Wait...what? Crystalline entity update...?
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I just read about the update to the Crystalline entity where it no longer takes damage during its absorption phase...so why would we keep shooting at it? Part of the fun was to see if you could blow it up before it finished its first absorption phase...or the second.
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I'm pleased. I prefer the event version, especially the blast wave radius indicator which tells you it's coming even when you're pointed away from the Entity.0
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While it was fun to see just how quickly we could melt the snowflake...
Its getting to the point where you get enough kinetic on you might as well just AFK because it isn't a fight.
I personally like the changes because it means people have to do more than just park and shoot.
The nut who actually ground out a Delta Pack, Temporal Pack, and Gamma PackYang Xiao Long wrote:I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
The resident forum voice of reason (I HAZ FORUM REP! YAY!)0 -
Adding a few delays doesn't make it any more a fight. Just a longer park 'n' shoot.0
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It was never intended to be something that you could burn through as fast as possible. The absurd levels of power creep have made that happen. I've been in CCA a few times in the last week that were over in 10 seconds - I believe there's a video of a 3 second run out there. Seems less fun to me that way.0
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No one would slot torpedoes. So, it was kinda off the beaten path to have the CE vulnerable to kinetic damage.That just means the devs should make the entity more adaptable, not dumb down the experience. The cocooned Hurq ship in the Gamma quadrant can only be hurt by a special weapon, the CE should be the same.
Maybe the "Snowflake" can be changed to be vulnerable to fire damage? Hee, hee, hee!"Spend your life doing strange things with weird people." -- UNK
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No one would slot torpedoes. So, it was kinda off the beaten path to have the CE vulnerable to kinetic damage.That just means the devs should make the entity more adaptable, not dumb down the experience. The cocooned Hurq ship in the Gamma quadrant can only be hurt by a special weapon, the CE should be the same.
Maybe the "Snowflake" can be changed to be vulnerable to fire damage? Hee, hee, hee!
I frequently wish that the devs would bother to come up with an actual understanding of the different damage types. The CE should be highly vulnerable to proton weapons and the harmonic process on the Preserver disruptor weapon. Each enemy we encounter should be particularly weak to a certain type of energy weapon as opposed to EVERY energy type being given overlapping processes. Remember when the Federation first encountered the Dominion and Dominion weapons cut right through Fed shields? Or when they encountered the Borg for the first time and were no match for their beam weapons?
That sounds nice ... for the foundry.
Cryptic needs to be able to create content for all players, not just the ones who can switch to any and every different gear set as needed.
Cryptic has done this once or twice, like with the doomsday machine where you flew the captured Klingon ship and use the mumble'mumble torpedo. But for most content players want to fly their own ship with their own choice of gear.
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Yeah, me too. Practically every game I've ever seen that had damage types, had enemies resistant to some and weak to others. Like, what's the point of even having damage types if there is no "elemental rock-paper-scissors" to consider.
No one would slot torpedoes. So, it was kinda off the beaten path to have the CE vulnerable to kinetic damage.That just means the devs should make the entity more adaptable, not dumb down the experience. The cocooned Hurq ship in the Gamma quadrant can only be hurt by a special weapon, the CE should be the same.
Maybe the "Snowflake" can be changed to be vulnerable to fire damage? Hee, hee, hee!
I frequently wish that the devs would bother to come up with an actual understanding of the different damage types. The CE should be highly vulnerable to proton weapons and the harmonic process on the Preserver disruptor weapon. Each enemy we encounter should be particularly weak to a certain type of energy weapon as opposed to EVERY energy type being given overlapping processes. Remember when the Federation first encountered the Dominion and Dominion weapons cut right through Fed shields? Or when they encountered the Borg for the first time and were no match for their beam weapons?
If switching to different gear sets is never required, there is no point having different gear sets at all.davefenestrator wrote: »Cryptic needs to be able to create content for all players, not just the ones who can switch to any and every different gear set as needed.0 -
If that is the case, it's not apparent by anything in the game. Real damage type differences should not be something you have to parse a log to see.somtaawkhar wrote: »0 -
I agree with various points put forward here. Yes, the CCA was getting (in some cases, not always) too fast and easy.
No, simply putting "invulnerability delay" timers on it doesn't fix the problem. As others have said, that simply makes it a longer park'n'shoot. As usual, Cryptic went for the easy option of "make things take longer without actually changing the process".
Personally I would have gone for a three-phase approach:
- One stage of Absorb, like now, even with the Invuln, where incoming damage strengthens the blast pulse.
- One stage of Shimmer, where the entity has a Feedback Pulse that reflects 50% of all incoming energy damage back
- One stage of Shatter, where all incoming kinetic/physical damage results in a spray of fast-moving shards shooting out in the direction of the incoming damage (sort of like a Cannon Spread Volley shooting back towards the incoming damage)
That would make timing relevant, make damage selection relevant, make survival and healing and resistances relevant, and would still increase the time taken without just having a predictable "no damage" delay timer.0 -
Which, if it happens, is not apparent in the game.somtaawkhar wrote: »0 -
Placebo effect.somtaawkhar wrote: »0 -
bossheisenberg wrote: »It was never intended to be something that you could burn through as fast as possible. The absurd levels of power creep have made that happen. I've been in CCA a few times in the last week that were over in 10 seconds - I believe there's a video of a 3 second run out there. Seems less fun to me that way.
That video was a fake."You don't want to patrol!? You don't want to escort!? You don't want to defend the Federation's Starbases!? Then why are you flying my Starships!? If you were a Klingon you'd be killed on the spot, but lucky for you.....you WERE in Starfleet. Let's see how New Zealand Penal Colony suits you." Adm A. Necheyev.0 -
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somtaawkhar wrote: »
Was apparent to me.Which, if it happens, is not apparent in the game.
Though, I don't min-max my ship to do 500k DPS and just smoke everything in two seconds either, so maybe i'm not so blinded by exploits that I never noticed it.
So a stage where the player strat would be "just don't shoot it at this stage and wait for the next one"forcemajeure wrote: »- One stage of Shimmer, where the entity has a Feedback Pulse that reflects 50% of all incoming energy damage back
It would require a three-fold strategy, one for each stage:
1) Run out of blast radius
2) Use torps/mines/kinetic powers
3) Use energy weapons/powers
4) Repeat
Now you know there would be some joker parked at 10 km spamming torp spreads when the kinetic power is up, causing CSV type attacks to blast through the ships at close range while trying to get to him.0 -
With the Random TFO's and the ability to earn Nukara marks or Fleet marks via them does anyone actually still play CCA. I've been seeing longer load times to get into one. but then might just be the holidays
Hello rubber banding my old friend, time to bounce around the battlezone again, where are all my bug reports going?, out of love with this game I am falling, As Cryptic fail to acknowledge a problem exists, Shakes an angry fist, And from Support all I'm hearing are the sounds of silence.0 -
The devs outright told us that the reason for this was because 90% of the players who thought they knew what to do didn't.I remember back in season 5 when the conventional wisdom was that the CE was unbeatable and just don't bother trying. Now people whine cause they actually have to play the mission as intended.0 -
People don't care, because they don't have to. Because the game lets them just sit around waiting and win. There's nothing to lose by being complacent.somtaawkhar wrote: »
The problem with this is that it would require people to care about the strategy rather then care about their overall DPS in the game as a whole. But people don't. At most, people will just stick with whatever energy build they have now, and just spend the torp/mine/kenetic phase sitting around doing nothing waiting for the "spam energy weapons" so they can do that to win. Its one of those "in theory" and "on paper" things that doesn't actually translate to in-game.It would require a three-fold strategy, one for each stage:
1) Run out of blast radius
2) Use torps/mines/kinetic powers
3) Use energy weapons/powers
4) Repeat
Now you know there would be some joker parked at 10 km spamming torp spreads when the kinetic power is up, causing CSV type attacks to blast through the ships at close range while trying to get to him.
Players will care about strategy if and only if it's required to do something they want to do, to get something they want to get. We could have content where waiting out timers or blindly spamming DPS would NOT advance the mission AND have that content give unique rewards players want. Then players would care.
Which was actually very interesting, as opposed to the current version the devs spoonfeed the full solution to us in an announcement. Well, not that there's much of a "solution" needed to begin with, just shoot at it until it dies, the details are an optional curiosity at best.markhawkman wrote: »
The devs outright told us that the reason for this was because 90% of the players who thought they knew what to do didn't.I remember back in season 5 when the conventional wisdom was that the CE was unbeatable and just don't bother trying. Now people whine cause they actually have to play the mission as intended.0 -
somtaawkhar wrote: »
The problem with this is that it would require people to care about the strategy rather then care about their overall DPS in the game as a whole. But people don't. At most, people will just stick with whatever energy build they have now, and just spend the torp/mine/kenetic phase sitting around doing nothing waiting for the "spam energy weapons" so they can do that to win. Its one of those "in theory" and "on paper" things that doesn't actually translate to in-game.It would require a three-fold strategy, one for each stage:
1) Run out of blast radius
2) Use torps/mines/kinetic powers
3) Use energy weapons/powers
4) Repeat
Now you know there would be some joker parked at 10 km spamming torp spreads when the kinetic power is up, causing CSV type attacks to blast through the ships at close range while trying to get to him.
In many ways its like asking for more complex Boff stories and the like. People care more about their DPS then they do any BOFF's possible story, and thus hate being forced to have any BOFF on their roster(see the Tovan situation)
In some ways, I can see why Cryptic wouldn't bother making anything more complex or interesting, because that excuse "the player will just wait/avoid anything that isn't spamming weapons fire until they can win by spam".
Personally I rate player adaptability a little higher than that. Not tons higher, but higher. It also depends on the overall situation. If 90% of the game situations can be defeated effectively by Energy weapon spam, then most people will build for Energy weapon spam and not bother changing for the remaining 10% - they'll just complete that 10% less efficiently.
However, having multiple "Energy absorbing, invulnerable" phases pretty much guarantees that players will sit around doing nothing... because it's the only thing they can do.
Having a reflect phase means you can use kinetic/physical weapons, you can use Sci/Exotic, you can use your energy but also need to worry about heals/resists/pacing. Having a "shatter damage spray" for Kinetic phase is iffy, since as mentioned, one guy can spam all the torps he likes and everyone in his arc will get splattered. Now you need to worry about the situation around you, your maneuverability, your defense, etc.
Players at that point at least have a choice of responses, rather than forced inactivity/delay.
As said, if this is the only place where such adaptability is required, people won't adapt. They will simply find the easiest way around the restrictions, and if it takes too long for the reward level, they will run other content instead.
On the other hand, if you dumb everything down to "just energy spam, and wait through the various time gates that Cryptic puts in because it's easier than doing anything creative"... then eventually the 'other content' that players run will be in other games. Because STO will be mindlessly boring at that point.
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