I would have thought we would have a bunch of new ones by now, instead it seems abandoned. I would like to see some new stuff here. How about everyone else?
Cardassian and/or Dominion
Discovery and/or Section 31
Thoughts on these or other?
It'd have to offer something unique. We have two that give out Dilithium for their 10/10, so anything new would have to compete with that to be worthwhile. I barely touch the Fed or Rom Campaigns on most of my toons, preferring to switch toons if I have both Dil giving Campaigns kicked on a given toon. The Rom upgrades and Fed Spec points aren't worth it compared to keeping my Dil topped off, with rare exceptions like needing Spec points on my Jem for it's recruitment goals.
Other than Ship Coupons or Fleet Ship Modules, I can't really think of anything that'd peek my interest enough to run through repeatedly.
Dominion/Cardassian could make sense but DSC/S31 makes no sense what so ever, Discovery is set in the 2250s while STO is set 2409-2410, as for section 31 they're still "technically illegal" in the 25th century (like in the 24th) so they wouldn't be giving any admirality missions.
If they created unique rewards for them, sure more the merrier.
If they'd just be duplicating existing campaings like the ferengi duplicates the klingon one...well I suppose 2 dil campaigns do not yet entirely 100% guarantee hitting the refining quota every single day without doing anything else at all.
When I start Admiralty Campaigns on a Character I concentrate on Federation, both for the high XP and the Specialization Points. Romulan is usually my least priority.
The one problem with the Federation Campaign shows up when you've maxed out all Specializations. Instead of giving you the Spec Points you get 5,760 Dilitium instead for the 10 of 10. Pathetic compared to the KDF and Ferengi 10 of 10 Rewards.
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Dominion/Cardassian, yes, we need one, but Discovery or TOS, does not make any sense, unless, a new Temporal Operations Admiralty campaing is created, with missions that have to correct temporal anomalies, you are a temporal operative, after all..
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I agree it would have to be something new. Fed rewards the Specialization Points. Rom give you the upgrade token. Klink AND Ferengi give the dilithium dumps (and Ferengi give you Latinum too). so a new admiralty would need to be a new reward. 2 T6 ship tokens towards the "free ship"? Or perhaps lobi? Maybe 20 Lobi at level 10, or 50? So you COULD in theory, earn enough lobi "free" to buy a lobi ship? Eventually. Idk. Assuming that would never happen bc the actual money draw is too strong to get lobi only from lockboxes. But another new one to just dump more dilithium as a reward....meh. So for the new mechanics in game, I could see them actually doing:
1) T6 "free ship" tokens
2) A pool of points towards your personal endeavors jazz
3) Phoenix prize packs
4) Another dilithium prize...
Unlikely rewards:
1) Lobi
2) "free ship" tokens based off the new T6 free ship reward, but for previous reward ships. Would have to reward like 50 at a time, so you would need to complete it 16 - 20 times or something, but would allow you to get ships similar to how the Phoenix pack does. Same penalty as far as player only reward, NOT account unlock.
I would have thought we would have a bunch of new ones by now, instead it seems abandoned. I would like to see some new stuff here. How about everyone else?
Cardassian and/or Dominion
Discovery and/or Section 31
Thoughts on these or other?
I like all of those, and I'll add Temporal and subfaction ones like Orion Syndicate, Nausicaans, Gorn, Leatheans, Ferasans, Talaxians, Trill.
But another new one to just dump more dilithium as a reward....meh. So for the new mechanics in game, I could see them actually doing:
1) T6 "free ship" tokens
I don't see that happening. Besides, we get a free T6 3 times a year already. Winter, Anniversary, and Summer.
2) A pool of points towards your personal endeavors jazz
Don't really see how useful that is.
3) Phoenix prize packs
Not gonna happen as Phoenix Boxes are one of the major methods of balancing the DL Exchange.
4) Another dilithium prize...
Don't really need any more sources of DL. We need balancing factors to keep the exchange at a reasonable rate.
Unlikely rewards:
1) Lobi
You're right. Its unlikely. Especially since they dropped the free Lobi from FE Replays... and... FE Replays in general for the time being.
2) "free ship" tokens based off the new T6 free ship reward, but for previous reward ships. Would have to reward like 50 at a time, so you would need to complete it 16 - 20 times or something, but would allow you to get ships similar to how the Phoenix pack does. Same penalty as far as player only reward, NOT account unlock.
How is this different from your previous number 1 of a T6 free ship token?
Considering that it is a 2 year grind, shortening it would probably be welcome to completionist players, and also to those who do not run their dailies daily. Would depend on the amount though, but that's true for all of these.
How is this different from your previous number 1 of a T6 free ship token?
I think the first was meant to be past event ships, the second was asking for C Store ship coupons.
That being said, I don't think we need more admiralty campaigns. For one, it becomes more and more stretched lore wise, already wasn't a friend of the Ferengi one for this reason, and then it would shift the balance between office work and actual game play even more (granted, you still only have 9 slots, so if you're running admiralty daily you'll just be running it somewhere else, but for completionists generally happy after having filled a campaign it would be).
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Considering that it is a 2 year grind, shortening it would probably be welcome to completionist players, and also to those who do not run their dailies daily. Would depend on the amount though, but that's true for all of these.
I'm a completionist player and it would not be welcome to me. The personal endeavors got a unique reward which is an exceptionally rare treat in STO and I don't want it spoiled like everything else.
But another new one to just dump more dilithium as a reward....meh. So for the new mechanics in game, I could see them actually doing:
1) T6 "free ship" tokens
I don't see that happening. Besides, we get a free T6 3 times a year already. Winter, Anniversary, and Summer.
Talking about the "free T6" tokens we are getting for completing TFO's. So already in game, just saying a few extra towards claiming your prize.
2) A pool of points towards your personal endeavors jazz
Don't really see how useful that is.
How useful is the Fed or Rom admiralty campaigns? What's your point? Pool of points towards your endeavors is just as useless for most players as 2 upgrade modules (Rom) or 2 skill points (Fed)
3) Phoenix prize packs
Not gonna happen as Phoenix Boxes are one of the major methods of balancing the DL Exchange.
Right, and no one thought they would introduce a SECOND dilithium reward Admiralty after we already had the Klingon one.....see how that worked out
4) Another dilithium prize...
Don't really need any more sources of DL. We need balancing factors to keep the exchange at a reasonable rate.
I agree. But we all said that before, and THEN they gave us the Ferengi campaign. So, devs kind do what they want. And free dilithium is a go to for them when they cant be original
Unlikely rewards:
1) Lobi
You're right. Its unlikely. Especially since they dropped the free Lobi from FE Replays... and... FE Replays in general for the time being.
One point you agree on....geez....
2) "free ship" tokens based off the new T6 free ship reward, but for previous reward ships. Would have to reward like 50 at a time, so you would need to complete it 16 - 20 times or something, but would allow you to get ships similar to how the Phoenix pack does. Same penalty as far as player only reward, NOT account unlock.
How is this different from your previous number 1 of a T6 free ship token?
a) not all past reward ships were T6. b) I'm saying you could now que up past reward ships "projects" and their subsequent 800 or 1000 coupon requirement again, but you would have to use coupons awarded from the new admiralty. As I mentioned, it would be character locked, same as Phoenix box ships are now.
Dominion or cardassian campaign Reward: random epic duty officer from the dominion with new active/passive traits These would be changeling, vorta. Jemhadar, etc. Doffs
Lukari campaign Reward: random lukari, kentari, or tzenkethi bridge officer - this would be an alternate way to get lukari/ kentari boffs without the huge cost of the fleet colony. The tzenkethi could be a low chance reward, or the first-time campaign completion reward and made unique so you cant get more than one. Would be pretty cool to have a multi weapon wielding battle turtle for ground ops.
I'm a completionist player and it would not be welcome to me. The personal endeavors got a unique reward which is an exceptionally rare treat in STO and I don't want it spoiled like everything else.
More uniqueness, not less, please.
Fair enough. I should have phrased that better: there certainly will be players who are aiming for completion who would appreciate a shortcut. I am somewhat torn here: a little speed up would be fine but it shouldn' invalidate the system. But 1 pick for a full run of 10 admiralty missions wouldn't seem out of line for me personally.
Also, from a dev POV: the recent changes (RTFO, endeavors) seem to be quite successful in pulling players into otherwise less played content, which is desirable, so why make players go through it faster?
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Also, from a dev POV: the recent changes (RTFO, endeavors) seem to be quite successful in pulling players into otherwise less played content, which is desirable, so why make players go through it faster?
I don't know. Cryptic does a lot of design decisions I just can't understand at all. Like for example the only reason we even have so much "less played content" is because they've spoiled all previosly unique rewards by spreading them everywhere.
I can only hope they don't spoil the endo XP because it's great reason to play.
And that's also why I think the next admiralty campaign(s) should also have new unique rewards created, instead of copypasting something from somewhere else.
I'm with a lot of the comments saying there's no point in adding something without a truly amazing reward. I run the Rom campaign on my main for the upgrade tech, and the KDF and Ferengi ones on my two other lvl 65's to get the dil without having to grind them.
Federation, as has been said, only really helps for the lvl 50-65 grind, and then it's not much use.
Yeah, it kinda feels like it'S really hard to add new Admiralty campaigns if we don't have the capability to actually do more campaigns at a time. The only use for a new campaign would be to reward a new EPic ship on bringing it to Tier 10, basically, unless the Tour of Duty reward is something that is worth more than a ton of Dilthium.
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The Level 60-65 'grind' is not so at all. One or so load of Doff and Admiralty Assignments will get you to 65 from 60.
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The Level 60-65 'grind' is not so at all. One or so load of Doff and Admiralty Assignments will get you to 65 from 60.
The first 60 spec points then. Once you have the specializations that your character wants to use, the priority for getting the rest drops quite a bit.
The first 60 spec points then. Once you have the specializations that your character wants to use, the priority for getting the rest drops quite a bit.
Have you been watching me admiraling my last toons? Tells a lot about data safety here
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I have my Discovery Character almost halfway through Temporal and only have Strategist beyond that to still do. I created that Character when Discovery dropped, got through the Tutorial, and stopped playing that Character until the Winter Event. It has been the one I have been playing almost exclusively since.
I haven't done much of the Romulan Campaign after I got that to max. But I still do the the Federation Campaign at this stage but generally behind the KDF and Ferengi Campaigns. Obviously after you completely max out all the Specializations there is no point in running the Fed unless you are desperate for that 5,760 Dilitium for getting the 10 of 10 Tour of Duty.
'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!'
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'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
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Other than Ship Coupons or Fleet Ship Modules, I can't really think of anything that'd peek my interest enough to run through repeatedly.
If they'd just be duplicating existing campaings like the ferengi duplicates the klingon one...well I suppose 2 dil campaigns do not yet entirely 100% guarantee hitting the refining quota every single day without doing anything else at all.
Just most days.
The one problem with the Federation Campaign shows up when you've maxed out all Specializations. Instead of giving you the Spec Points you get 5,760 Dilitium instead for the 10 of 10. Pathetic compared to the KDF and Ferengi 10 of 10 Rewards.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
1) T6 "free ship" tokens
2) A pool of points towards your personal endeavors jazz
3) Phoenix prize packs
4) Another dilithium prize...
Unlikely rewards:
1) Lobi
2) "free ship" tokens based off the new T6 free ship reward, but for previous reward ships. Would have to reward like 50 at a time, so you would need to complete it 16 - 20 times or something, but would allow you to get ships similar to how the Phoenix pack does. Same penalty as far as player only reward, NOT account unlock.
I like all of those, and I'll add Temporal and subfaction ones like Orion Syndicate, Nausicaans, Gorn, Leatheans, Ferasans, Talaxians, Trill.
You're right. Its unlikely. Especially since they dropped the free Lobi from FE Replays... and... FE Replays in general for the time being. How is this different from your previous number 1 of a T6 free ship token?
Considering that it is a 2 year grind, shortening it would probably be welcome to completionist players, and also to those who do not run their dailies daily. Would depend on the amount though, but that's true for all of these.
Also, it would be a bit of a dil prize in disguise.
I think the first was meant to be past event ships, the second was asking for C Store ship coupons.
That being said, I don't think we need more admiralty campaigns. For one, it becomes more and more stretched lore wise, already wasn't a friend of the Ferengi one for this reason, and then it would shift the balance between office work and actual game play even more (granted, you still only have 9 slots, so if you're running admiralty daily you'll just be running it somewhere else, but for completionists generally happy after having filled a campaign it would be).
More uniqueness, not less, please.
Dominion or cardassian campaign
Reward: random epic duty officer from the dominion with new active/passive traits
These would be changeling, vorta. Jemhadar, etc. Doffs
Lukari campaign
Reward: random lukari, kentari, or tzenkethi bridge officer - this would be an alternate way to get lukari/ kentari boffs without the huge cost of the fleet colony. The tzenkethi could be a low chance reward, or the first-time campaign completion reward and made unique so you cant get more than one. Would be pretty cool to have a multi weapon wielding battle turtle for ground ops.
Fair enough. I should have phrased that better: there certainly will be players who are aiming for completion who would appreciate a shortcut. I am somewhat torn here: a little speed up would be fine but it shouldn' invalidate the system. But 1 pick for a full run of 10 admiralty missions wouldn't seem out of line for me personally.
Also, from a dev POV: the recent changes (RTFO, endeavors) seem to be quite successful in pulling players into otherwise less played content, which is desirable, so why make players go through it faster?
I can only hope they don't spoil the endo XP because it's great reason to play.
And that's also why I think the next admiralty campaign(s) should also have new unique rewards created, instead of copypasting something from somewhere else.
Federation, as has been said, only really helps for the lvl 50-65 grind, and then it's not much use.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
The first 60 spec points then. Once you have the specializations that your character wants to use, the priority for getting the rest drops quite a bit.
Have you been watching me admiraling my last toons? Tells a lot about data safety here
I haven't done much of the Romulan Campaign after I got that to max. But I still do the the Federation Campaign at this stage but generally behind the KDF and Ferengi Campaigns. Obviously after you completely max out all the Specializations there is no point in running the Fed unless you are desperate for that 5,760 Dilitium for getting the 10 of 10 Tour of Duty.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'