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Heavy dual phaser emitter still garbage?
lexusk19
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I saw they buffed it, but it only does 400 more damage then a beam array and the DPS on it is like 300 less then a beam array. Whats the point in this weapon? Seems terrible.
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https://sto.gamepedia.com/Lorca's_Ambition#Phaser_Variant
Without knowing that much the whole discussion is pointless.
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The topic said Heavy dual phaser emitter, different name.
The reason is because it barely does any more damage to a normal beam array, despite supposing to be a heavier version of dual beam banks. This means that its even more inferior to a proper dual beam bank. The comparison to beam arrays is meant to demonstrate this.
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But its not better than normal dual beam banks. Its worse than them and worse than regular beam arrays. That's the issue
Yeah, people really seem to be missing the point.
This DBB sucks compared to other DBB's. It's just an inferior version of a DBB that you could craft or grab off the exchange. As far as taking steps toward making DBB's better (which I was hoping this was) it's a step backward.
Beyond needing it for set bonus, there is absolutely no reason to use this weapon in it's current form. It desperately needs a significant buff. This thing should be to DBB's what the Terran Task Force Dual Cannon is to Cannon builds. Instead, it's just something that comes out to a functional waste of a weapon slot.
Surly a heavy weapon at the very lest should hit harder per hit even if the DPS is not better.
Its a poor comparison, anything can have a +6% crit chance with reengineering and in fact its usually a terrible idea, you don't want bonus crit chance on your weapons, you want consoles for that. And the bonus damage is negligible at best, its not enough to make it worth using, you're better off with a normal dual beam bank or array.
I'll have to look it over again, I'll admit I didn't give this item much attention because it just looked bland to me.
The power of this buff depends on a lot of factors, like duration and how rapidly you can build 'stacks.' Overall, I am hoping it ends up being a desirable weapon, I believe that Dual Beams are in a fairly bad place right now and I was hoping this would be the first step toward giving them a bit of a boost.
I am not currently optimistic on this item, but I have been proven wrong many times in the past.
On my ENG Toon..This is off the weapons tray..Plus I have re-engineered it to (CrtD)(CrtH)x2 (Dmg)
The Wide angle Dual Beam Bank MKXIII UR 1666.8 Phaser damage (889DPS) @ Balanced power levels..
Fleet Phaser Array MKXV UR 1529.1 phaser Damage (1223.3DPS) @ Balanced power levels..
137.7 damage difference..334.3DPS difference
The Wide angle Dual Beam Bank MKXIII UR 2036.9 Phaser damage (1086.3DPS) @ Max weapon power levels..
Fleet Phaser Array MKXV UR 1870.3 phaser Damage (1496.3DPS) @ Max Weapon power levels..
166.6 damage difference..410DPS Difference..
Will update once I upgrade to MKXV..But its looking woefully out gunned by a beam array and standard DBB..Will run a parser to see the damage and if the stacking Crit is worth anything..
Adu-Uss Firefox NCC-93425-F (LVL 65 FED AoY ENG) UR/VR MKXV Fleet Intel Assault Cruiser (July 2016)
Jean-Uss Seratoga Ravenna (LVL 60 FED Delta ENG) UC/R MKVI Bajoran Escort (April 2018)
Dubsa-RRW Mnaudh (LVL 50 FED allied ROM Delta ENG) Warbird (May 2018)
Marop-IKS Orunthi (LVL 50 KNG Delta ENG) BoP (May 2018)
Kanak'lan-TRIBBLE (LVL 65 DOM Gamma ENG) TRIBBLE (June 2018)
You are comparing Mark XIII weapon with a Mark XV weapon. And the marks beyond Mark XII tend to add more damage.
I unlocked the Dark Matter Torp and the Heavy DBB on my Discovery Eracharacter and already upgraded to Mark XV. I'll have to check and look at the same mark levels. Not sure I can also check the same rarity levels and similar mods, though.
- Phaser Wide Angle Dual Heavy Beam Bank Mk XV [CrtH]3x3 [DMG] 1395.1 Phaser Damage and (724.8 DPS). The weapon also has a +10 Crit Severity Bonus that does seem to be innate and not come from any of my abilities or its modifiers.
- Sensor-Linked Phaser Beam Array Mk XV [CrtH]x4: 1018.8 Phaser Damage (815.1 DPS)
So DPS is lower, damage per shot higher, and apparently there is a Crit Severity bonus built in, similar to Dual Heavy Cannons.Attack weapon are at 125/100
Balanced weapons are 83/50
Adu-Uss Firefox NCC-93425-F (LVL 65 FED AoY ENG) UR/VR MKXV Fleet Intel Assault Cruiser (July 2016)
Jean-Uss Seratoga Ravenna (LVL 60 FED Delta ENG) UC/R MKVI Bajoran Escort (April 2018)
Dubsa-RRW Mnaudh (LVL 50 FED allied ROM Delta ENG) Warbird (May 2018)
Marop-IKS Orunthi (LVL 50 KNG Delta ENG) BoP (May 2018)
Kanak'lan-TRIBBLE (LVL 65 DOM Gamma ENG) TRIBBLE (June 2018)
So, good or bad?, i'm on the fence on that weapon..
Its bad, you're better off with a normal dual beam bank or a beam array. Unlike how dual heavy cannons are an improvement upon dual cannons, the heavy dual beam bank seems to be worse than the standard dual beam banks.
I see, thanks.. i'll wait to see if Cryptic does an aditional improvement on that weapon..
Ok, then i'll try to test it.. as soon as i unlock it in the rep..
It won't, it will barely if anything put it up to par with normal dual beam banks then. If you're running a good dps build then you'll wind up doing less damage even with that.
In its current state it needs a base increase of like 20% damage without a buff in order for it to be worth using. That might be a bit much but it needs way more than the paltry buff they gave it.