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It is inevitable that this ship will make it in game at some point, when it does what would you want it to be able to do. Me personally as just a flavor power I'd like it to be able to Masquerade as a freighter or an asteroid in Sector space. In missions give it a cloak (I'd like a battlecloak but we won't get that). What do you guys think?
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kind of like the mimic/MCV holo-cloak in homeworld cataclysm
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A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
I would assume it would be an offensively focused ship, probably something similar to a battle cruiser but hard to tell from the limited screen time so far.
It's an ok'ish looking ship.. I wouldn't jump to try and get it unless it had some unique or cool mechanic that made it special.
I love everyone's Idea's for the ship so far esp the Cloak (but not a cloak) and hope they do that where it masquerades as space debris/asteroids when cloaked.
I don't think it did. Remember this is a HIGHLY secretive organization. How else would they be able to do even half the things they were said to do in Enterprise and DS9? Would make sense that they would have more assets available to them. Hell... its also entirely possible that Star Trek VI might have shown Section 31 in action, but they weren't identified as such.
We know Section 31 existed as far back as the 22nd Century. We know they existed well into the 24th Century. What we don't know is what they were doing during the 23rd. Its possible that something made them scale back their operations to stay in the shadows.
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#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Or they could just introduce a new Specialization - Skunkworks/DARPA or some such Advanced Research type. Giving you random offensive capabilities similar to how the Miracle Worker abilities work. Maybe a smidge of something Intel-like, Temporal-like, etc.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
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> colonelmarik wrote: »
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> But... Section 31 doesn't have ships, or offices or anything else like that.
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> In DS9 they didn't.
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> This isn't DS9. And Discovery has pretty much shown us how they end up like that in DS9.
True. Pike literally called it a branch of Starfleet in one of the recent episodes if I'm not mistaken
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Or it would be if STO had elemental rock-paper-scissors.
Yes they did. They had a ship equipped with a holodeck in Inqusition that also had a cloaking device as the station couldn't detect a ship in orbit.
Based on both those factors it's probably the same ship from Insurrection but that's obviously speculation.
S31 in DSC functions, acts, and exists no differently to how it did in DS9.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Except on DS9 Section 31 didn't spend as much time and energy advertising their existence.
And they don't in DSC either. They're covert ops not ghosts.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Covert ops is one thing. Starfleet Intelligence or Starfleet Security would handle covert ops. Granted Section 31 would also engage in covert ops, but they would also work their collective buttocks off to not be revealed as an entity within Starfleet. They wouldn't just operate within the shadows, but also create the shadows in which to operate. As such they ought to bloody well be smart enough not to advertise their presence by wearing separate insignia, or even wearing insignia that would raise questions.
In Deep Space Nine Section 31 operated in such a manner. In Discovery they are one whiffy methane burst away from opening a gift shop and selling plushies by comparison.
I was bitten by the edit bug and I don't care enough about this to go into the same detail twice so I'll make this short.
Which Section 31 is more dangerous?
A) Deep Space Nine where Section 31 not only operates within the shadows but also creates the shadows in which to operate.
You forgot a cardboard box.
And in what way are those different? Slone is on a covert mission in the middle of a war and Leyland dosn't even wear his insignia. Barely anybody knows about S31 in DSC and it's only slightly more than the number of people who know about them in DS9.
The supposed 'public' image of S31 in DSC is overblown to ridiculous levels. Throughout S1 they were unknown as only rumours to everybody on the Disco except Lorca (as somebody had to have hired the guy in the transporter room) and Ash had only heard rumours about them.
By S2 they are known to Pike (who's friends with Leyland), Ash (who's now part of them), the Emperor (who's part of them), Burnham (who found out about them from Ash), and Cornwall who would have to be stupider than she already is not to know about a branch of Starfleet.
Hell, the only people who actually wear their badges are the transporter guy and Ash. The crew of Leylands ship don't even wear them. Hardly 'one stiff aft wind from opening a gift shop in the lobby' is it?
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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In DS9, Section 31 is completely unknown to most Starfleet personnel. It is considered a separate (and rogue) organization from Starfleet (DS9 "Dogs of War").
In DS9, Section 31 has unlimited access and control to all Starfleet and Federation resources... somehow. This seems to suggest that, rather than being an open part of Starfleet Intelligence (as it is in ST:D), Section 31 has "rebranded" itself. Perhaps the sheep were catching onto the fact that the Space Illuminati was running everything so they had to "disappear". Much easier to be the shadow puppet masters of the Federation if no one can see the strings.
Edit: Wrote the wrong episode for the prisoners.
Also... am I the only one who remembers that they appeared in Enterprise as well?
So if anyone notices any canon-conflict in the Discovery version, it would be difficult to explain it as a change of operating procedure between TOS & DS9.
This Control sh*tshow may force Section 31 to be more circumspect.
How many people know that the base on Cestus III is a Section 31 listening post?
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
I can't help but notice you left out the words, "by comparison," in that last sentence where you quoted me. Oh, sorry, misquoted me. Notice how the absence of those two words alter the context of the position I'm taking.
Discovery is just badly written on nearly every front.
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