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  • phoenix841phoenix841 Member Posts: 477 Arc User
    edited April 2019
    What I don't like
    The inclusion of keys in a 2-ship pack. Keys? Seriously?
    If you are going to include extras please keep it to ship related items like dry dock slots or ship slots.
    You would have hooked me (hard) if there was a small craft Disco class C shuttle or playable House Mo’kai Fighter as a bundle extra.

    I can't relate to, nor do I see the logic of including keys in a 2-ship pack (and I really hope this isn't a new normal). I buy ship bundles - to get bundles of ... ships.
    Keys and ship module are worthless to me. I've only ever acquired two fleet ships in my nearly 10 years of playing, and one of which was right before T6 came out, and soured me on it. The second I still fly, and was acquired with the a free T6 rep module. If I buy this pack, those extras will immediately be sold on the exchange for pennies. I understand the mentality behind adding it to the pack, but since fleet ships are per character, they are worthless IMO. Given that, you are really paying 3000 zen for two ships, which is the same as the cost of one ship not discounted. I do like the look of the Fed 2410 ship, so that's a consideration for me.
    Finally, Where?????? are the command cruisers fleet variants. I have never seen them even with a fleet that is maxed on all projects/structures. Those of us with the Command Bundle for our faction are still waiting and waiting and waiting.

    Every single ship pack on the C-Store that comes in 3-per-faction variety are always fleet level out of the box. Count the consoles. They have 11, which is fleet level for T6. This has been true since forever. Odyssey, Vesta, Dyson, Command, Allied, etc. All fleet level (at time of release).
    EDIT: Actually, I forgot, the fleet oddy is actually worse than the C-store version, but there's a history behind that.
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  • lianthelialianthelia Member Posts: 7,628 Arc User
    I have to agree, I mean it's a very beautiful ship and easily my favorite design from Discovery, but the stats of the ship I just don't think I can like.

    Just feels like she is a space whale with a weak bite
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  • duasynduasyn Member Posts: 480 Arc User
    The Boff layout doesn't bother me for a cruiser. I've always liked having a LC Sci option. And sure you don't get any level 3 tac powers, but you can get 6 tac powers total if you want. Personally, I've been getting tired of 5/3 layout + LC Tac boff cruisers.

    Is this ship going to win any DPS races? No. They could have called these Command Support Dreadnoughts.
  • reyan01reyan01 Member Posts: 15,361 Arc User
    genhauk wrote: »
    What gets me about size is .... That slow turn rate.

    Yeah, this ship has the turn rate of a large ship (6) but it's still tiny.

    It's like they just tried to make a ship that has everything I hate. :lol:
    Is the size of it a mistake? I mean, it has all the trademarks of a larger ship.
  • ikonn#1068 ikonn Member Posts: 1,418 Arc User
    edited April 2019
    I would have thought the Buran would have a size comparable to the Dakota/Cheyenne... the STO iteration is sized like it's an escort ship.

    The Cardenas (Buran) was the one Fed ship I voted for back when we had the polls asking what ships to add from DSC. I had hoped back when we voted that this would be my "spiritual successor" to the Dakota/Cheyenne design as I just love that X layout (i.e. Eclipse), and not the offset upper/lower or different sized nacelles (i.e. Europa or Presido). However, I just can't justify buying it with the current BOFF layout. I could care less about the DSC Klingon ships. Though, I have to admit, the Fleet Qugh is a beast to fly :)
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  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,952 Arc User
    The low turn rate doesn't seem quite warranted for a ship of its size.

    I am not particularly enthusiastic about ships with Triple Lts instead of Twin Lt.Cmdr BO layouts. A Lt.Cmdr ability is almost always more powerful option than a Lt. ability, and the ship will need something to compensate for that.
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  • reyan01reyan01 Member Posts: 15,361 Arc User
    edited April 2019
    The low turn rate doesn't seem quite warranted for a ship of its size.

    I am not particularly enthusiastic about ships with Triple Lts instead of Twin Lt.Cmdr BO layouts. A Lt.Cmdr ability is almost always more powerful option than a Lt. ability, and the ship will need something to compensate for that.

    Perhaps that was why it was given a hangar?
    I would have thought the Buran would have a size comparable to the Dakota/Cheyenne... the STO iteration is sized like it's an escort ship.

    The Cardenas (Buran) was the one Fed ship I voted for back when we had the polls asking what ships to add from DSC. I had hoped back when we voted that this would be my "spiritual successor" to the Dakota/Cheyenne design as I just love that X layout (i.e. Eclipse), and not the offset upper/lower or different sized nacelles (i.e. Europa or Presido). However, I just can't justify buying it with the current BOFF layout. I could care less about the DSC Klingon ships. Though, I have to admit, the Fleet Qugh is a beast to fly :)

    The lacklustre BO layout notwithstanding, at least you GOT the ship you voted for.
  • mikeblackwolfmikeblackwolf Member Posts: 64 Arc User
    Very meh on the new ships. only thing that caught my eye was the fact it was a command ship with a hanger, then I read the starts of the Class -c shuttles and was underwhelmed. Compared to hanger pets such as the Flight Deck Cruiser Bundle or the Yukawa Frigates and the Styx's dreadnoughts.
    Also what is the point of building up your character to operate a t6 ship if you can use them post training mission ?

  • reyan01reyan01 Member Posts: 15,361 Arc User
    Very meh on the new ships. only thing that caught my eye was the fact it was a command ship with a hanger, then I read the starts of the Class -c shuttles and was underwhelmed. Compared to hanger pets such as the Flight Deck Cruiser Bundle or the Yukawa Frigates and the Styx's dreadnoughts.
    Also what is the point of building up your character to operate a t6 ship if you can use them post training mission ?

    Actually think the Elite class-C shuttles look decent:
    1x Omni-Directional Phaser Beam Array (Fore)
    1x Phaser Beam Array (Fore)
    Abilities:
    Beam: Overload III
    Aceton Beam: III

    And they can be used on any ship with a hangar.

    It's not technically a T6 ship until your character reaches a level where they can use T6 ships. The consoles and BOFF stations unlock as your character progresses/gets promoted.
  • zepheris#4678 zepheris Member Posts: 12 Arc User
    I always feel like i'm in the future as the updates are always 18 hours behind Coordinated Universal Time
  • dannon#6463 dannon Member Posts: 18 Arc User
    edited April 2019
    Oh wow, a new science ship. Oh wait, no.

    BOFF layout, confusing. Trait and console, boring. Just no on this one.
  • rickvic#6033 rickvic Member Posts: 127 Arc User
    Why did it say Frigattes as Hangar Pets in the game ? (German version, text is english)
  • tharsonius42tharsonius42 Member Posts: 49 Arc User
    edited April 2019
    Uhm, those ships aren't really great. Layout isn't great, the console is horrible +0,66% hull and 2% shields, some weak click me, what???? Not saying every new piece of equipment added to the game needs to be OP but that is really really bad. Also the starship trait does not list bridge officer CD reduction on the tooltip. Announcement said it would have that. I thought "ah who knows maybe on a sci build that could be useful". Hope that is just missing on the tooltip and wasn't removed after the announcement.
  • pottsey5gpottsey5g Member Posts: 3,638 Arc User
    edited April 2019
    Why did it say Frigattes as Hangar Pets in the game ? (German version, text is english)
    Because they have the broken Cestus Frigate AI which makes them next to useless. Also the trait has been nerfred so no cool reduction and no heal to pets. Even though it still says so in the cstore it doesn't when you buy it.

    Its a shame such a stunning looking ship has to have such messed up stats and messed up release. Hopefully the text gets corrected and bugs fixed.

  • ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,462 Arc User
    It has to have meh stats. Otherwise, how could they bring the player base to a frenzy for the upcoming Constitution? ;)
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  • voodoopokeyvoodoopokey Member Posts: 244 Arc User
    Uhm, those ships aren't really great. Layout isn't great, the console is horrible +0,66% hull and 2% shields, some weak click me, what???? Not saying every new piece of equipment added to the game needs to be OP but that is really really bad. Also the starship trait does not list bridge officer CD reduction on the tooltip. Announcement said it would have that. I thought "ah who knows maybe on a sci build that could be useful". Hope that is just missing on the tooltip and wasn't removed after the announcement.

    You're looking at the console from space dock, I imagine. The console's passive bonus is actually +5% max hull and +15% max shield, which the text will accurately reflect when you're in a real space zone.

    The trait being nerfed is pretty harsh, though... assuming the text accurately reflects the ability. We'll have to wait and see whether its the announcement and store text, or the trait's tooltip, that need fixing.
  • stark2kstark2k Member Posts: 1,453 Arc User
    Beautiful ship design

    BUT

    A) Boff layout is utter tripe

    B) the keys are "BOUND" - Yes the keys are currently bound to account - this has to be an oversight and needs a quick patch. No way can keys be bound, as other bundle that include keys are not bound.

    C) Ironically the fleet ship module is not bound - a slight plus to this mess of a bundle

    Overall rating of the Dreadnought Bundle, a D-
    [It gets a D for effort and the ship model but fails epically on everything else - It is "NO" Dreadnought but a flying marshmallow.

    I do have to say the Magee Frigates that awfully resembles shuttles are interesting. Again the image resemble a shuttle and not a frigate per se. When I think of a Frigate I am thinking about Miranda Frigates etc...

    These are more like shuttles - they need to make that correction in its description
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  • xstaythirstyxxstaythirstyx Member Posts: 50 Arc User
    BUYERS BEWARE

    I just purchased the bundle not reading into it, and discovered that the BOFF layout is not only weird as heck, but useless to an offensive build. I mean what is the role of this ship? What is it suppose to do with that kind of BOFF layout?

    I agree with Stark2K, the hanger pets are more like shuttles than frigates. As far as fleet ship module and keys, well the keys are bound to account while the fleet ship module is not.

    With the layout and lack of anything else, this is not so worth 4K discounted zen price tag, let alone the 5K price tag after the sale is over.

    Shoddy & lazy BOFF layout implementation

    Overpriced bundle

    and bound Keys

    Ship design and looks is great, but useless in comparison to functionality

    Gets a whopping "F" in my book

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  • illisstr8illisstr8 Member Posts: 43 Arc User
    Seriously, wtf is up with this bundle? Is this an April fools joke?
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  • kirk2811kirk2811 Member Posts: 85 Arc User
    BUYERS BEWARE

    I just purchased the bundle not reading into it, and discovered that the BOFF layout is not only weird as heck, but useless to an offensive build. I mean what is the role of this ship? What is it suppose to do with that kind of BOFF layout?

    I agree with Stark2K, the hanger pets are more like shuttles than frigates. As far as fleet ship module and keys, well the keys are bound to account while the fleet ship module is not.

    With the layout and lack of anything else, this is not so worth 4K discounted zen price tag, let alone the 5K price tag after the sale is over.

    Shoddy & lazy BOFF layout implementation

    Overpriced bundle

    and bound Keys

    Ship design and looks is great, but useless in comparison to functionality

    Gets a whopping "F" in my book

    Thanks for your first hand impressions :)
  • davehilanderdavehilander Member Posts: 39 Arc User
    > @xstaythirstyx said:
    > BUYERS BEWARE
    >
    > I just purchased the bundle not reading into it, and discovered that the BOFF layout is not only weird as heck, but useless to an offensive build. I mean what is the role of this ship? What is it suppose to do with that kind of BOFF layout?
    >
    > I agree with Stark2K, the hanger pets are more like shuttles than frigates. As far as fleet ship module and keys, well the keys are bound to account while the fleet ship module is not.
    >
    > With the layout and lack of anything else, this is not so worth 4K discounted zen price tag, let alone the 5K price tag after the sale is over.
    >
    > Shoddy & lazy BOFF layout implementation
    >
    > Overpriced bundle
    >
    > and bound Keys
    >
    > Ship design and looks is great, but useless in comparison to functionality
    >
    > Gets a whopping "F" in my book

    As a slow maneuvering ship focused on command abilities; isn't the role supposed to be a support oriented tank? Looks like it fits that role pretty well.
  • strathkinstrathkin Member Posts: 2,352 Bug Hunter
    edited April 2019
    lianthelia wrote: »
    I have to agree, I mean it's a very beautiful ship and easily my favorite design from Discovery, but the stats of the ship I just don't think I can like.

    Just feels like she is a space whale with a weak bite

    I believe someone (not me) today showed a Fleet version of the ship at 173.7k DPS, in fact almost identical (+/- 1.07k) now in their revised T6 - Constitution Class, TOS, or Temporal Light Cruiser T6. Using similar traits I believe, though their are changes to some weapons/consoles, a result of being different ships.

    A forum with 'Red' in it comes to mind - and I believe the person was using a TAC with TAC preference build. I eluded to some 'hints' earlier in this thread, but those options were focused on ENG/SCI.

    - - - UPDATE - - -
    I suspect there are many ships, despite initial perceptions, that many have overlooked.
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  • saber1973asaber1973a Member Posts: 1,220 Arc User
    edited April 2019
    It is just me?
    There is literally not one Discovery Z-Store ship that would be really impressive performance-wise.
    Ok - the lockbox/lobi maybe are, but I use mainly Z-Store ships.
    The earlier ships are for me much better.
    The only Discovery ship that I actually buyed is the Prototype Light Exploration Cruiser (Walker) - and only because it was - I think - first scaleable Z-Store ship.
    Now I know that all older T6 ships will go fully scaleable, there is no need for me to buy the new ships - especially as they do not have any special mechanics.
    I mean, when new seasons go online there was normally some new mechanics:
    Solenae Dyson Sphere got Dyson Sci-Destroyers, Delta Quadrant got Intel Ships, then there were Command Ships, then Pilot Ships, then Temporal mechanics for TOS, after that was Miracle Worker Ships, and lastly - JemHadar Vanguard Ships with their escorts.
    Now we got the Discovery ships - alright, but is there any special "gimmick" for even one of the ships?
    Ok - there was Scaleable ships, but now we know it will be for all T6 ships, so it's not unique Discovery thing.
    So… unles someone really like Discovery is there anything special about the ships, that would make me want them?
    For me - no.
    Edit:
    Also, I'm not sure how much of percantage of players actually saw and like ST Discovery, after all - it's behind a paywall.
    For example - I did not see any episode of it, simply because I do not have Netflix access, and I'm not planning to get it in the future, so while I do not actually dislike Discovery, I do not like it either - simply I do not know anything about it, that is not from the game.
  • f8explorer#7814 f8explorer Member Posts: 1,324 Arc User
    edited April 2019
    I believe someone (not me) today showed a Fleet version of the ship at 173.7k DPS, in fact almost 40k better than the T6 - Constitution Class - TOS - or Temporal Light Cruiser T6.

    - - - UPDATE - - -
    I suspect there are many ships, despite initial perceptions, that may have been overlooked; I think it surprised them too.

    What I would like to know is where the DPS is coming from? I have no problem with creative ship builds as long as I know I can do something with it.
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  • strathkinstrathkin Member Posts: 2,352 Bug Hunter
    edited April 2019
    Scan for 'The Fleet T6 Buran Performance' and see update above.

    I know I took a little 'heat' in one community, for having suggested it 'may' in fact be 'very' good, or at least better than many initial thoughts...

    Thought I think even Cryptic in their Official blog, eluded to Creativity, a reference to 'open mind' about the ship.

    o:)
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  • star777#1317 star777 Member Posts: 3 Arc User

    Correct, staythirsty is correct in regards to the hanger pets description in the actual CStore which states:

    "1 Hanger Bay, loaded with Magee Frigates" - borderline false advertisement IMO

    I too see frigates as Jem'Hadar bug ships and Miranda class starships

    Regarding dps numbers that someone threw out there - be nice to back that up with a video or a screen shot. Also anyone that unlocked traits from better T6 ships and is a good min maxer can make a Tier 1 ship roar

    However; pound for pound - There are better T6 ships out there that can do the job better.

  • kirk2811kirk2811 Member Posts: 85 Arc User
    ltminns wrote: »
    It has to have meh stats. Otherwise, how could they bring the player base to a frenzy for the upcoming Constitution? ;)

    Completely agree with you on that. And despite all shows, flagships, movies and franchises everything end having its pinnacle where all started, my beloved Constitution class
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