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  • gaevsmangaevsman Member Posts: 2,102 Arc User
    edited February 12
    Been those scalable ships, changes a little the outcome, just fix the damn Boffs and we are ok!
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  • themadprofessor#9835 themadprofessor Member Posts: 1,194 Arc User
    fewzz wrote: »
    The Escort just looks silly, so leaves me one ship for 12k Zen lmao and its stats arent great, its also a MW ship so why is it lacking that extra console slot???? makes the pack now completely and utterly TRASH.


    Um, it HAS the Universal Console Slot.

    Standard ship has 3 Tac, 5 Eng, 2 Sci, and 1 Universal, a total of 11 consoles.

    Fleet version adds a tac console for a total of 12.

    If you're gonna complain, at least do it with factual information.
    Mad Science means never stopping to ask "What's the worst that could happen?"

    Things I want in STO:

    1) More character customization options such as more clothing options, letting the toon complexion affect the entire body, not just the head. Also a true RGB color picker applied to all costume and appearance options, which would allow for true appearance customization and homogenous colors instead of "this same exact color looks vastly different on two different pieces."
    2) Bridge customization, not bridge packs. Let us pick a general layout and adjust the color palette, console appearance, and chair types, as well as more ready room layout options.
    3) Customizable ground weapons, i.e. The aesthetic look of phaser dual pistols but they shoot antiproton bolts. For obvious reasons this would only apply to standard ground weapons.
    4) For the love of Q please revamp Plasma Ground Weapons. They look like demented Supersoakers right now.
    5) True Vanity Impulse and Deflector effects similar to Vanity Shields.
    6) A greater payout for hitting T6 Reputations. Currently it takes more time and resources to get from T5 to T6 than it does to get from nothing to T5. Make that grind really pay out at the end.
    7) Mirrorverse Refugee event similar to AoY/Delta/Gamma, complete with new Mirrorverse recruits for all factions.
    8) Independent Faction, because yo ho yo ho a pirate's life for me!
  • fewzzfewzz Member Posts: 205 Arc User
    edited February 12
    fewzz wrote: »
    The Escort just looks silly, so leaves me one ship for 12k Zen lmao and its stats arent great, its also a MW ship so why is it lacking that extra console slot???? makes the pack now completely and utterly TRASH.


    Um, it HAS the Universal Console Slot.

    Standard ship has 3 Tac, 5 Eng, 2 Sci, and 1 Universal, a total of 11 consoles.

    Fleet version adds a tac console for a total of 12.

    If you're gonna complain, at least do it with factual information.

    The MW for Feds have 12 consoles this new one has 11 doesnt it? unless you pay again for modules and upgrade so pack is even more useless?

  • coldnapalmcoldnapalm Member Posts: 7,715 Arc User
    where2r1 wrote: »
    I looked at the Pilot BoP.... It is a scaling ship....Which was not mentioned in the original blog post. It is actually a ship bundle into itself. Think about it.

    Instead of selling me separate T-1, then a T-2, then a T-3, T-4, T-5, and T-6 Pilot BoP....it is all rolled into one. And it has Pilot Maneuver buttons from the get go...well, not sure about that, it may be an unlock at T-4 or something. LOL! Fun thinking about it, though.

    Other than I don't get Admiralty cards for each Tier. Which was the reason I purchased a bunch of lower level ships, previously....you may be saving money comparatively.

    So, redo your math, taking into consideration the costs for purchase of those T-1 thru T-5 ships that is no longer incurred for flying a Zen ship at lower level.

    Since the free ships are perfectly good enough to use while leveling up, there is 2 reasons to buy low tier ships. You either get it for the visual unlocks or the console it comes with...something scaling ships don't add. So yeah no, it's not really adding value.
  • trillbuffettrillbuffet Member Posts: 539 Arc User
    I'm still not sure I would want this goa'uld looking space dust pan for a bop I might think about getting it but only if I can make it look like an actual bird of prey.
  • themadprofessor#9835 themadprofessor Member Posts: 1,194 Arc User
    fewzz wrote: »
    fewzz wrote: »
    The Escort just looks silly, so leaves me one ship for 12k Zen lmao and its stats arent great, its also a MW ship so why is it lacking that extra console slot???? makes the pack now completely and utterly TRASH.


    Um, it HAS the Universal Console Slot.

    Standard ship has 3 Tac, 5 Eng, 2 Sci, and 1 Universal, a total of 11 consoles.

    Fleet version adds a tac console for a total of 12.

    If you're gonna complain, at least do it with factual information.

    The MW for Feds have 12 consoles this new one has 11 doesnt it? unless you pay again for modules and upgrade so pack is even more useless?

    Fed MW ships don't have a Fleet variant, so they have 12 consoles. Fleet ships add a console, so making the standard ship have 12 consoles would be unfeasible because there is no ship that has 13 consoles and therefore no coding to allow for 13 consoles. So they brought the standard down to 11 consoles to give it max consoles when a Fleet ship is bought.

    But hey, go ahead and complain. It's your right. But think about this... Many people buy fleet ships BECAUSE of the 10% increase and the extra slot. Imagine the hoopla if people got a 12 console standard and thought they woukd get a 13th console to get the fleet version, only to find out they didn't.
    Mad Science means never stopping to ask "What's the worst that could happen?"

    Things I want in STO:

    1) More character customization options such as more clothing options, letting the toon complexion affect the entire body, not just the head. Also a true RGB color picker applied to all costume and appearance options, which would allow for true appearance customization and homogenous colors instead of "this same exact color looks vastly different on two different pieces."
    2) Bridge customization, not bridge packs. Let us pick a general layout and adjust the color palette, console appearance, and chair types, as well as more ready room layout options.
    3) Customizable ground weapons, i.e. The aesthetic look of phaser dual pistols but they shoot antiproton bolts. For obvious reasons this would only apply to standard ground weapons.
    4) For the love of Q please revamp Plasma Ground Weapons. They look like demented Supersoakers right now.
    5) True Vanity Impulse and Deflector effects similar to Vanity Shields.
    6) A greater payout for hitting T6 Reputations. Currently it takes more time and resources to get from T5 to T6 than it does to get from nothing to T5. Make that grind really pay out at the end.
    7) Mirrorverse Refugee event similar to AoY/Delta/Gamma, complete with new Mirrorverse recruits for all factions.
    8) Independent Faction, because yo ho yo ho a pirate's life for me!
  • disqord#9557 disqord Member Posts: 531 Arc User
    The idea that scaling magically makes the ships in the pack worth more is complete garbage. They already have the scaling stats system programmed from the Styx and Proto-Walker, it's not exactly a tough job to copy and paste that onto the new ships. And let's not forget that the Proto-Walker costs the SAME as a non-scaling T4 ship, which shows that they don't value scaling as an individual ship each rank, or even value it AT ALL.
  • wilvwilv Member Posts: 386 Arc User
    edited February 12
    I'm confused. Will the ships in the pack include the DISCO skins, or is that restricted to the Fleet versions?
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  • starshine#7408 starshine Member Posts: 27 Arc User
    wilv wrote: »
    I'm confused will the ships in the pack include the DISCO skins, or is that restricted to the Fleet versions?

    This is what I would like to know too.
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  • sftricksftrick Member Posts: 45 Arc User
    edited February 12
    There's no reason to think the ships won't have Discovery skins. Every Discovery-era ship released so far has them -- and it'd be a level of ridiculous even beyond the most ridiculous Cryptic standards to leave Discovery skins off Discovery-era ships.
  • kodachikunokodachikuno Member Posts: 6,020 Arc User1
    edited February 12
    reyan01 wrote: »
    ferroequus wrote: »
    Here is a Romulan ship I'd like to see come to STO:

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    I see a LOT of similarities with Klingon BoPs, so it looks more like a Klingon ship imho.

    remember the bird of prey was originally a romulan design kruge stole

    That was disproven by the fact that the Klingons were using BoP's in 'Enterprise', of a very similar design to the (later in the timeline) B'Rel (Kruge's ship) seen in TSFS.
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    that doesnt change the fact that the original models were created IRL with romulans in mind not klingons, FASA used that at the time when making their TWOK era warbirds, which also pre-date ENT by a few decades
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    tacofangs wrote: »
    STO isn't canon, and neither are any of the books.
  • ambassadorkael#6946 ambassadorkael Member, Administrator Posts: 2,017 Community Manager
    In addition to the previously announced 30% off sale, the Discovery Operations Pack has gotten even better! For purchasers of the Discovery Starter Pack, you'll be able to buy the Operations Pack for 10500 ZEN. In addition, the two bridge officers are now account wide unlocks!
  • reyan01reyan01 Member Posts: 12,890 Arc User
    edited February 12
    In addition to the previously announced 30% off sale, the Discovery Operations Pack has gotten even better! For purchasers of the Discovery Starter Pack, you'll be able to buy the Operations Pack for 10500 ZEN. In addition, the two bridge officers are now account wide unlocks!

    Seems like the feedback was taken onboard then.
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  • captaintredegarcaptaintredegar Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    congrats everyone, they listened to us, ships, boffs and outfits are account wide unlocks!
  • leveslylevesly Member Posts: 53 Arc User
    Does this mean that existing owners of the starter pack will buy it at 30% discount of the 10500 price during the sale period?
  • phoenix841phoenix841 Member Posts: 386 Arc User
    edited February 12
    levesly wrote: »
    Does this mean that existing owners of the starter pack will buy it at 30% discount of the 10500 price during the sale period?

    I also wonder this.

    Also, too bad the combat pet isn't account unlock as well. At the very least, make it *bound to account* instead of *bound to character* so I can trade it between characters.
    I'm reconsidering getting this pack, but I'm still waiting to see if the pot gets sweeter.

    There is at least one ship I want, and that's the Miracle Worker one. It's the only MW C-Store ship that looks good.
    LTS Since Beta (Jan 2010).
  • djf021djf021 Member Posts: 1,312 Arc User
    In addition to the previously announced 30% off sale, the Discovery Operations Pack has gotten even better! For purchasers of the Discovery Starter Pack, you'll be able to buy the Operations Pack for 10500 ZEN. In addition, the two bridge officers are now account wide unlocks!

    It's still not worth it, all the items except the keys need to be account bound and the overall price is still too high IMO.

    I agree, the 8000-9000 should have been full price, with 6500-7500 (this is just quick math in my head) being the price for owners of the pack, based on the general cost/value of every other previously released pack.
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  • iamynaughtiamynaught Member Posts: 1,158 Arc User
    In addition to the previously announced 30% off sale, the Discovery Operations Pack has gotten even better! For purchasers of the Discovery Starter Pack, you'll be able to buy the Operations Pack for 10500 ZEN. In addition, the two bridge officers are now account wide unlocks!

    So now the BOff's are account unlocks. A step in the right direction.

    And there is a discounted price for those of us who already bought the Discovery Starter Pack. Another step in the right direction.

    Now all we need is for the Tardigrade Combat Pet to be an account unlock and for the overall price of the pack to be dropped to around 8k Zen (6500 Zen for Discovery Starter Pack owners). Then I may buy it.

    Until then, nope.

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  • nikolunusnikolunus Member Posts: 159 Arc User
    Making the bridge officers account unlocks brings it more in line with prior packs. The discount for already having the starter pack I figured would have been a given. So then comes the still glairing problem, for those that don't have the starter pack it is still a base price of 12k zen 1k more zen gets you the Vanguard bundle that is superior in every single way. All the new ships in it already end game quality no extra grinding or money spent needed for them. More than twice as many ships, the value diffrence is staggering. Cryptic I honestly hope you guys are saving some special things for a last minute reveal cause, some may have been calmed but there are still many out there putting their wallets away and pulling back their trust. Sto has generally always been one of the most fair and steady games to their playerbase. I may end up purchasing this pack a year down the road after grinding that mass amount of Dil I would need to convert to zen. To put down what little cash I can save for game spending would feel like a waist in this instance. And as a longtime supportive player that is painful to say.
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  • star777#1317 star777 Member Posts: 2 Arc User
    > @"ambassadorkael#6946" said:
    > In addition to the previously announced 30% off sale, the Discovery Operations Pack has gotten even better! For purchasers of the Discovery Starter Pack, you'll be able to buy the Operations Pack for 10500 ZEN. In addition, the two bridge officers are now account wide unlocks!

    This is good news, not only do players get the chance to get a discount if one purchased the starter pack, but they did make all the boffs account wide unlock.

    In regards to the combat pet, I do not mind it being a once unlock - As they probably will sell it in the C-Store like they did the combat horta etc...

    I know most folks may still be a bit upset, but at least they have listen. So take this as a positive.

    HINT - wait for Black Friday next Thanksgiving, it will be even cheaper, trust me.
  • klaxxon82klaxxon82 Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    BoFFs are account wide, tardigrade is once per account.
  • phoenix841phoenix841 Member Posts: 386 Arc User
    edited February 12
    HINT - wait for Black Friday next Thanksgiving, it will be even cheaper, trust me.

    Indeed, the "introductory price" was never a draw for me, I know if I wait I'll get it at that price or even lower later.
    It's the overall value I'm looking at, and someone just compared to the VIL pack, it's significantly overvalued by Cryptic.

    Simplified comparison:
    Gamma Pack:
    7 End-game T6 ships (Fleet level)
    3 T5U ships.

    3 Account-wide BOFFs

    Total cost: 13k zen

    Discovery Pack:
    4 Not-quite-so-end-game T6 ships (some are leveling, some appear not to be)
    1 T4 ship (leveling)

    1 Account-wide BOFF per faction (two total, but effectively 1, unlike Gamma had all three for every faction)

    Total cost: 12k zen

    Irrelevant stuff left out, these are the biggies.
    (For reference, Gamma pack as a lot more of the 'irrelevant' stuff than Disco pack.)
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  • sukhothaisukhothai Member Posts: 219 Arc User
    congrats everyone, they listened to us, ships, boffs and outfits are account wide unlocks!

    The Combat Tardigrade is still once per account. So only one of my characters will be able to obtain it.
  • where2r1where2r1 Member Posts: 5,936 Arc User
    coldnapalm wrote: »

    Since the free ships are perfectly good enough to use while leveling up, there is 2 reasons to buy low tier ships. You either get it for the visual unlocks or the console it comes with...something scaling ships don't add. So yeah no, it's not really adding value.

    You are getting every tier of low level, Zen ship for the cost of one T-6. You no longer have to deal with playing with "good enough" as you level up.
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  • nommo#5819 nommo Member Posts: 904 Arc User
    Now with everyone patting each other on their collective backs & reconsidering buying this pack because of the starter pack discount & the BOFFs being account wide ... which should've been that way in the first place, Cryptic won't even have to dare add anything more to the pack. It is a step in the right direction because as many have stated it should've been that way in the first place. Starve a person then offer them food & become a hero to that same person.
  • warpangelwarpangel Member Posts: 9,241 Arc User
    In addition to the previously announced 30% off sale, the Discovery Operations Pack has gotten even better! For purchasers of the Discovery Starter Pack, you'll be able to buy the Operations Pack for 10500 ZEN. In addition, the two bridge officers are now account wide unlocks!
    Nice, but still too expensive for only 4 ships.
  • iamynaughtiamynaught Member Posts: 1,158 Arc User
    Now with everyone patting each other on their collective backs & reconsidering buying this pack because of the starter pack discount & the BOFFs being account wide ... which should've been that way in the first place, Cryptic won't even have to dare add anything more to the pack. It is a step in the right direction because as many have stated it should've been that way in the first place. Starve a person then offer them food & become a hero to that same person.

    This is what I'm afraid of as well. Players becoming too easily placated by the merest of scraps the rulers of the land deign to throw at us. The only concessions they've given so far are things that should have been there from the start, the BOff's open account wide and the discount for Discovery Starter Pack owners. They have given us NOTHING new, just presented it in a different light and there are now folks bowing in gratitude for the gristle off the bone they got.

    The real issue is value, and this pack doesn't have enough. The price needs to be lowered or more high value items added, and in this case that would be T6 ships. At this current price, 2 more ships for Fed & KDF and the pack might hold enough value to carry that 12k Zen price tag.

    Might.
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  • wilvwilv Member Posts: 386 Arc User
    levesly wrote: »
    Does this mean that existing owners of the starter pack will buy it at 30% discount of the 10500 price during the sale period?

    Wondering the same thing.
  • starcruiser#3423 starcruiser Member Posts: 542 Arc User
    FYI
    A better deal and they are listening to feedback from forums.

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