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Any idea when or if we can get fleet versions of The T6 Odyssey and other ships? Thnks to the T6 Reps, I've got these modules just sitting here...
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The obvious question is... WHY NOT? It would not be game-breaking to add the 10% upgrade, and instead of an additional BOFF seat just increase the grade of one of the existing "off task" seats. Like the T6 tactical oddy has a Lt Sci seat, make it a Lt Cmdr seat. Or add an extra grade to engineering on the sci oddy or tac to an engineering oddy.
I paid for a T6 ship, but that forbids me permanently from pursuing a fleet upgrade, especially with the rep system now providing modules? Seems counter-intuitive to me. Why would I buy a T6 if I can do the T5-U fleet version cheaper with very similar results to a T6? Cryptic missing some incentives for buying T6 it seems to me.
Single C-Store ship releases, ships that are single but part of a two or three Cross-faction Ship Pack are NOT Fleet grade. The Fleet upgrades provide extra Hull and an extra Console slot.
T5 Ships, even if they are Fleet grade, will require either a free or Token Upgrade to get to T5U.
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As it sits right now the cstore variants of ships have 10 console slots, slightly less hull and base stats, along with granting the universal console the ship comes with and also the 5th mastery unlock that grants the trait.
Fleet ships have 11 console slots, slightly higher hull and base stats than their cstore variants. They only have 4 mastery levels, as it's assumed you've already unlocked the trait from the cstore version, thus you don't need the 5th mastery, and they do NOT come with the universal console the cstore variant typically does. The exception to this rule is the Tempest which comes with the baked in tail gun. If a ship already has the 11 console slots, then it does NOT need to upgrade to fleet level as it's already the same level of quality as a fleet ship.
There are 2 main reasons as to why they don't do fleet odysseys as a primary example.
1: they're already at fleet level and are one of the select few ships that don't require you to upgrade and purchase a second ship via a fleet module. they have all the bonuses and so on that fleet variant will have.
2: assuming they were to give a new fleet level to the odysseys this would mean they would now have 12 console slots and even higher base stats still. at this point you have given an extreme power advantage to those ships as they could clearly be superior in terms of options compared to a normal fleet ship. Why at that point would I go for a normal fleet ship that has only 11 consoles when I could pick up a fleet odyssey or similar and get 12?
To grant them additional consoles, stats and such beyond the already existing normal t6 fleet ships would unfairly tip the balance in their direction. At that point they may as well start producing and selling t7 ships, and trust me when I say you don't want that happening.
To answer your question about why someone would pick a cstore t6 vs a t5u fleet ship there's a couple of reasons actually. cstore ships unlock for every toon on an account that can use them, fleet ships are character specific. The strength to a t6 ship is they will also grant you starship traits that can be used on other ships, and they also grant access to specialist seating such as Intel, Command, Pilot etc. While t5u ships are still very capable in today's game, they simply do not grant the same bonuses a t6 can grant.
A major incentive to folks buying the odysseys and similar ship is that they already start at fleet level. If you make them an additional fleet level higher, you remove incentive for folks to buy the other now lesser t6 ships, thus less money for Cryptic and the game.
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Even those are still 11-console though. Only MW ships get 12 consoles.
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they're the exception and not the rule. even then that's only because of their miracle worker status.
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OP doesn't seem to be hung up about console count, but other factors instead. The Vengeance has a higher hull and turnrate than the Oddy, but ties in shield mod. Though lacking in additional BOff seats like OP mentioned in their second post, it does have more Speciliaztion seats: a Lt. Temporal/Universal and full Intel/Engineering Commander seat-- granting it extra abilities, like cloak and a targetable debuff (though long cooldown on it makes it only mildly handy).
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They've made no mention of making Three-pack ships into Fleet ships and consider them fleet grade already in anything like Livestreams. I vaguely recall it coming up once, but the answer was no then. While the past isn't a 100% predictor of the future, I see little reason why they'd do this.
Because it's a bad idea and would be overall detrimental to the game.
So you get your bump on your Odyssey.. then what happens when someone else wants it for another ship? You got yours.. why shouldn't they get theirs? Soon that is the new standard and people want a little more. It never ends.
What about current Fleet Ships? Now players have purchased a T6 Ship for 3k Zen, used a Fleet Module for 500 Zen and they're behind the curve vs. the ship you now have that cost you the same amount but is still better. How is that fair? People flying other ships already have to pay 500 Zen to get what you already got for free.. but that's still not enough?
T6 Fleet is the highest current grade in the game. You can't go Fleet with your Odyssey because you already got that upgrade for free. You paid 3k and got the fleet version without having to do anything else.. you got an extra feature.. for free and now you're complaining that you want more.
Your request is unreasonable and frankly sounds a little selfish.
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