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TOS security escort ability - wrong era, working as intended?

ioneonioneon Member Posts: 207 Arc User
Out of the 6 starting "factions" (for my lack of a better term), all but TOS tactical characters get a custom crew befitting of said faction.

FED beam in current FED security escorts in the Oddy uniforms
KDF beam in KDF security escorts
ROM beam in ROM security escorts
JEM beam in JEM security escorts
DSC beam in DSC security escorts

TOS beam in the same 25th century security escorts that normal FEDs beam in.

Is this working as intended? Should TOS security escort beam in TOS era security escorts?
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    markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,231 Arc User
    Um, you're told by Daniels to pretend to be a 2409 Fed. So...
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    ioneonioneon Member Posts: 207 Arc User
    Um, you're told by Daniels to pretend to be a 2409 Fed. So...

    You're told by Daniels to pretend to be a 2409 Fed if you make a Discovery character as well, yet they beam down Discovery escorts.
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    tigerariestigeraries Member Posts: 3,492 Arc User
    edited February 2019
    it should be... in fact ALL Fed toons should be beaming in current time security. Dont see why Disc Feds can still beam in 23rd C Discovery Security.
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    ioneonioneon Member Posts: 207 Arc User
    tigeraries wrote: »
    it should be... in fact ALL Fed toons should be beaming in current time security. Dont see why Disc Feds can still beam in 23rd C Discovery Security.

    And that would be fine too, but right now it seems like something is functioning incorrectly. If one solution was decided for one, it seems to me that it should be applied to the other.
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    ioneonioneon Member Posts: 207 Arc User
    Also, I'll point out that TOS characters also get TOS beaming effects, communicators, tricorders, scanning effects, warp effects and a UI. They also have access to a fleet of T6 TOS ships, weapons (space and ground), uniforms, bridge officers, a fleet holding, BOFF abilities and kit modules.

    The security escorts is where we draw the line? It seems to me if TOS toons get all of that, by default, they were probably supposed to get the security escorts.
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    lexusk19lexusk19 Member Posts: 1,408 Arc User
    ioneon wrote: »
    Also, I'll point out that TOS characters also get TOS beaming effects, communicators, tricorders, scanning effects, warp effects and a UI. They also have access to a fleet of T6 TOS ships, weapons (space and ground), uniforms, bridge officers, a fleet holding, BOFF abilities and kit modules.

    The security escorts is where we draw the line? It seems to me if TOS toons get all of that, by default, they were probably supposed to get the security escorts.

    Agreed. And it seems like ToS toons are just left behind in the dust... >.> I want more TOS Ships!
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    neoakiraiineoakiraii Member Posts: 7,468 Arc User
    I to wish to beam down Wave after wave of men in redshirts
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    angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,001 Arc User
    edited February 2019
    The Discovery characters make the argument that TOS characters are now in the future completely moot and from this point on forward this is a glaring oversight.

    Security Escort, Photonic Fleet, Fleet Support and Medics (DOFF that beams down a medic on the use of hyposprays) should all be era appropriate.​​
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    ^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
    "No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
    "A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
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    spiritbornspiritborn Member Posts: 4,297 Arc User
    angrytarg wrote: »
    The Discovery characters make the argument that TOS characters are now in the future completely moot and from this point on forward this is a glaring oversight.

    Security Escort, Photonic Fleet, Fleet Support and Medics (DOFF that beams down a medic on the use of hyposprays) should all be era appropriate.​​

    Honestly it wouldn't surprise me at all if that was something the devs want to do at some point, but it would surprise if that was a priority in any way.
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    warpangelwarpangel Member Posts: 9,427 Arc User
    They decided not to make security escorts for TOSlings, then decided differently for Disco, for no particular reason. So what else is new? Cryptic has long history of making style choices like this. Just look at all the outfit restrictions that have all the consistency of dice rolls. Or which ships get custom bridges.

    But personally, I couldn't care less what pre-made stock minions my security escort summons. If they aren't customizable, they aren't mine.
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    angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,001 Arc User
    warpangel wrote: »
    They decided not to make security escorts for TOSlings, then decided differently for Disco, for no particular reason. So what else is new? Cryptic has long history of making style choices like this. Just look at all the outfit restrictions that have all the consistency of dice rolls. Or which ships get custom bridges.

    But personally, I couldn't care less what pre-made stock minions my security escort summons. If they aren't customizable, they aren't mine.

    That's also a good point. Being able to customize Fleet Support and Redshirts at least visually would be a huge deal. In the next step they are even allowed to be geared out with some equipment, like a Diablo 2 merc. Imagine your Fleet Support summons one of your drydock vessels.​​
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    ^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
    "No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
    "A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
    "That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
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    markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,231 Arc User
    angrytarg wrote: »
    The Discovery characters make the argument that TOS characters are now in the future completely moot and from this point on forward this is a glaring oversight.

    Security Escort, Photonic Fleet, Fleet Support and Medics (DOFF that beams down a medic on the use of hyposprays) should all be era appropriate.​​
    Story-wise, in-universe, your TOS character is the only one. You needed to die in battle for the greater good of the Federation, but it was a single specific captain in one ship. Discovery... there was a lot more than one person, also it wasn't Daniels that displaced you in time. It was J'ula, and she displaced not just you but all of Starbase 1 and the fleet protecting it.
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    rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,143 Community Moderator
    By all rights Discovery Captains should share the communicator animations with TOS Captains. But for some reason we got the combadge tap.
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    ioneonioneon Member Posts: 207 Arc User
    rattler2 wrote: »
    By all rights Discovery Captains should share the communicator animations with TOS Captains. But for some reason we got the combadge tap.

    This has also irked me a little.
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    angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,001 Arc User
    Story-wise, in-universe, your TOS character is the only one. You needed to die in battle for the greater good of the Federation, but it was a single specific captain in one ship. Discovery... there was a lot more than one person, also it wasn't Daniels that displaced you in time. It was J'ula, and she displaced not just you but all of Starbase 1 and the fleet protecting it.

    I know that, but in-universe it makes no sense the people continue using antiquated technology and further, this is not about in-universe logic. When I choose a TOS character I get the TOS loading screens, emotes and uniform options. Why are the escorts and space support exempt from it, when it isn't the case for any other group? Pretending it is to preserve in-universe consistency is nonsense, and anyone who claims it knows that full and well.​​
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    ^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
    "No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
    "A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
    "That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
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    spiritbornspiritborn Member Posts: 4,297 Arc User
    angrytarg wrote: »
    The Discovery characters make the argument that TOS characters are now in the future completely moot and from this point on forward this is a glaring oversight.

    Security Escort, Photonic Fleet, Fleet Support and Medics (DOFF that beams down a medic on the use of hyposprays) should all be era appropriate.​​
    Story-wise, in-universe, your TOS character is the only one. You needed to die in battle for the greater good of the Federation, but it was a single specific captain in one ship. Discovery... there was a lot more than one person, also it wasn't Daniels that displaced you in time. It was J'ula, and she displaced not just you but all of Starbase 1 and the fleet protecting it.
    Actually she displaced you, Her own ship and her escorts, SB1 remained and was later taken over by klingons and there's no indication that Shran or the other captain whose name I can't recall atm got displaced.
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    neoakiraiineoakiraii Member Posts: 7,468 Arc User
    edited February 2019
    angrytarg wrote: »
    The Discovery characters make the argument that TOS characters are now in the future completely moot and from this point on forward this is a glaring oversight.

    Security Escort, Photonic Fleet, Fleet Support and Medics (DOFF that beams down a medic on the use of hyposprays) should all be era appropriate.​​
    Story-wise, in-universe, your TOS character is the only one. You needed to die in battle for the greater good of the Federation, but it was a single specific captain in one ship. Discovery... there was a lot more than one person, also it wasn't Daniels that displaced you in time. It was J'ula, and she displaced not just you but all of Starbase 1 and the fleet protecting it.

    Actual he says he saved you and some members of your crew Cough couch your TOS bridge officers

    Anyway Cryptic needs to add TOS redshirts for AoY characters to die like they were born to do

    Edit: also side note yeah WHY are Discovery characters tapping combadges ? was I in section 31?
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    rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,143 Community Moderator
    neoakiraii wrote: »
    Edit: also side note yeah WHY are Discovery characters tapping combadges ? was I in section 31?

    Either an oversight or they didn't have time to fully impliment something. I think the Discovery communicator has a slightly different chirp than the TOS one.
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    khan5000khan5000 Member Posts: 3,007 Arc User
    rattler2 wrote: »
    By all rights Discovery Captains should share the communicator animations with TOS Captains. But for some reason we got the combadge tap.

    because the Disco Captains are Section 31
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    evilmark444evilmark444 Member Posts: 6,950 Arc User
    angrytarg wrote: »
    Security Escort, Photonic Fleet, Fleet Support and Medics (DOFF that beams down a medic on the use of hyposprays) should all be era appropriate.​​

    Better yet, they should just give us multiple versions of each, one for each era, with shared cooldowns so that we can pick exactly which era we want to use. For me at least my "Discovery" character is actually a TOS character because I made it before true Discovery characters were a thing, and I can't justify purchasing the various lock box and lobi items I'm using a second time just so that the character can have era appropriate abilities.
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    angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,001 Arc User
    > @evilmark444 said:
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    > Security Escort, Photonic Fleet, Fleet Support and Medics (DOFF that beams down a medic on the use of hyposprays) should all be era appropriate.​​
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    > Better yet, they should just give us multiple versions of each, one for each era, with shared cooldowns so that we can pick exactly which era we want to use. For me at least my "Discovery" character is actually a TOS character because I made it before true Discovery characters were a thing, and I can't justify purchasing the various lock box and lobi items I'm using a second time just so that the character can have era appropriate abilities.

    I feel that would be utopic. The visuals are sonehow tied to the faction, having that match up would be a good first step.
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    ^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
    "No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
    "A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
    "That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
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    luminaire#0745 luminaire Member Posts: 77 Arc User
    angrytarg wrote: »
    The Discovery characters make the argument that TOS characters are now in the future completely moot and from this point on forward this is a glaring oversight.

    Security Escort, Photonic Fleet, Fleet Support and Medics (DOFF that beams down a medic on the use of hyposprays) should all be era appropriate.​​

    More practically, they should all just be 25th century, because it's a bit silly that they'd still be using the old ones. :p Finding out that my DSC Captain I made solely for the warp and and scan animations has DSC security escorts has completely killed my enthusiasm for the character.


    angrytarg wrote: »
    I feel that would be utopic. The visuals are sonehow tied to the faction, having that match up would be a good first step.

    It wouldn't be utopic, it would be Cryptic finally catching up to something that has been common practice in dozens of other MMO's for years: Selling cosmetic animation/equipment/ability changes.

    Between the clunky user-unfriendly C-Store, the hoop jumping and delays in buying Zen, and their opting out of extremely easy and popular everywhere else cosmetic options, I sometimes think Cryptic is actively trying to not make money.

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    angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,001 Arc User
    It wouldn't be utopic, it would be Cryptic finally catching up to something that has been common practice in dozens of other MMO's for years: Selling cosmetic animation/equipment/ability changes.

    Between the clunky user-unfriendly C-Store, the hoop jumping and delays in buying Zen, and their opting out of extremely easy and popular everywhere else cosmetic options, I sometimes think Cryptic is actively trying to not make money.

    That'd be a point, but I somehow think that STO doesn't work that way. But only the devs would know that.​​
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    ^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
    "No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
    "A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
    "That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
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    markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,231 Arc User
    The devs once tried selling ship skins in the Z-store.... Apparently they were so unprofitable that they got re-purposed as things you can get from fleet stores.
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    ioneonioneon Member Posts: 207 Arc User
    should beam in 6 red shirts, 3 of whom died instantly

    XD
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