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  • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
    rattler2 wrote: »
    I think he was referring to the recent spat of people railing against Captain Marvel before it came out.

    While I respect raven's position, there's still the issue of judgement before evidence which is what I believe jonsils is getting at. We don't know if Ep 9 will redeem the trilogy after the fiasco that was Ep 8 yet. Its a bit like saying "I'm going to judge and boycott Star Trek 6 based on Star Trek 5." As of right now we have little information on Ep 9, and for the most part I'm sure fans, while excited, are also a bit weary of a possible letdown after Ep 8 left a sour note behind.

    There's nothing to redeem. Episode 8 was fine. About the same level as TPM, ANH, or RotJ. Not as bad as AotC or as good as the rest but it was okay. Certainly not something 9 needs to fix in any way at all. No sour notes left at all.​​
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    'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
    '...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
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  • rattler2rattler2 Member Posts: 57,973 Community Moderator
    artan42 wrote: »
    No sour notes left at all.​​

    That is open for debate. Some may say it was fine, while others see it as a trainwreck because it literally ripped the carpet out from under what was being built up in ep 7.
    No one person can say for everyone that it was fine.
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  • evilmark444evilmark444 Member Posts: 6,950 Arc User
    valoreah wrote: »
    As terrible as the new movies are, they are still better then the prequels.

    I disagree. I'd watch Phantom Menace on an infinite loop rather than being subjected to this new TRIBBLE - Rogue One being the exception.

    I always liked Phantom Menace and Revenge of the Sith, but thanks to Disney I even like Attack of the Clones now. The love scenes are still garbage, but it's a MUCH better movie than TFA and TLJ. Rogue One was fantastic though, and I didn't mind Solo except for their depiction of the Maw.
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  • legendarylycan#5411 legendarylycan Member Posts: 37,276 Arc User
    except for their depiction of the Maw.

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  • rattler2rattler2 Member Posts: 57,973 Community Moderator
    All we know of The Maw is that its a black hole cluster. And the Imperials had a research base there I believe.
    As to how it was depicted... do we really know what a black hole cluster is going to look like?
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  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,556 Arc User
    artan42 wrote: »
    rattler2 wrote: »
    I think he was referring to the recent spat of people railing against Captain Marvel before it came out.

    While I respect raven's position, there's still the issue of judgement before evidence which is what I believe jonsils is getting at. We don't know if Ep 9 will redeem the trilogy after the fiasco that was Ep 8 yet. Its a bit like saying "I'm going to judge and boycott Star Trek 6 based on Star Trek 5." As of right now we have little information on Ep 9, and for the most part I'm sure fans, while excited, are also a bit weary of a possible letdown after Ep 8 left a sour note behind.

    There's nothing to redeem. Episode 8 was fine. About the same level as TPM, ANH, or RotJ. Not as bad as AotC or as good as the rest but it was okay. Certainly not something 9 needs to fix in any way at all. No sour notes left at all.​​

    A New Hope and Return of the Jedi are a thousand times better than The Last Jedi. The Phantom Menace is at least 10 times better than The Last Jedi which just shows how bad The Last Jedi is. The Last Jedi is the most boring Star Wars movie ever and is only slightly better than the Star Wars Holiday Special.
    rattler2 wrote: »
    All we know of The Maw is that its a black hole cluster. And the Imperials had a research base there I believe.
    As to how it was depicted... do we really know what a black hole cluster is going to look like?

    That is The Maw from the Expanded Universe that was destroyed by Disney not Solo. The Maw was the location of Grand Moff Tarkin's research base that designed the original Death Star and a few other superweapons. According to the last books of the Expanded Universe, it was a prison created by a bunch of highly advanced aliens to imprison a highly powerful and evil being for all eternity until it was unintentionally released by Jacen Solo.
  • rattler2rattler2 Member Posts: 57,973 Community Moderator
    Honestly The Force Awakens was a better movie than The Last Jedi.
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  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,556 Arc User
    rattler2 wrote: »
    Honestly The Force Awakens was a better movie than The Last Jedi.

    Even with it essentially being a remake of A New Hope.

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  • jonsillsjonsills Member Posts: 10,354 Arc User
    So, no one person can say for everyone that TLJ was good, but you can say for everyone that it was bad? I see.

    For the record, it was very good, playing against expectations much as TESB did. And the hate I've seen for it reminds me a lot of the hate I saw for TESB.
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  • rattler2rattler2 Member Posts: 57,973 Community Moderator
    No. I was just stating my opinion. I'm not saying that for anyone but myself. I don't try and say "I speak for everyone when I say X" or "Everyone agrees X". Generally when I give an opinion... it is just my opinion.
    *shrug*
    Maybe I need to word things a bit better in the future.

    As for the hate... I don't hate TLJ. I just feel it was a low point. Any hate would be more directed at the guy behind it. Not the movie itself.
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  • thegrandnagus1thegrandnagus1 Member Posts: 5,165 Arc User
    jonsills wrote: »
    So, no one person can say for everyone that TLJ was good, but you can say for everyone that it was bad? I see.

    For the record, it was very good, playing against expectations much as TESB did. And the hate I've seen for it reminds me a lot of the hate I saw for TESB.
    rattler2 wrote: »
    No. I was just stating my opinion. I'm not saying that for anyone but myself. I don't try and say "I speak for everyone when I say X" or "Everyone agrees X". Generally when I give an opinion... it is just my opinion.
    *shrug*
    Maybe I need to word things a bit better in the future.

    As for the hate... I don't hate TLJ. I just feel it was a low point. Any hate would be more directed at the guy behind it. Not the movie itself.

    So, I've got a question for both of you:

    Jon: what did you NOT like about the movie?

    Rattler: what DID you like about the movie?

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  • jonsillsjonsills Member Posts: 10,354 Arc User
    I didn't care for the way Rose Tico let Finn mansplain all over her when they were trying to tell Poe about how to stop the fleet from being tracked in hyperspace, but I could understand why - Poe wasn't willing to listen to a woman, about pretty much anything (that was how they lost the majority of their fighters and every last bomber they had, after all - he wouldn't listen to a woman ordering him to retreat, so he won a victory that was Pyrrhic at best and set the First Order back by all of three or four hours). I thought that could have been made a little plainer for the hard of thinking in the audience, however.

    I also thought the affectation of a weird sort of stutter by Benicio del Toro was a tad annoying, and really didn't care for Maz's incredibly vague description of "the best slicer in the Galaxy" (really, a massive resort casino, and in the entire place there's only going to be one guy with a red flower in his lapel??).
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  • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
    The admiral not wearing a uniform. Even Leia wore one throughout ESB and RotJ. That and Yoda being a muppet again and not CGI were the biggest flaws in TLJ.
    rattler2 wrote: »
    artan42 wrote: »
    No sour notes left at all.

    That is open for debate. Some may say it was fine, while others see it as a trainwreck because it literally ripped the carpet out from under what was being built up in ep 7.
    No one person can say for everyone that it was fine.

    That's my point. I made my post uselessly ambiguous by making it look like I was speaking for more people than just me.

    In addition, there are people who thought TFA was uninspired and unoriginal and had no interest in any of the plots being dragged into TLJ and enjoyed the subversion of ignoring all the additional pointless clones of previous plots.

    You can't make a film for everybody and making Star Wars films is even harder because Star Wars 'fans' are even more openly toxic and pathetic than Star Trek 'fans' when the billion dollar film industry doesn't cater exactly to their whims. I'm honestly surprised Abrams wanted the job back or that they found a replacement director for Solo.
    rattler2 wrote: »
    Any hate would be more directed at the guy behind it. Not the movie itself.

    Case in point.​​
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    Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
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    'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
    '...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
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  • rattler2rattler2 Member Posts: 57,973 Community Moderator
    What did I like about TLJ? Luke being snarky with Kylo Ren. I mean all that firepower directed at him, and after it lets up he just brushes his shoulder off like it was nothing. Well... it WAS nothing as he wasn't actually there... but still. That was pretty good.
    Also we now know what happens when you hyperspace through a ship.
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  • evilmark444evilmark444 Member Posts: 6,950 Arc User
    jonsills wrote: »
    For the record, it was very good, playing against expectations much as TESB did. And the hate I've seen for it reminds me a lot of the hate I saw for TESB.
    The primary reason I hate the movie is because the central plot was incomprehensibly idiotic. The First Order fleet couldn't catch up with the Resistance fleet so they were waiting for them to run out of gas ... seriously!?! I still can't believe that anyone actually thought that was a good idea for a serious blockbuster film, it's the kind of nonsense that would only work in a Spaceballs sequel, not an actual Star Wars movie. It also makes General Hux look even more incompetent than he already did, all he had to do was have one or two ships break off from the main FO fleet and make a short hyperspace jump to cut off the Resistance, either by just jumping directly in front of them or, if that was too short of a distance, jumping a sufficient distance away and then jumping back to cut them off. Twenty minutes into the movie everyone should have been dead except for Rey, Luke, Chewie, and R2D2.
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  • rattler2rattler2 Member Posts: 57,973 Community Moderator
    Yea... the "running them down at sublight" thing was kind of... stupid. The Hyperspace Tracker though was an interesting gubbin and clear technological advancement. But that one particular thing is a rather glaring issue, and evilmark is right. The smart, tactical thing to do would be to get some forces ahead and do a pincer move, leaving your prey with nowhere to go. In this case it felt more like trying to break the surviving Resistance fighters. Show them how powerless they are. Prolong the suffering.

    It wasn't tactics. it was just trying to terrorize the Resistance. Honestly the Emperor had better tactics at Endor with setting the trap for the Alliance.
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  • jonsillsjonsills Member Posts: 10,354 Arc User
    rattler2 wrote: »
    In this case it felt more like trying to break the surviving Resistance fighters. Show them how powerless they are. Prolong the suffering.

    It wasn't tactics. it was just trying to terrorize the Resistance.
    That's exactly what it was, yes. Palpatine was trying to run a new empire, and used some pretty fair military tactics in the process (although the Big Killer Base thing is seldom a good idea, as it represents a single point of failure for any campaign employing it); Snoke and his underlings seemed to be convinced that they could just break the spirits of their opponents and make them submit. As has been said in another context recently, the cruelty is the point. (It's also part of why they lost in the end - they spent too much time and effort trying to frighten the Resistance, rather than simply defeating it. One asteroid dropped from orbit would have destroyed everyone in that base, underground or not. Instead, they took a small fleet of ground vehicles and aerospace fighters in, as if they intended to seize the base and use it themselves.)
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  • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
    jonsills wrote: »
    rattler2 wrote: »
    In this case it felt more like trying to break the surviving Resistance fighters. Show them how powerless they are. Prolong the suffering.

    It wasn't tactics. it was just trying to terrorize the Resistance.
    That's exactly what it was, yes. Palpatine was trying to run a new empire, and used some pretty fair military tactics in the process (although the Big Killer Base thing is seldom a good idea, as it represents a single point of failure for any campaign employing it); Snoke and his underlings seemed to be convinced that they could just break the spirits of their opponents and make them submit. As has been said in another context recently, the cruelty is the point. (It's also part of why they lost in the end - they spent too much time and effort trying to frighten the Resistance, rather than simply defeating it. One asteroid dropped from orbit would have destroyed everyone in that base, underground or not. Instead, they took a small fleet of ground vehicles and aerospace fighters in, as if they intended to seize the base and use it themselves.)

    Like with the Death Stars, if the FO had actually bothered to put their fleet and Snoke's mega-super-duper star destroyer around Starkiller Base then the Resistance would have been able to do sod all to it. Hell, if they'd just trained their own weapons on low power inside their atmosphere they could have wiped out Solo's task force.​​
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    '...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
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  • jake477jake477 Member Posts: 526 Arc User
    Not interested. However I hope the Enterprise Crew on Star Trek Discovery make a spin-off show. They did a great job setting it up on the Season 2 Finale. Star Wars is not what it used to be. It used to be a story about growing up from a teenager to a man and about finding yourself. Now its just "you are special, do special things" None of it is earned, nobody grows up.

    Star Trek is about self improvement and growth, something Star Wars has never mastered since the Original Trilogy.
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  • jonsillsjonsills Member Posts: 10,354 Arc User
    That's an... interestingly idiosyncratic interpretation of SW.
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  • rattler2rattler2 Member Posts: 57,973 Community Moderator
    Star Wars felt more like a take on the "Good vs Evil" concept. In most cases these stories are more medieval/fantasy, such as Lord of the Rings. But Star Wars takes it to the stars themselves.
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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,231 Arc User
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    artan42 wrote: »
    jonsills wrote: »
    rattler2 wrote: »
    In this case it felt more like trying to break the surviving Resistance fighters. Show them how powerless they are. Prolong the suffering.

    It wasn't tactics. it was just trying to terrorize the Resistance.
    That's exactly what it was, yes. Palpatine was trying to run a new empire, and used some pretty fair military tactics in the process (although the Big Killer Base thing is seldom a good idea, as it represents a single point of failure for any campaign employing it); Snoke and his underlings seemed to be convinced that they could just break the spirits of their opponents and make them submit. As has been said in another context recently, the cruelty is the point. (It's also part of why they lost in the end - they spent too much time and effort trying to frighten the Resistance, rather than simply defeating it. One asteroid dropped from orbit would have destroyed everyone in that base, underground or not. Instead, they took a small fleet of ground vehicles and aerospace fighters in, as if they intended to seize the base and use it themselves.)
    Like with the Death Stars, if the FO had actually bothered to put their fleet and Snoke's mega-super-duper star destroyer around Starkiller Base then the Resistance would have been able to do sod all to it. Hell, if they'd just trained their own weapons on low power inside their atmosphere they could have wiped out Solo's task force.​​
    But, 1: it had a planetary shield, 2: it didn't have armor. They couldn't just shoot down Solo's guys.

    the purpose of the original Death Star is a bit ambiguous. Sure you can say "Why not build a fleet of Star Destroyers instead?" As has been rightly pointed out there are many things you can use a fleet of Star Destroyers for that you can't use the Death Star for. But.... the Empire already HAD multiple fleets of Star Destroyers. They built it because it could do things Star Destroyers couldn't.
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  • jonsillsjonsills Member Posts: 10,354 Arc User
    Specifically, the main systems of the Death Star could power a weapon powerful enough to destroy a planet in a single shot - something Solo said would take "a thousand Star Destroyers with more firepower than I ever--" (cue incoming TIE fighter).
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  • legendarylycan#5411 legendarylycan Member Posts: 37,276 Arc User
    he said 'a thousand ships' - he didn't specifically mention star destroyers​​
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  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,556 Arc User
    It would be interesting if the Empire could take out the Planet Destroyer weapon system of the Death Star and equip it on something the size of a Star Destroyer. Would be able to buy a few Planet-Destroyer Star Destroyers for the price of one Death Star. The Star Destroyer name seems slightly idiotic when it can't even destroy a planet.
  • legendarylycan#5411 legendarylycan Member Posts: 37,276 Arc User
    they did - it's called the conquerer​​
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  • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
    artan42 wrote: »
    jonsills wrote: »
    rattler2 wrote: »
    In this case it felt more like trying to break the surviving Resistance fighters. Show them how powerless they are. Prolong the suffering.

    It wasn't tactics. it was just trying to terrorize the Resistance.
    That's exactly what it was, yes. Palpatine was trying to run a new empire, and used some pretty fair military tactics in the process (although the Big Killer Base thing is seldom a good idea, as it represents a single point of failure for any campaign employing it); Snoke and his underlings seemed to be convinced that they could just break the spirits of their opponents and make them submit. As has been said in another context recently, the cruelty is the point. (It's also part of why they lost in the end - they spent too much time and effort trying to frighten the Resistance, rather than simply defeating it. One asteroid dropped from orbit would have destroyed everyone in that base, underground or not. Instead, they took a small fleet of ground vehicles and aerospace fighters in, as if they intended to seize the base and use it themselves.)
    Like with the Death Stars, if the FO had actually bothered to put their fleet and Snoke's mega-super-duper star destroyer around Starkiller Base then the Resistance would have been able to do sod all to it. Hell, if they'd just trained their own weapons on low power inside their atmosphere they could have wiped out Solo's task force.
    But, 1: it had a planetary shield, 2: it didn't have armor. They couldn't just shoot down Solo's guys.

    the purpose of the original Death Star is a bit ambiguous. Sure you can say "Why not build a fleet of Star Destroyers instead?" As has been rightly pointed out there are many things you can use a fleet of Star Destroyers for that you can't use the Death Star for. But.... the Empire already HAD multiple fleets of Star Destroyers. They built it because it could do things Star Destroyers couldn't.

    It had a planetary shield and...? Shields can be breached which is why you need multiple layers of defence. If the planet I can't remember the name of had some bigger ships in atmosphere as well as outside the shield gate, RO would have been a different film. Same with Starkiller Base.

    I'm not disputing the role of the superweapons, just pointing out they aren't as flawed as they are shown to be if only the Empire/FO tried a bit harder to defend them.​​
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  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,556 Arc User
    they did - it's called the conquerer​​

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  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    starkaos wrote: »
    It would be interesting if the Empire could take out the Planet Destroyer weapon system of the Death Star and equip it on something the size of a Star Destroyer. Would be able to buy a few Planet-Destroyer Star Destroyers for the price of one Death Star. The Star Destroyer name seems slightly idiotic when it can't even destroy a planet.
    It is a Star Destroyer in the same sense a Starship is a Starship. It's a prefix to indicate it's something in space. A starship doesn't actually ship stars. A Star Destroyer isn't something that destroys stars, it's a destroyer flying between the stars.

    Of course, it's also a horrible misnomer for its role by naval standards.
    It could probably be called something like "Star Flight Deck Cruiser" or "Star Cruiser" or "Star Dreadnought" or "Star Carrier"...
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