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valoreahvaloreah Member Posts: 10,691 Arc User
Ok so - this is how HBO decided to end this series? I cannot believe this is how they wanted to send this series off.

Dany never "breaking the wheel"
Tyrion crying over the death of the sister who tried to kill him on numerous occasions?
Brienne finishing the entry in the Kingsguard book for Jaime? She should be writing her OWN story, not his. The man was a complete jerk.
Bran becomes king?? If you think about it, he is the most evil character there is. He is the three-eyed raven and saw all of this happen... and let it all happen anyway.

This episode stunk IMO. What a let down :(
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  • theraven2378theraven2378 Member Posts: 5,808 Arc User
    I did not mind it, Dany had to die for her slaughter of innocents.
    Jon did the most Honorable thing he could have done and killed Dany before she could kill any more innocents
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    • thay8472thay8472 Member Posts: 5,901 Arc User
      I did not mind it, Dany had to die for her slaughter of innocents.
      Jon did the most Honorable thing he could have done and killed Dany before she could kill any more innocents

      TRIBBLE that ... murder them all!
    • valoreahvaloreah Member Posts: 10,691 Arc User
      edited May 2019
      I did not mind it, Dany had to die for her slaughter of innocents.
      Jon did the most Honorable thing he could have done and killed Dany before she could kill any more innocents

      And who put all those people in harms way as human shields?

      What about all the good she did for the slaves in Slavers Bay or Mereen? That stuff doesn't count?

      If anyone is to blame, it's Bran. He is the most evil one of them all. He had a vision way back when of the shadow of Drogon over Kings Landing. He saw this coming - and did not lift a finger to stop it.

      And he is going to be the "good" king??
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    • theraven2378theraven2378 Member Posts: 5,808 Arc User
      thay8472 wrote: »
      I did not mind it, Dany had to die for her slaughter of innocents.
      Jon did the most Honorable thing he could have done and killed Dany before she could kill any more innocents

      TRIBBLE that ... murder them all!

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      • valoreahvaloreah Member Posts: 10,691 Arc User
        ^ Still doesn't negate all the good she has done.
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      • theraven2378theraven2378 Member Posts: 5,808 Arc User
        Jon did the right and honorable thing even if it cost him in the long run
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        • valoreahvaloreah Member Posts: 10,691 Arc User
          Jon did the right and honorable thing even if it cost him in the long run

          I disagree. He did not afford her the benefit of the doubt that he begged her to have. Where is his mercy?
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        • theraven2378theraven2378 Member Posts: 5,808 Arc User
          Dany showed no mercy to King's Landing
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          • valoreahvaloreah Member Posts: 10,691 Arc User
            Dany showed no mercy to King's Landing

            Yes, I know that.

            My questions was where was the mercy for her? She did a whole lot of good things throughout her run in the series. None of that counts?

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          • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,894 Arc User
            And who put all those people in harms way as human shields?
            What human shields? Cersei's troop had surrendered. Every civilian that died after that - except perhaps people in the way of capturing Cersei - were unwarranted murders. They were not even collateral damage. They were just burned for nothing.
            valoreah wrote: »
            Dany showed no mercy to King's Landing

            Yes, I know that.

            My questions was where was the mercy for her?
            Yes, there was mercy. He gave her a moment of happiness and killed her before things could spiral out of control. That was pretty much the nicest way to deal with her.
            She did a whole lot of good things throughout her run in the series. None of that counts?
            Yes, it counts. By stopping her now it is ensured that she won't squander her own legacy of freeing slaves and helping beat the Night King by slaughtering the very same people she saved.
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          • valoreahvaloreah Member Posts: 10,691 Arc User
            What human shields?

            It was expressly stated Cersei brought them into the city to deter the invading army.

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          • neoakiraiineoakiraii Member Posts: 7,462 Arc User
            edited May 2019
            On a side note...Danny had what could pass as a Romulan uniform , and Sansa had what could be a Klingon uniform
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          • redvengeredvenge Member Posts: 1,425 Arc User
            valoreah wrote: »
            Ok so - this is how HBO decided to end this series? I cannot believe this is how they wanted to send this series off.

            Dany never "breaking the wheel"
            Tyrion crying over the death of the sister who tried to kill him on numerous occasions?
            Brienne finishing the entry in the Kingsguard book for Jaime? She should be writing her OWN story, not his. The man was a complete jerk.
            Bran becomes king?? If you think about it, he is the most evil character there is. He is the three-eyed raven and saw all of this happen... and let it all happen anyway.

            This episode stunk IMO. What a let down :(
            My understanding is that the showrunners had the "cliff notes" of where the books would try to end up; they then wrote backwards to get the characters to the "cliff notes" endpoint... in 13 episodes or so. I think they rushed the show to a conclusion when they should have taken considerably more time to get to the "cliff notes" ending. Either that or deviate from the book to provide an ending for the characters as they were.
          • valoreahvaloreah Member Posts: 10,691 Arc User
            edited May 2019
            redvenge wrote: »
            My understanding is that the showrunners had the "cliff notes" of where the books would try to end up; they then wrote backwards to get the characters to the "cliff notes" endpoint... in 13 episodes or so. I think they rushed the show to a conclusion when they should have taken considerably more time to get to the "cliff notes" ending. Either that or deviate from the book to provide an ending for the characters as they were.

            I agree with you in that the conclusion was rushed. It felt very rushed to me. I can totally understand wanting to make the arc for Dany into good gone bad. Her rise to power was compelling - the descent into madness, not so much. They spent 7 years building her up as the one to "break the wheel" and make the world a better place. Its what drew everyone to her and made her such a fantastic character IMO.

            The writers took that seven year buildup and crapped on it in the span of minutes in the final 2 episodes. I think this is what I dislike about it - not necessarily that she became what she sought to destroy. If the final season had another six or seven episodes to ease into that, it would have worked better.

            I also very much despise watching Brienne writing that final entry for Jamie. I'm sorry, but the man was an TRIBBLE. She is far, far, far more worthy to be written into that book than he is. It cheapened her character arc IMO.
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          • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,894 Arc User
            edited May 2019
            valoreah wrote: »
            What human shields?

            It was expressly stated Cersei brought them into the city to deter the invading army.

            As I said - once the troops have surrendered, you can't call civilians in the city "human shields" anymore. There is no need to burn down the entire city. People in the Red Keep might still qualify, because you might have to attack the Keep to get the queen.
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          • valoreahvaloreah Member Posts: 10,691 Arc User
            As I said - once the troops have surrendered, you can't call civilians in the city "human shields" anymore. There is no need to burn down the entire city. People in the Red Keep might still qualify, because you might have to attack the Keep to get the queen.

            I never disagreed that she should not have burned everyone. I'm saying there is a degree of culpability on the part of Cersei since she is the one who ordered the civilians into the city in the first place.



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          • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,230 Arc User
            valoreah wrote: »
            I also very much despise watching Brienne writing that final entry for Jamie. I'm sorry, but the man was an TRIBBLE. She is far, far, far more worthy to be written into that book than he is. It cheapened her character arc IMO.
            Look at the armor she's wearing in that scene. It's her JOB to write in the book now. Her character arc is basically "you're the most important knight in the land" now.
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          • garaks31garaks31 Member Posts: 2,825 Arc User
            they used the hype of the first 6 seasons to get away with last 2. cut episode numbers, scenario quality fall, budget probably too... they doomed the prequel show, with these actions. the fans will remember...
          • coldnapalmcoldnapalm Member Posts: 9,245 Arc User
            Danny deserved death the moment she said they don't get to decide, I get to decide. That makes her a tyrant that she has said needs to be removed from the world. So she was removed by those loyal to her dream before she shattered the dream herself. I mean the last two season was pretty much fecal matter...but the ending makes sense from what has been happening in those last two seasons. The trouble is...the last two season makes no bloody sense.
          • theraven2378theraven2378 Member Posts: 5,808 Arc User
            Sansa using what Littlefinger taught taught her and her experience of Cersei and Joffrey to become Queen in the North was expected
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            • valoreahvaloreah Member Posts: 10,691 Arc User
              Look at the armor she's wearing in that scene. It's her JOB to write in the book now. Her character arc is basically "you're the most important knight in the land" now.

              Yes, that is exactly the point. She IS the most important Knight in the land. So where is her entry in the book?
              coldnapalm wrote: »
              Danny deserved death the moment she said they don't get to decide, I get to decide. That makes her a tyrant that she has said needs to be removed from the world. So she was removed by those loyal to her dream before she shattered the dream herself. I mean the last two season was pretty much fecal matter...but the ending makes sense from what has been happening in those last two seasons. The trouble is...the last two season makes no bloody sense.

              I don't disagree. My preference would have been different, however I understand the writers wanted to turn her into another "mad" Targaryen. It was much, much too abrupt IMO - would have worked better if they eased into it.
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            • evilmark444evilmark444 Member Posts: 5,837 Arc User
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              valoreah wrote: »
              Look at the armor she's wearing in that scene. It's her JOB to write in the book now. Her character arc is basically "you're the most important knight in the land" now.

              Yes, that is exactly the point. She IS the most important Knight in the land. So where is her entry in the book?

              Shouldn't whoever follows her write her entry to avoid it sounding biased?
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            • valoreahvaloreah Member Posts: 10,691 Arc User
              Shouldn't whoever follows her write her entry to avoid it sounding biased?

              Why does it have to be someone who follows her? Surely there is enough of her history and good deeds for somebody to write about her now. Doesn't have to be her doing the writing.
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            • coldnapalmcoldnapalm Member Posts: 9,245 Arc User
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              valoreah wrote: »
              Look at the armor she's wearing in that scene. It's her JOB to write in the book now. Her character arc is basically "you're the most important knight in the land" now.

              Yes, that is exactly the point. She IS the most important Knight in the land. So where is her entry in the book?

              Not sure if it was mentioned in the show, but I could have sworn another kingsguard/queensguard has to be the one to pen in what you did into the book. If you could do it yourself, Jaime would not been so concerned about the lack of items after he killed the king in the book. I do know he did share that concern with Brienne in the show before she get's sent off. So...no she won't have her own entry into the book...at least until Bran gets more kingsguard...which we don't see yet. Or there may even be one of her already there is there are more knigsguard around...but she would not be the one to pen anything into that entry.
            • valoreahvaloreah Member Posts: 10,691 Arc User
              coldnapalm wrote: »
              Not sure if it was mentioned in the show, but I could have sworn another kingsguard/queensguard has to be the one to pen in what you did into the book. If you could do it yourself, Jaime would not been so concerned about the lack of items after he killed the king in the book. I do know he did share that concern with Brienne in the show before she get's sent off. So...no she won't have her own entry into the book...at least until Bran gets more kingsguard...which we don't see yet. Or there may even be one of her already there is there are more knigsguard around...but she would not be the one to pen anything into that entry.

              I seem to remember the same thing - someone else has to write it. That doesn't stop anyone else from writing about Brienne though. Seems strange to me that Bran would have picked a Hand and his small council members - but have no Kingsguard?
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            • evilmark444evilmark444 Member Posts: 5,837 Arc User
              valoreah wrote: »
              Seems strange to me that Bran would have picked a Hand and his small council members - but have no Kingsguard?

              I thought Brienne WAS the new Kingsguard?
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            • valoreahvaloreah Member Posts: 10,691 Arc User
              I thought Brienne WAS the new Kingsguard?

              Was my understanding there was more than one of them.

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            • theraven2378theraven2378 Member Posts: 5,808 Arc User
              Poddrick Payne as well, great character throughout.
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              • westx211westx211 Member Posts: 41,019 Arc User
                The whole Dany turning evil for no reason thing was TRIBBLE and kind of ruins the series for me.
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              • coldnapalmcoldnapalm Member Posts: 9,245 Arc User
                valoreah wrote: »
                I thought Brienne WAS the new Kingsguard?

                Was my understanding there was more than one of them.

                He hasn't picked out an entire small council yet as they list off some vacancies. So picking out more kingsguard could be a bit less pressing when you are a seer and can see the future than getting people to run the kingdom. Regardless I don't think they show anyone else other than her.
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