Bonus Progress Token Weekend! Question

bigmufu · April 2019

Do we still need to participate if we already own "ALL" C-store ships?

rattler2 · April 2019

Odds are we're gonna have another C-Store ship by the time we get enough of those tokens.

davefenestrator · April 2019

bigmufu wrote: »

Do we still need to participate if we already own "ALL" C-store ships?

Pointless humblebrag?

You don't need to participate in any event, ever.

Play if you want to, don't if you don't.

duncanidaho11 · April 2019

bigmufu wrote: »

Do we still need to participate if we already own "ALL" C-store ships?

Yes, it's one thing to own all the ships but it's another to own all the ships AND have the potential to buy another. Keep in mind: if you ever use the token then someone who hasn't will be able to say they own more than you. So, now your task is to accumulate as many unused T6 vouchers as possible.

lordmalak1 · April 2019

With the talk of them allowing lower tier ships the ability to upgrade to T6, that token may come in handy later on.

davefenestrator · April 2019

lordmalak1 wrote: »

With the talk of them allowing lower tier ships the ability to upgrade to T6, that token may come in handy later on.

Hmm, I think you might have misread that:

- There will be new T6 versions of most/all canon ships
- These new ships will be leveling ships that can be used as soon as you finish the tutorial

As far as I know it's just players who have asked for or demanded a way to upgrade their existing owned T1 - T5 versions of ships into the new T6 versions, preferably for free (because reasons).

Of course there will be a way to "upgrade," but it's by buying the new T6 version.

duncanidaho11 · April 2019

davefenestrator wrote: »

As far as I know it's just players who have asked for or demanded a way to upgrade their existing owned T1 - T5 versions of ships into the new T6 versions, preferably for free (because reasons).

Of course there will be a way to "upgrade," but it's by buying the new T6 version.

Also reiterated on Ten Forward weekly today, T6 ship scaling is coming (see. roadmap) but this isn't going to make all ships scale to T6. It's -existing- T6 ships that will scale down to T1 for use while leveling. What to do with T1-T5 is something they're still working on but the answer won't be "Get rid of them." They still have a place in the game.

Incidentally, this applies to the free ship tokens from the next TFO's as they'll only be able to claim T6 ships. T1-T5 are (at the moment) exempt.

centaurianalpha · April 2019

How are we going to get 3000 tokens in 21 days, if the 1st weekend only allows 400, and the next 17 days x 50 yield another 850? That's not even half the number supposedly required, as opposed to the 14-day payout normally seen in a 3-week event...

duncanidaho11 · April 2019

centaurianalpha wrote: »

How are we going to get 3000 tokens in 21 days, if the 1st weekend only allows 400, and the next 17 days x 50 yield another 850? That's not even half the number supposedly required, as opposed to the 14-day payout normally seen in a 3-week event...

It's over 3 Featured TFO's, not one. If you participate during one weekend and play through from there you get 900 thingies. Over the three (with normal completion) that gives 2,700. The difference can be made up with additional days played beyond 14. Ie. two per TFO (6*50=300 thingies). This is assuming only one bonus weekend during each FTFO. Cryptic could run more, particularly if they're looking at the data and seeing that the population is falling short towards the end.

ltminns · April 2019

Now you know why there hasn't been a T6 Nova/Rhode Island or Oberth. They have been waiting to release them as Scaling T6s and the technology for that is just coming into place.

xyquarze · April 2019

ltminns wrote: »

Now you know why there hasn't been a T6 Rhode Island or Oberth. They have been waiting to release them as Scaling T6s and the technology for that is just coming into place.

But what about the Nova?

As for the OP's question: I ran an experiment once, and multiple times since: I skipped an event and didn't get the thingy.

I am still alive, I am still allowed logging into STO and had nothing taken away from me. My computer is getting a bit wonky at times though, so you may want to calculate the risks carefully.

ltminns · April 2019

The Rhode Island is a Nova Refit so sure throw the Nova in there as well.

bigmufu · April 2019

duncanidaho11 wrote: »

centaurianalpha wrote: »

How are we going to get 3000 tokens in 21 days, if the 1st weekend only allows 400, and the next 17 days x 50 yield another 850? That's not even half the number supposedly required, as opposed to the 14-day payout normally seen in a 3-week event...

It's over 3 Featured TFO's, not one. If you participate during one weekend and play through from there you get 900 thingies. Over the three (with normal completion) that gives 2,700. The difference can be made up with additional days played beyond 14. Ie. two per TFO (6*50=300 thingies). This is assuming only one bonus weekend during each FTFO. Cryptic could run more, particularly if they're looking at the data and seeing that the population is falling short towards the end.

OHHHH HEEEECK NO! That's way too much time for a ship. You seem good at math so do this. How much is your time worth? Multiply by the hour of the amount needed to get these "thingies". It's cheaper just to pay for a new ship. I am glad you told me this. Thank you.

tyler002 · April 2019

I don't think you know what "cheaper" means if you think $25-30 is cheaper than $0...

echatty · April 2019

He's calculating what his time would be worth by playing for it vs buying it outright.

Personally, I like free. And these TFOs only take a few minutes each day.

alyrissa · April 2019

I will do what is needed to get this free T6 ship, I do hope it is worth the effort but not knowing either way I will run the tfo's as needed

duncanidaho11 · April 2019

bigmufu wrote: »

OHHHH HEEEECK NO! That's way too much time for a ship. You seem good at math so do this. How much is your time worth? Multiply by the hour of the amount needed to get these "thingies". Thank you. It's cheaper just to pay for a new ship. I am glad you told me this.

The rate follows: 1 TFO run (~15 minutes) per 50 to 100 thingies. For 3,000 thingies per T6 ship, the conversion rate to a monetized resource is 1 thingy to 1 zen. Per the exchange rate (337 last I saw, dil to zen), the payout of a TFO (or analogous ~15 minute activity) would need to be 16,850 dilithium to equal what we're getting from the base rate (50 thingies per run -> 50*337) of the event; 33,700 dilithium per TFO run for bonus weekends.

Add this to normal earnings.

xyquarze · April 2019

bigmufu wrote: »

OHHHH HEEEECK NO! That's way too much time for a ship. You seem good at math so do this. How much is your time worth? Multiply by the hour of the amount needed to get these "thingies". It's cheaper just to pay for a new ship. I am glad you told me this. Thank you.

I see it a different way, and thus calculate differently:

There are three TFOs upcoming with the usual TFO reward (unique item, marks, dil)
Odds are, though not guaranteed, I will play them at least on one toon for the unique unlock.
Bonus weekend included, I'll get (4*100+10*50) 900 thingies per 14 TFO runs that I'll probably do anyway, that means 2700 thingies all in all.

So I am missing 300 thingies equivalent to 6 TFO runs.

6 TFO runs for a T6 ship of my choice doesn't sound too bad. That's roughly 90 minutes, even less than summer or winter ships.

davefenestrator · April 2019

xyquarze wrote: »

bigmufu wrote: »

OHHHH HEEEECK NO! That's way too much time for a ship. You seem good at math so do this. How much is your time worth? Multiply by the hour of the amount needed to get these "thingies". It's cheaper just to pay for a new ship. I am glad you told me this. Thank you.

I see it a different way, and thus calculate differently:

There are three TFOs upcoming with the usual TFO reward (unique item, marks, dil)
Odds are, though not guaranteed, I will play them at least on one toon for the unique unlock.
Bonus weekend included, I'll get (4*100+10*50) 900 thingies per 14 TFO runs that I'll probably do anyway, that means 2700 thingies all in all.

So I am missing 300 thingies equivalent to 6 TFO runs.

6 TFO runs for a T6 ship of my choice doesn't sound too bad. That's roughly 90 minutes, even less than summer or winter ships.

Exactly. If you want the TFO shinies you'll be 90% of the way to a free $30 ship just by doing what you were already going to do anyway.

rattler2 · April 2019

On top of that... we don't know how often they're gonna schedule these bonus token weekend/event things. So at most you might only have to run 2 of the Featured TFO events. And if one happens to be, say Crystalline, that's not even 15 minutes. More like about 5. Used to be seconds due to power creep.

warpangel · April 2019

This is pretty much the epitome of good F2P design. Those who want to play the game get to earn their reward, and those who want to spend money get to buy it. Everybody wins.

zarasz · April 2019

warpangel wrote: »

This is pretty much the epitome of good F2P design. Those who want to play the game get to earn their reward, and those who want to spend money get to buy it. Everybody wins.

Well, not sure about how I feel about the grind. I did the last event with 6 chars and got 50.000 dilithium on each plus the jacket. Now I can do it with 8 chars and get 50.000 dilithium with each too. Its just it takes some time to get through all chars. But in the end I can only claim the primary reward once. And then I can either get a ship for one faction or one (suboptimal) ship for all chars.

Not sure what to feel.

davefenestrator · April 2019

zarasz wrote: »

warpangel wrote: »

This is pretty much the epitome of good F2P design. Those who want to play the game get to earn their reward, and those who want to spend money get to buy it. Everybody wins.

Well, not sure about how I feel about the grind. I did the last event with 6 chars and got 50.000 dilithium on each plus the jacket. Now I can do it with 8 chars and get 50.000 dilithium with each too. Its just it takes some time to get through all chars. But in the end I can only claim the primary reward once. And then I can either get a ship for one faction or one (suboptimal) ship for all chars.

Not sure what to feel.

The proper emotional response to being given a free account-unlocked $30 ship of your choice is: gratitude

Wanting 15 free $30 ships? Entitlement.

reemus · April 2019

So is it 100 or is it 50?

Quoted from the page

It’s time for a Bonus Coupon Progress Token weekend! Playing the Featured Task Force Operation, ‘Operation Riposte’, from April 18th at 8am PT to April 22nd at 10am PT, will earn you 100 Coupon Progress Tokens per day! You can apply these Tokens to your progress towards unlocking a Tier 6 ship of your choice! For more details on this new system, read below.

We’re debuting a brand new system for Star Trek Online. Earn progress toward a Free Ship by participating each day in the Featured TFO Events that will be running from now until Fall of 2019. By playing these three Events, you can earn Coupon Progress Tokens each day, allowing you to eventually claim a '100% Discount Coupon: Tier 6 Ship' that will allow you claim a free Tier 6 Starship of your choice from the Zen Store.

When you play the 'Operation Riposte' Featured TFO Event, once per day, you will receive 50 Coupon Progress Tokens. Progress will be rewarded across your entire account, so you need only participate once per day to max out your potential progress. Keep an eye out for Featured Event Coupon Bonus Days, which will double any progress that you earn while they are active! After you've earned a total of 3000 Coupon Progress Tokens, head to the Reputation menu to claim your prize.

davefenestrator · April 2019

50 is the normal reward, 100 is the double fun weekend reward.

centaurianalpha · April 2019

duncanidaho11 wrote: »

It's over 3 Featured TFO's, not one. If you participate during one weekend and play through from there you get 900 thingies. Over the three (with normal completion) that gives 2,700. The difference can be made up with additional days played beyond 14. Ie. two per TFO (6*50=300 thingies). This is assuming only one bonus weekend during each FTFO. Cryptic could run more, particularly if they're looking at the data and seeing that the population is falling short towards the end.

Aahhh...Thanks for clearing that up...nothing was mentioned about the next two FTFO's, except that somehow, it all rolls up in the fall of 2019. Apparently they are making things up as they go, with no real planning. So Cryptic gives us a cookie for each FTFO to keep us interested, and try to make the game "sticky" with an interminable string of badly executed queues for the promised "free" ship. Good luck with that!

lordmalak1 · April 2019

duncanidaho11 wrote: »

centaurianalpha wrote: »

How are we going to get 3000 tokens in 21 days, if the 1st weekend only allows 400, and the next 17 days x 50 yield another 850? That's not even half the number supposedly required, as opposed to the 14-day payout normally seen in a 3-week event...

It's over 3 Featured TFO's, not one. If you participate during one weekend and play through from there you get 900 thingies. Over the three (with normal completion) that gives 2,700. The difference can be made up with additional days played beyond 14. Ie. two per TFO (6*50=300 thingies). This is assuming only one bonus weekend during each FTFO. Cryptic could run more, particularly if they're looking at the data and seeing that the population is falling short towards the end.

Hmmm, my math:
400 the first day
50 for each of the next 13 days
100 for each of the remaining 7 days

400+650+700=1750 per event.
3 events
Is that correct ?

duncanidaho11 · April 2019

lordmalak1 wrote: »

Hmmm, my math:
400 the first day
50 for each of the next 13 days
100 for each of the remaining 7 days

100 for each day of the bonus weekend (4)
50 for each day that's not a bonus weekend (?)

If we assume there's only going to be the one per event:
100*4 = 400 for bonus
50*10 = 500 for normal runs

That's 900 per TFO.

2,700 total, 300 short of 3,000. 300/50 = 6 extra runs across 3 TFOs, so 2 extra per for guaranteed run at the ship (otherwise you're relying on Cryptic running more than one bonus weekend for a couple TFO's.) TBH I expect that Cryptic will be running two bonus weekends per event (otherwise they're more or less demanding that folks play on a specific weekend each month in order to participate) but that's not yet been confirmed (so, plan for 1 to be on the safe side.)

lordmalak1 · April 2019

duncanidaho11 wrote: »

lordmalak1 wrote: »

Hmmm, my math:
400 the first day
50 for each of the next 13 days
100 for each of the remaining 7 days

100 for each day of the bonus weekend (4)
50 for each day that's not a bonus weekend (?)

If we assume there's only going to be the one per event:
100*4 = 400 for bonus
50*10 = 500 for normal runs

That's 900 per TFO.

2,700 total, 300 short of 3,000. 300/50 = 6 extra runs across 3 TFOs, so 2 extra per for guaranteed run at the ship (otherwise you're relying on Cryptic running more than one bonus weekend for a couple TFO's.) TBH I expect that Cryptic will be running two bonus weekends per event (otherwise they're more or less demanding that folks play on a specific weekend each month in order to participate) but that's not yet been confirmed (so, plan for 1 to be on the safe side.)

My bad, I thought the first day was 400 like every other event kickoff day.
Also, arent each of the 3 events 21 days ?

davefenestrator · April 2019

lordmalak1 wrote: »

duncanidaho11 wrote: »

lordmalak1 wrote: »

Hmmm, my math:
400 the first day
50 for each of the next 13 days
100 for each of the remaining 7 days

100 for each day of the bonus weekend (4)
50 for each day that's not a bonus weekend (?)

If we assume there's only going to be the one per event:
100*4 = 400 for bonus
50*10 = 500 for normal runs

That's 900 per TFO.

2,700 total, 300 short of 3,000. 300/50 = 6 extra runs across 3 TFOs, so 2 extra per for guaranteed run at the ship (otherwise you're relying on Cryptic running more than one bonus weekend for a couple TFO's.) TBH I expect that Cryptic will be running two bonus weekends per event (otherwise they're more or less demanding that folks play on a specific weekend each month in order to participate) but that's not yet been confirmed (so, plan for 1 to be on the safe side.)

My bad, I thought the first day was 400 like every other event kickoff day.
Also, arent each of the 3 events 21 days ?

Yes, 2700 is the result from catching all 4x3 = 12 double-fun days but only doing the minimum 10x3 = 30 more days needed for the 14-day projects. It's ignoring the 7 extra days per event.

lordmalak1 · April 2019

davefenestrator wrote: »

lordmalak1 wrote: »

duncanidaho11 wrote: »

lordmalak1 wrote: »

Hmmm, my math:
400 the first day
50 for each of the next 13 days
100 for each of the remaining 7 days

100 for each day of the bonus weekend (4)
50 for each day that's not a bonus weekend (?)

If we assume there's only going to be the one per event:
100*4 = 400 for bonus
50*10 = 500 for normal runs

That's 900 per TFO.

2,700 total, 300 short of 3,000. 300/50 = 6 extra runs across 3 TFOs, so 2 extra per for guaranteed run at the ship (otherwise you're relying on Cryptic running more than one bonus weekend for a couple TFO's.) TBH I expect that Cryptic will be running two bonus weekends per event (otherwise they're more or less demanding that folks play on a specific weekend each month in order to participate) but that's not yet been confirmed (so, plan for 1 to be on the safe side.)

My bad, I thought the first day was 400 like every other event kickoff day.
Also, arent each of the 3 events 21 days ?

Yes, 2700 is the result from catching all 4x3 = 12 double-fun days but only doing the minimum 10x3 = 30 more days needed for the 14-day projects. It's ignoring the 7 extra days per event.

If the minimum is all thats expected from us, then there has to be another bonus weekend sometime in the event. The 10 days after the opening bonus weekend can't earn 600 coupons, and since the consoles are also account unlocks there's no need to daily farm this mission on other alts. The 7 extra days per event are strictly mark farming days, right ?

Bonus Progress Token Weekend! Question

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