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So new Picard Series will most likely be dealing with the dissolution of the Romulan Empire.

thevampinatorthevampinator Member Posts: 606 Arc User
I'm wondering if this will effect sto at all. As in game something of the romualn star empire does remain but they lost a lot. And its been totally chaotic. I am wondering if they are going to work with the countdown comics they used for most of the romulan content or its going to change things up. In a big major way with the sto storyline what are your thoughts? Not sure how creditable this is. But I think it might be.
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  • where2r1where2r1 Member Posts: 5,924 Arc User
    edited January 9
    Romulan Republic Story on STO stands on its own.
    Not to say it is to my taste, but it is an actual good story.
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  • thevampinatorthevampinator Member Posts: 606 Arc User
    edited January 9
    where2r1 wrote: »
    Romulan Republic Story on STO stands on its own.
    Not to say it is to my taste, but it is an actual good story.

    whatever is done on the picard show, might contradict Sto in big ways though. I fear this will mean they will change some of the story to comply with it. As I do like what they have done with the romulan empire and republic. If it falls ten years eailer. How are they going to work with the Sela elements and storyline they have with both factions Lets hope they have are not going to do a new romulus in the show. Still I hope this means we will see new romulan ship designs. Among other things. Hopefully they will work with the sto team on this. And who knows it could be a good show. But it won't be out till near the end of the year. Maybe in october, november or december. As filming is not set to begin till April.
  • foxman00foxman00 Member Posts: 580 Arc User
    where2r1 wrote: »
    Romulan Republic Story on STO stands on its own.
    Not to say it is to my taste, but it is an actual good story.

    whatever is done on the picard show, might contradict Sto in big ways though. I fear this will mean they will change some of the story to comply with it. As I do like what they have done with the romulan empire and republic. If it falls ten years eailer. How are they going to work with the Sela elements and storyline they have with both factions Lets hope they have are not going to do a new romulus in the show. Still I hope this means we will see new romulan ship designs. Among other things.

    I think in one video they said they wouldn't change the story to match what the Picard series does, or if it re-writes what they currently have as STO's backstory.. I think they said they would continue to function as their own sub-variant of the timeline.

    Need to find the video again where they respond to that question.
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  • thevampinatorthevampinator Member Posts: 606 Arc User
    foxman00 wrote: »
    where2r1 wrote: »
    Romulan Republic Story on STO stands on its own.
    Not to say it is to my taste, but it is an actual good story.

    whatever is done on the picard show, might contradict Sto in big ways though. I fear this will mean they will change some of the story to comply with it. As I do like what they have done with the romulan empire and republic. If it falls ten years eailer. How are they going to work with the Sela elements and storyline they have with both factions Lets hope they have are not going to do a new romulus in the show. Still I hope this means we will see new romulan ship designs. Among other things.

    I think in one video they said they wouldn't change the story to match what the Picard series does, or if it re-writes what they currently have as STO's backstory.. I think they said they would continue to function as their own sub-variant of the timeline.

    Need to find the video again where they respond to that question.

    Well that is a relief, hopefully they will still add content for it, including ships, outfits and other things. IF we are going to see more romulans within the show. Perfect opertunity to have more zen store outfits for romulan faction players.
  • somtaawkharsomtaawkhar Member Posts: 6,402 Arc User
    foxman00 wrote: »
    I think in one video they said they wouldn't change the story to match what the Picard series does, or if it re-writes what they currently have as STO's backstory.. I think they said they would continue to function as their own sub-variant of the timeline.

    Need to find the video again where they respond to that question.
    I recall the exact opposite, where they said they were perfectly willing to rewrite any part of the time to fit the new Trek shows if needed.

  • thevampinatorthevampinator Member Posts: 606 Arc User
    edited January 9
    foxman00 wrote: »
    I think in one video they said they wouldn't change the story to match what the Picard series does, or if it re-writes what they currently have as STO's backstory.. I think they said they would continue to function as their own sub-variant of the timeline.

    Need to find the video again where they respond to that question.
    I recall the exact opposite, where they said they were perfectly willing to rewrite any part of the time to fit the new Trek shows if needed.

    They might change some things around but not too much while keeping most of the sto storyline. I can see them doing this. But what worried me is a complete change to match everything done. A subtime line could work as well. Videogame timeline, Novel Verse, and Tv Show Verse. Comic Verse. Sto does use a lot of comic verse, including JU'la Cbs even suggested using JU'la for age of discovery and that is why she was made a part of the sto storyline.
  • somtaawkharsomtaawkhar Member Posts: 6,402 Arc User
    They might change some things around but not too much while keeping most of the sto storyline. I can see them doing this. But what worried me is a complete change to match everything done. A subtime line could work as well. Videogame timeline, Novel Verse, and Tv Show Verse. Comic Verse. Sto does use a lot of comic verse, including JU'la Cbs even suggested using JU'la for age of discovery and that is why she was made a part of the sto storyline.
    Cryptic said that CBS wants to bring a lot of these various things, the TV shows, novels, comics, games, etc. etc. more in line with each other so there isn't like 20 different various alternate timelines of it. Which is part of the reason why they recommended using J'Ula.

    All of this side material will still be non-canon OFC, but it will be more in line with each other, and the shows.
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 34,225 Arc User
    foxman00 wrote: »
    I think in one video they said they wouldn't change the story to match what the Picard series does, or if it re-writes what they currently have as STO's backstory.. I think they said they would continue to function as their own sub-variant of the timeline.

    Need to find the video again where they respond to that question.
    I recall the exact opposite, where they said they were perfectly willing to rewrite any part of the time to fit the new Trek shows if needed.
    Given that we don't know ANYTHING yet....
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  • thevampinatorthevampinator Member Posts: 606 Arc User
    edited January 9
    They might change some things around but not too much while keeping most of the sto storyline. I can see them doing this. But what worried me is a complete change to match everything done. A subtime line could work as well. Videogame timeline, Novel Verse, and Tv Show Verse. Comic Verse. Sto does use a lot of comic verse, including JU'la Cbs even suggested using JU'la for age of discovery and that is why she was made a part of the sto storyline.
    Cryptic said that CBS wants to bring a lot of these various things, the TV shows, novels, comics, games, etc. etc. more in line with each other so there isn't like 20 different various alternate timelines of it. Which is part of the reason why they recommended using J'Ula.

    All of this side material will still be non-canon OFC, but it will be more in line with each other, and the shows.

    So we might see maybe the four andorian genders, Sto has used Novels and comics, but mainly the comics for its backstory. Then tv canon stuff as well. Discovery did use the noncannical, Black Fleet with their Klingon's. So that is now canon. So I can imagine they will be aligned up various aspects from the different materials together. If that is Cbs's Aim then well I think its a good one.
  • somtaawkharsomtaawkhar Member Posts: 6,402 Arc User
    So we might see maybe the four andorian genders, Sto has used Novels and comics, but mainly the comics for its backstory. Then tv canon stuff as well. Discovery did use the noncannical, Black Fleet with their Klingon's. So that is now canon. So I can imagine they will be aligned up various aspects from the different materials together. If that is Cbs's Aim then well I think its a good one.
    The Black Fleet was mentioned in DS9 actually.

  • thevampinatorthevampinator Member Posts: 606 Arc User
    edited January 9
    The Black Fleet was first introduced in the 1984 TOS novel The Final Reflection. When a Klingon warrior dies an honorable death, he will serve in the Black Fleet, where he can fight and kill worthy foes who also have entered the ranks of the dead for all eternity. The book predates the introduction of the concept of Sto-vo-kor, and presented the Black Fleet as an alternative afterlife concept. According to the memory alpha. Yeah I made the mistake of not seeing or reading or mistakening the ds9 mention as a novel but it was later used in Ds9 and then Discovery. I think I read somewhere they are also going to align up discovery with the picard series as well. Something along those lines. We won't know what is going to happen, all we have is what they have been mentioning about it. Like that article I posted above.
  • ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 9,801 Arc User
    Well, now you know why they haven't been releasing Romulan Ships - they are waiting to do a big push to correspond with the Picard Series. ;)
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  • brian334brian334 Member Posts: 2,186 Arc User
    Why must everything be ret-conned and aligned? Why can't we take the different stories as they are and not worry about which old parts 'fit' with what's going on now? By the time they're done, TOS won't be canon! (Well, less so than it isn't even now, for crying out loud.)

    It's not like Trek can't handle multiple timelines and universes with the same characters but slight differences. Heck, it's even implied in Trek canon that there are infinity multiple universes and timelines, some very close to what is on each different show, and some wildly different. Daniels showed us at least one in which the Federation never existed, for example.

    All of this 'unificationism' bugs me no end because no matter which line you chose as the 'right' one, you have to discard others. Let each story stand on its own, I say, and be damned with trying to make one cohesive narrative out of 5+ TV series and some 200+ writers' materials.

    I would like to see the aftermath of Hobus explored on the small screen. Ambassador Picard would be a good character for that. I just hope he doesn't turn out to be Mirror Picard. And I hope they get writers with actual knowledge of the history of the dissolution of empires.
  • where2r1where2r1 Member Posts: 5,924 Arc User
    I think the Romulan Republic story is strong enough, adding other material won't obliterate it in STO. It would enhance and expand it.

    I would even speculate and say that, you may see bits going the other direction and find parallels with the TV series.
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  • thevampinatorthevampinator Member Posts: 606 Arc User
    edited January 9
    ruinthefun wrote: »
    The Black Fleet was first introduced in the 1984 TOS novel The Final Reflection. When a Klingon warrior dies an honorable death, he will serve in the Black Fleet, where he can fight and kill worthy foes who also have entered the ranks of the dead for all eternity. The book predates the introduction of the concept of Sto-vo-kor, and presented the Black Fleet as an alternative afterlife concept.
    I don't think these two are actually different. Presumably, Sto'vo'kor has a space fleet to defend it from whatever it is they fight in the afterlife.

    It would be intersting if both Sto'v'kor and Gr'eathor were subspace multidemensial realms. Back in ds9, they wanted to do a episode, where they physically visit the Klingon Hell and its location was to be somewhere in the Gamma Quadrant or somewhere hidden in klingon empire space. But they ended up not doing it. They did have one episode in Voyager, and I wonder if they will do something with it in Discovery or The new Picard show if they manage to get Worf onboard. Or they could do something with it later on when they start doing more content in the gamma quadrant. It is a storyline I think they could explore with both you the player, Martok and Worf.
  • thevampinatorthevampinator Member Posts: 606 Arc User
    where2r1 wrote: »
    I think the Romulan Republic story is strong enough, adding other material won't obliterate it in STO. It would enhance and expand it.

    I would even speculate and say that, you may see bits going the other direction and find parallels with the TV series.

    Hopefully that will be the case with the picard show. Would be interesting to see what they are doing with it, but we won't see more till near the end of this year. And we are only at the beginning.
  • kellmg96#5851 kellmg96 Member Posts: 512 Arc User
    Sela? could be pretty sweet
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  • kamiyama317kamiyama317 Member Posts: 1,295 Arc User
    There are a number of events from STO I would love to see on the screen. The Iconian War is one, and the events with Sela and Hakeev from the Romulan arc are another. Maybe we will see Hakeev in this series?

    If Picard is in it I hope they have good story-writers and do a good job. TNG was a very cerebral series focused on mystery and good story. It had good actors who knew how to play their roles. I don't want the focus to be on the action, special effects, and eye candy like in an Abrams film.

    And for the love of all that is holy please slow down! Lately too many Hollywood films have the actors talking in fast forward to fit all their lines into the time slot. Camera cut to camera cut with barely a second to catch a breath between one scene and the next. Old TV series didn't do this - they knew how to pace themselves and set the stage.

    My bet is they will TRIBBLE it up. That's all they do lately.
  • valoreahvaloreah Member Posts: 10,269 Arc User
    Look at the bright side - the new Picard series is another opportunity for STO to work with a live Trek series.
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  • ichaerus1ichaerus1 Member Posts: 827 Arc User
    valoreah wrote: »
    Look at the bright side - the new Picard series is another opportunity for STO to work with a live Trek series.

    Do you think that STO's dev team has the chops to be able to juggle the injection of two ongoing shows simultaneously?
  • leemwatsonleemwatson Member Posts: 3,358 Arc User
    where2r1 wrote: »
    Romulan Republic Story on STO stands on its own.
    Not to say it is to my taste, but it is an actual good story.

    whatever is done on the picard show, might contradict Sto in big ways though. I fear this will mean they will change some of the story to comply with it. As I do like what they have done with the romulan empire and republic. If it falls ten years eailer. How are they going to work with the Sela elements and storyline they have with both factions Lets hope they have are not going to do a new romulus in the show. Still I hope this means we will see new romulan ship designs. Among other things. Hopefully they will work with the sto team on this. And who knows it could be a good show. But it won't be out till near the end of the year. Maybe in october, november or december. As filming is not set to begin till April.

    It may or may not contradict, however, CBS has asked Cryptic to 'work' with them in regard to providing information on what has happened 'in game'. This was talked about during a Livestream sometime ago. So one could summize some elements of STO will be 'written in' from what I understand. Considering the joint work on DSC they are doing, this would seem a very reasonable pay-off for both, with CBS fully canonizing parts of STO.
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  • crypticarmsmancrypticarmsman Member Posts: 3,295 Arc User
    I'm wondering if this will effect sto at all. As in game something of the romualn star empire does remain but they lost a lot. And its been totally chaotic. I am wondering if they are going to work with the countdown comics they used for most of the romulan content or its going to change things up. In a big major way with the sto storyline what are your thoughts? Not sure how creditable this is. But I think it might be.
    https://trekmovie.com/2019/01/08/star-trek-picard-show-to-deal-with-event-that-radically-altered-galaxy-tng-guest-stars-a-possibility/

    Well, remember the era of the Picard series is 10 years or so prior to the start year of STO (2409) - while it COULD affect the text backstory runup, there's probably enough of a buffer that the STO Romulan storyline won't seem too off on a tangent (unless they do something really big - like try to reform Romulus. ;)

    Still, given that they said this is a more 'personal' series, I think the 'Fall of the Romulan Empire' will be more of an overall backdrop, and we may see flashbacks from Picard's point of view detailing how he got to how we see him (IE the state he's in at the start of the series).

    I really don't think it'll be "The Adventures of Ambassador Picard on the Starship <Insert Name Here>", but, we'll see.
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  • valoreahvaloreah Member Posts: 10,269 Arc User
    ichaerus1 wrote: »
    Do you think that STO's dev team has the chops to be able to juggle the injection of two ongoing shows simultaneously?

    Sure. Why not?

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  • reyan01reyan01 Member Posts: 12,778 Arc User
    edited January 10
    Well, it's already started. A comment on Bookface:

    "The descruction of Romulus didn't happen as it was part of the JJ timeline and thats not my trek".
    (Sp, but then it's a copy-pasted quote and I can't be bothered to correct their spelling).

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  • jrdobbsjr#3264 jrdobbsjr Member Posts: 419 Arc User
    > @reyan01 said:
    > Well, it's already started. A comment on Bookface:
    >
    > "The descruction of Romulus didn't happen as it was part of the JJ timeline and thats not my trek".
    > (Sp, but then it's a copy-pasted quote and I can't be bothered to correct their spelling).
    >
    > *Sigh*

    The destruction of Romulus (and Vulcan in the Kelvin timeline) in JJ Trek was stupid and lazy writing, just like how the New Republic was one-shotted in ep7........with that said, it's canon. I think any significant part of STO's storyline appearing in the Picard series is wishful thinking. These people don't respect their own lore, why would they respect STO's?
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    > @reyan01 said:
    > Well, it's already started. A comment on Bookface:
    >
    > "The descruction of Romulus didn't happen as it was part of the JJ timeline and thats not my trek".
    > (Sp, but then it's a copy-pasted quote and I can't be bothered to correct their spelling).
    >
    > *Sigh*

    The destruction of Romulus (and Vulcan in the Kelvin timeline) in JJ Trek was stupid and lazy writing, just like how the New Republic was one-shotted in ep7........with that said, it's canon. I think any significant part of STO's storyline appearing in the Picard series is wishful thinking. These people don't respect their own lore, why would they respect STO's?

    It's started. Fanbois who think they know Star Trek better than Patrick Stewart. The man who's responsible for driving the direction of the new show. Please tell me how he doesn't respect his 'own lore'?​​
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  • anazondaanazonda Member Posts: 8,379 Arc User
    At least there should be a good chance we will see Riker again.

    Riker had a nag for dealing with the Romulans, and was almost always on the frontline when dealing with the Romulans, and in the end of Nemesis, he and the Titan was assigned to the neutral zone, because "the romulans were interested in talks":
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  • jonsillsjonsills Member Posts: 8,643 Arc User
    artan42 wrote: »
    > @reyan01 said:
    > Well, it's already started. A comment on Bookface:
    >
    > "The descruction of Romulus didn't happen as it was part of the JJ timeline and thats not my trek".
    > (Sp, but then it's a copy-pasted quote and I can't be bothered to correct their spelling).
    >
    > *Sigh*

    The destruction of Romulus (and Vulcan in the Kelvin timeline) in JJ Trek was stupid and lazy writing, just like how the New Republic was one-shotted in ep7........with that said, it's canon. I think any significant part of STO's storyline appearing in the Picard series is wishful thinking. These people don't respect their own lore, why would they respect STO's?

    It's started. Fanbois who think they know Star Trek better than Patrick Stewart. The man who's responsible for driving the direction of the new show. Please tell me how he doesn't respect his 'own lore'?​​
    "It's started"? You're new around here, aren't you? :smile:

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  • lazarus51166lazarus51166 Member Posts: 576 Arc User
    jonsills wrote: »
    artan42 wrote: »
    > @reyan01 said:
    > Well, it's already started. A comment on Bookface:
    >
    > "The descruction of Romulus didn't happen as it was part of the JJ timeline and thats not my trek".
    > (Sp, but then it's a copy-pasted quote and I can't be bothered to correct their spelling).
    >
    > *Sigh*

    The destruction of Romulus (and Vulcan in the Kelvin timeline) in JJ Trek was stupid and lazy writing, just like how the New Republic was one-shotted in ep7........with that said, it's canon. I think any significant part of STO's storyline appearing in the Picard series is wishful thinking. These people don't respect their own lore, why would they respect STO's?

    It's started. Fanbois who think they know Star Trek better than Patrick Stewart. The man who's responsible for driving the direction of the new show. Please tell me how he doesn't respect his 'own lore'?​​
    "It's started"? You're new around here, aren't you? :smile:

    When TNG came out, Gene Roddenberry was accused of "making a fake Star Trek". Trekkies have long been the legendary Unpleasable Fanbase.

    If he weren't new around here he would be well aware that the correct statement isn't 'its already started' its this:

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