an update when the Picards series hits STO?
This program, though reasonably normal at times, seems to have a strong affinity to classes belonging to the Cat 2.0 program. Questerius 2.7 will break down on occasion, resulting in garbage and nonsense messages whenever it occurs. Usually a hard reboot or pulling the plug solves the problem when that happens.
One thing I just noticed that is a drawback in the Nova's chance: It actually has two canon skins that need a touch up. It seems often the touch ups only happen on the artist's own time, but updating two skins on your own time might be too much. So I could imagine that an artist that really wants the ship to get done also wants it to get done well, he or she would find it difficult to find a spot in the schedule where it can work out. And maybe others at Cryptic know this as well and delay a T6 Nova further and further in hopes of a miracle appearing amidst their schedule. Like: "Hey, we only need one of these least acceptable effort KDF ships in that month, and the other ship we can basically import from the new Picard show and it doesn't need an 25th century skin because it's contemporary already!"
Or I am just making up crazy explanations to pass the time.
I think they already did a quality pass on a ship with a lot of kitbash options (though I do not remember which offhand) so that is probably not the problem.
If it actually is the skin holding things up they could always do the quality pass and T6 upgrade to one of the two (in the show the ships are actually two separate sister-classes that share a lot of parts but have two entirely different mission profiles and internal arrangements). For that matter it would not be the first time they have had a special little-or-no-options high quality skin as an option alongside older, lower quality ones on the same ship.
If they wanted to get fancy and experimental they could always make the Nova and the Rhode Island a kind of "mode" ship that changes with the captain specialty though they might have to make up a third look to cover all three if they did that. The open secondary deflector would be a natural for a mainline science layout while the closed-nose would be good for a sci/tac or sci/eng hybrid that substitutes something else for the secondary deflector.
The Light Crusier got a HECK of a lot of quality pass attention. In the case of that ship they:
- gave it a 25th century skin option (Reliant class)
- gave the Miranda class skin a quality pass
- - added 8a and 8b skin options
- added the parts needed to make the Saratoga variant
- added the parts needed to make the Soyuz class (Bozeman)
- gave the Centaur class a quality pass
Granted it's a starer ship - but nonetheless, all that work on that ship, yet giving a quality pass to the Nova - and the VERY similar Rhode Island - would be too much hard work?
Well, I am just posting baseless speculation to keep the thread alive, but - that they did it for one single ship once is not a sign that it's going to come easy to them to do so again. They found the opportunity to do it once in 9 years, basically. The Light Cruiser is a Starter Ship, the first ship people are going to see when they get into the game. There is a very strong business case to ensure that the first impression of the game is good - and on top of that, the Tier 6 version is still a Cruiser, a ship class people can't seem to get enough of.
Maybe the next opportunity will be the Nova, maybe it won't be 9 years (which might be an exaggeration anyway - the Galaxy had multiple costume upgrades, too, but it's also a strong case, because it's an Enterprise, and not just any one Enterprise, the Enterprise that reinvigorated the franchise)
No, you're right. We won't be seeing a T6 Nova any time soon. All evidence suggests that:
- Their metrics don't back it up (hence we've had NO 'pure' science ships for a while)
- No-one really cares about the ship internally (as we know, some Devs work on ships they love in their own time - so clearly none of them like the Nova class)
- it's clearly not on the schedule, and it's fair to assume that it isn't considered necessary or financially viable to do
I resigned myself to the fact that this a lost cause some time ago, and this thread has become little more than an outlet for wishful thinking.
In general it feels they dont pay attention(and maybe dont read) for ships in the forums even if they got traction. I play mostly KDF side and there are also ships there in same treatment(VoQuv, Kar'fi, Kamarag etc). As for science ships you arent too much wrong. There is a "loud" crowd within STO that complains whenever a ship isnt a tactical ship. Result of this was over the last 1 and half year most c-store ships to be either tac ship(because of the loud crowd) or cruisers(cause most in movies are cruisers). If I am not wrong duringthis 1 and half year the only sci ships released were the vulcan scout event ship and a hurq ship. My sci ship uses a romulan multi-mission warbird and yesterday was checking what other T6 ship I can get him through c-store for variety. There is no point getting the gorn ships because its the KDF version of the multi-mission warbirds - in a way it would be like buying dublicates so my only basic options were Laeosa warbird and Nasjov.
So as a sci, on T6 ships, through c-store, you got 2 potential options as KDF(multi-mission gorn ship or nas'jov) and 3 as a romular(multi mission ship/warbird, nas'jov or Laeosa. You can tell there is the lukari science scout as a hybrid ship too with fleet modules but its not a "directly" c-store ship. And while I barely play on Fed side I dont think they have far more options either. Its also why my 6 chars distribution is like this: 3 tac, 2 eng and only 1 sci while initially I had planned 2 of each
Another matter is that Cryptic, our community manager included, seems to pay mostly attention on Reddit and rarely check forums so you/we may have more luck posting there than here about popular ships we want
Well looks like the T6 Nova was finally confirmed via the new road map. Also, my wish for a miracle worker T6 K'Vort is confirmed as well as a T6 Hideki. FINALLY!
When you see "TRIBBLE" in my posts, it's because I manually typed "TRIBBLE" and censored myself.
I wouldn't say "confirmed," but I can't see many other ships being so much "waited for" as this Nova... I just hope that they do them some justice... Looks, seating, specializations, etc...
Here's to hoping! *raises glass to toast*
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It would definitely be a great 10th anni addition. I love the Nova and if it comes I may just save my coupon for it.
It would be if i had not used my coupon already
Either way, while i love the Nova, for an anniversary i do not think it is a likely ship to be revealed. More likely a version of one of the federation/klingon flagships and not a small ship such as the Nova.
This program, though reasonably normal at times, seems to have a strong affinity to classes belonging to the Cat 2.0 program. Questerius 2.7 will break down on occasion, resulting in garbage and nonsense messages whenever it occurs. Usually a hard reboot or pulling the plug solves the problem when that happens.
It would definitely be a great 10th anni addition. I love the Nova and if it comes I may just save my coupon for it.
It would be if i had not used my coupon already
Either way, while i love the Nova, for an anniversary i do not think it is a likely ship to be revealed. More likely a version of one of the federation/klingon flagships and not a small ship such as the Nova.
We dont know if they mean sold ships, lockbox ships, promobox ships, event ships or c-store ones. They can basically add a ship in each category I mentioned because its 10th(milestone) anniversary and the one you want to be the event one - who knows
It would definitely be a great 10th anni addition. I love the Nova and if it comes I may just save my coupon for it.
Doubt it will ever come, they have other ships in the lineup that would probably produce better revenue for Cryptic, doubt a sci ship like the tiny Nova will give off high revenue numbers.
This program, though reasonably normal at times, seems to have a strong affinity to classes belonging to the Cat 2.0 program. Questerius 2.7 will break down on occasion, resulting in garbage and nonsense messages whenever it occurs. Usually a hard reboot or pulling the plug solves the problem when that happens.
Personally I do not know why this is an ongoing discussion, the Nova class is not that popular of a ship, and only a few that are fanatics for the design want it. Oh, and the fact that it is a sci ship makes it even worse in regards to sales.
I personally would love to see the Malachowski Class as a Tier 6 vessel - It is a beautifully designed ship and can be made to be versatile.
I would say the Nova is far more popular than some of the recent more obscure designs. Canon ships that had a considerable amount of screen time will always have their fanbase and there's no doubt in my mind that a T6 Nova with decent enough trait and console would sell very well.
They did not forget about it. We'll see next year.
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I personally would love to see the Malachowski Class as a Tier 6 vessel - It is a beautifully designed ship and can be made to be versatile.
You're entitled to your opinion, as we are to ours. Just because you think sci ships suck doesn't mean others don't think they suck.
Totally agreed, echatty, the Nova is the beauty regarding ships from the Voyager era of Trek.
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Thank you. I believe people are entitled to think this or that ship sucks for /reasons, but there are others who love said ships and would fly them over anything else.
I know I love the Nova, and other sci ships. They definitely don't suck.
I also like cruisers and assault cruisers. Not a big fan of escorts, but I do like destroyers.
It'll be a Scout Sci Vessel (as per canon I guess).
But seriously folks, it's a case of when, not if.
Or I am just making up crazy explanations to pass the time.
oh Im not getting my hopes up, thats why I called it my "nova".... as in 'cool ship that will never see love again from devs'. But thinking of bundles with kdf and maybe rom would up both ships chances by that .0000000000000000000000000001%
(yes I know it needs more 0s but I didnt want it to look too absurd)
I think they already did a quality pass on a ship with a lot of kitbash options (though I do not remember which offhand) so that is probably not the problem.
If it actually is the skin holding things up they could always do the quality pass and T6 upgrade to one of the two (in the show the ships are actually two separate sister-classes that share a lot of parts but have two entirely different mission profiles and internal arrangements). For that matter it would not be the first time they have had a special little-or-no-options high quality skin as an option alongside older, lower quality ones on the same ship.
If they wanted to get fancy and experimental they could always make the Nova and the Rhode Island a kind of "mode" ship that changes with the captain specialty though they might have to make up a third look to cover all three if they did that. The open secondary deflector would be a natural for a mainline science layout while the closed-nose would be good for a sci/tac or sci/eng hybrid that substitutes something else for the secondary deflector.
Well, I am just posting baseless speculation to keep the thread alive, but - that they did it for one single ship once is not a sign that it's going to come easy to them to do so again. They found the opportunity to do it once in 9 years, basically. The Light Cruiser is a Starter Ship, the first ship people are going to see when they get into the game. There is a very strong business case to ensure that the first impression of the game is good - and on top of that, the Tier 6 version is still a Cruiser, a ship class people can't seem to get enough of.
Maybe the next opportunity will be the Nova, maybe it won't be 9 years (which might be an exaggeration anyway - the Galaxy had multiple costume upgrades, too, but it's also a strong case, because it's an Enterprise, and not just any one Enterprise, the Enterprise that reinvigorated the franchise)
Perhaps the Nova will get an update when the Picards series hits STO?
In general it feels they dont pay attention(and maybe dont read) for ships in the forums even if they got traction. I play mostly KDF side and there are also ships there in same treatment(VoQuv, Kar'fi, Kamarag etc). As for science ships you arent too much wrong. There is a "loud" crowd within STO that complains whenever a ship isnt a tactical ship. Result of this was over the last 1 and half year most c-store ships to be either tac ship(because of the loud crowd) or cruisers(cause most in movies are cruisers). If I am not wrong duringthis 1 and half year the only sci ships released were the vulcan scout event ship and a hurq ship. My sci ship uses a romulan multi-mission warbird and yesterday was checking what other T6 ship I can get him through c-store for variety. There is no point getting the gorn ships because its the KDF version of the multi-mission warbirds - in a way it would be like buying dublicates so my only basic options were Laeosa warbird and Nasjov.
So as a sci, on T6 ships, through c-store, you got 2 potential options as KDF(multi-mission gorn ship or nas'jov) and 3 as a romular(multi mission ship/warbird, nas'jov or Laeosa. You can tell there is the lukari science scout as a hybrid ship too with fleet modules but its not a "directly" c-store ship. And while I barely play on Fed side I dont think they have far more options either. Its also why my 6 chars distribution is like this: 3 tac, 2 eng and only 1 sci while initially I had planned 2 of each
Another matter is that Cryptic, our community manager included, seems to pay mostly attention on Reddit and rarely check forums so you/we may have more luck posting there than here about popular ships we want
Here's to hoping! *raises glass to toast*
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It would be if i had not used my coupon already
Either way, while i love the Nova, for an anniversary i do not think it is a likely ship to be revealed. More likely a version of one of the federation/klingon flagships and not a small ship such as the Nova.
We dont know if they mean sold ships, lockbox ships, promobox ships, event ships or c-store ones. They can basically add a ship in each category I mentioned because its 10th(milestone) anniversary and the one you want to be the event one - who knows
Doubt it will ever come, they have other ships in the lineup that would probably produce better revenue for Cryptic, doubt a sci ship like the tiny Nova will give off high revenue numbers.
Do you have link for that reveal?
I would say the Nova is far more popular than some of the recent more obscure designs. Canon ships that had a considerable amount of screen time will always have their fanbase and there's no doubt in my mind that a T6 Nova with decent enough trait and console would sell very well.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'