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erraberrab Member Posts: 1,428 Arc User
Greetings All,

I've got a couple of request involving my favorite subject , Carriers.

1st. Can we finally get a T6 Klingon Vo'Quv Carrier.

Many of us have been asking for a T6 Vo'Quv ever since T6 became a thing. The stock Vo'Quv and it's fleet version are just so woefully outdated.

I'm asking for a updated T6 Vo'Quv carrier to be added to the Zen shop because IMO that ship does not belong in a lock box.

2nd. (And this one will Monetize itself) Can you please add to the final ship tier of all T5 and above Carriers the ability to use that Carriers Hangar options on any other T5 and above Carrier that has also maxed out its ship tiers?

I'll explain my 2nd request.

The ability to use the any Carriers hanger options would be limited to only the Characters faction. So no Delta Flyers on the KDF and no BOP for the Federation.

Something similar to this has already been done with the Jem'Hadar T6 ships.

What I'm requesting would add a lot of value to Carriers in general, if you want the option to mix and match your hangers "You Gotta Catch Them All"

Thanks for your Time.
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  • avoozuulavoozuul Member Posts: 2,718 Arc User
    I would be interested in the Atrox at T6.
  • lordmerc22lordmerc22 Member Posts: 390 Arc User
    Its also generally weird that they dont even add C-Store carriers either which could bring them money. As it stands raiders/bird-of-prey and carriers are what their shop lacks most whereas you can find raptors/escorts, dreads, battlecruisers/cruisers, destroyers and pretty much anything else in good amounts. Variety is lacking there.

    A carrier pilot mostly has options at LB, Phoenix and Event ships so they wont get his cash at C-Store.
  • erraberrab Member Posts: 1,428 Arc User
    lordmerc22 wrote: »
    Its also generally weird that they dont even add C-Store carriers either which could bring them money. As it stands raiders/bird-of-prey and carriers are what their shop lacks most whereas you can find raptors/escorts, dreads, battlecruisers/cruisers, destroyers and pretty much anything else in good amounts. Variety is lacking there.

    A carrier pilot mostly has options at LB, Phoenix and Event ships so they wont get his cash at C-Store.

    Exactly
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  • kiralynkiralyn Member Posts: 1,248 Arc User
    edited November 2018
    There is a Fed T6 carrier in the C-store. The lack of VoQuv is not a lockbox conspiracy, it's just Yet More Ships that they haven't updated yet (see all the other threads of people begging for T5 c-store ships to get T6 versions)
  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 8,169 Arc User
    I really want a T6 Recluse, but a Vo'Quv would be nice too.

    I like your idea of opening up use of carrier pets. I'd go further and say you should be able to use any faction pets OR lock box & lobi carrier pets. That gives Cryptic more incentive if it increases lock box and lobi sales.
  • vetteguy904vetteguy904 Member Posts: 2,815 Arc User
    edited November 2018
    T6 Vo and a T6 Karfi, and finally a true carrier for the Romulans, of Romulan origin oh, and my standard post for every Cariier thread. stop locking the bugs behind the damn escort paywall or at least put the escort in the freaking C-store
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    T6 Caitian Atrox and T6 Ferasan carrier!
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  • erraberrab Member Posts: 1,428 Arc User
    T6 Vo and a T6 Karfi, and finally a true carrier for the Romulans, of Romulan origin oh, and my standard post for every Cariier thread. stop locking the bugs behind the damn escort paywall or at least put the escort in the freaking C-store

    Yeah the Romulans deserve better than an Ungodly expensive lock box ship has their only Carrier. Full disclosure;

    I own the Kelvin Timeline T'laru Intel Carrier Warbird and it is hands down one of the best Carriers in the game. 2x Elite Romulan Drone ships FTW!
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  • jtoney3448jtoney3448 Member Posts: 630 Arc User
    edited November 2018
    errab wrote: »
    T6 Vo and a T6 Karfi, and finally a true carrier for the Romulans, of Romulan origin oh, and my standard post for every Cariier thread. stop locking the bugs behind the damn escort paywall or at least put the escort in the freaking C-store

    Yeah the Romulans deserve better than an Ungodly expensive lock box ship has their only Carrier. Full disclosure;

    I own the Kelvin Timeline T'laru Intel Carrier Warbird and it is hands down one of the best Carriers in the game. 2x Elite Romulan Drone ships FTW!

    I own the Tlaru as well, its awesome double drones is nuts. That said, BoP and Carriers are largely overlooked in the shop which is strange. A 3 pack would be nice, the Atrox/Vo'que/romulan carrier equal would be great also a temporal carrier would be nice to finish the temporal set. Along with a run of KDF raiders since there is a ton of BoP left out of high tier play.

    The catfish has largely been forgotten it was a great carrier. Id love to see them actually pay attention and give all pets a once over as tons of carrier pets are far to slow, broken ai etc. Give figthers the Hurq AI, make a new one for cannon based ships/beam types/ ones that use mines. Mine layers should do bombing runs and drop mines close to targets not just anywhere.
  • seaofsorrowsseaofsorrows Member Posts: 8,792 Arc User
    While I would like to see this request come to fruition, I don't think it will, and I will explain why.

    People have pointed out that the Feds have a T6 C-Store carrier and no other faction does outside of the Jem'Hadar, this is true. The reason for this is because the carrier they did release was a colossal failure due to their horrible AI mechanics for Hangar pets.

    The Jupiter brought with it a sense of excitement over the Callisto Hangar pets and they ended up being complete and total garbage as are most frigate pets in STO. The only way to keep from preventing this mistake on other faction Carriers is to put in the time and effort to fix hangar pet mechanics and Cryptic seems to have abandoned this idea long ago. If they don't fix the way hangar pets function in general, then I agree with their decision to not sell anymore carriers because they're just selling broken garbage. In fact, the truth is.. the Jupiter should be pulled from the store but that's another discussion.

    There is some encouragement, the Jem'Hadar wingmen mechanic is fantastic. The Jem Hangar Pets also seem to function quite well, so if they could adapt something like that.. then fine. Unless something like that can be done though Cryptic should absolutely not release any C-Store Carriers as all they are doing is selling people broken junk.

    I bought my Jupiter with Dilithium so when it ended up being hot garbage I just shrugged it off. I bought it mostly for the Callisto's because I thought they were cool. If I had spent cash on that thing, I would have been quite unhappy.
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  • lordmerc22lordmerc22 Member Posts: 390 Arc User
    patrickngo wrote: »
    kiralyn wrote: »
    Carrier play originated with KDF, but pets were even MORE severely bugged until Cryptic got feedback off the Atrox-at which point they finally spent a couple hours fixing pets so that they worked. Point being the beta testing was done and finished, so there's no need for KDF to get a full carrier now, since that's the main reason the faction exists; to beta test items for the improved model to go to the Feds.

    Yes even Durgath's pets, which is a quite expensive ship to get too got some problems. Frigates generally got a problem cause most got low arc weapons and their AI is slow into moving them around on optimal shooting arcs so they end up having more time flying around and less time shooting. A temporary fix could be to change their loadout with beam arrays/turrets but they need to get a perm solution


    There is some encouragement, the Jem'Hadar wingmen mechanic is fantastic. The Jem Hangar Pets also seem to function quite well, so if they could adapt something like that.. then fine. Unless something like that can be done though Cryptic should absolutely not release any C-Store Carriers as all they are doing is selling people broken junk.

    I bought my Jupiter with Dilithium so when it ended up being hot garbage I just shrugged it off. I bought it mostly for the Callisto's because I thought they were cool. If I had spent cash on that thing, I would have been quite unhappy.


    The main problem is with frigate type of pets and given wingmen are similar size I agree implementing their mechanics to frigate hangar pets should work well. As for not selling carriers in the C-Store I disagree. Its like when you got a problem with a tree to go cut down the forest.


    We definitely need T6 carriers and raiders/birds-of-prey on the C-store
  • questeriusquesterius Member Posts: 7,264 Arc User
    Some Tier 6 carriers would be nice, but how would they be made unique and viable. The Jupiter as mentioned is not highly regarded.
    I think the only Tier 6 carriers which is not complete garbage are the Tholian and Breen Ships and those suffer from lockbox availability or a distinct look which is not everybody's cup of tea.
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  • seaofsorrowsseaofsorrows Member Posts: 8,792 Arc User
    edited November 2018
    questerius wrote: »
    Some Tier 6 carriers would be nice, but how would they be made unique and viable. The Jupiter as mentioned is not highly regarded.
    I think the only Tier 6 carriers which is not complete garbage are the Tholian and Breen Ships and those suffer from lockbox availability or a distinct look which is not everybody's cup of tea.

    The Jem Vanguard Carrier is also a nice ship.

    It has the additional benefit of being an account unlock so any character can use it. Sure, it doesn't substitute for an actual faction specific ship, but at least it's something. :smile:
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  • bejaymacbejaymac Member Posts: 448 Arc User
    The Jem Vanguard Carrier is also a nice ship.
    Bit of an understatement there, IMHO it's the best carrier in game, you have eight ships ripping the TRIBBLE out of everything so how could it not be >:)
    Going through all of the pets I have access to I place the gunboats a close second to the Plesh Breks, and that's only because they don't come out of the hangar facing forward.
    The two wingmen and that assault ship stuck on your butt just add to the carnage this ship can cause.

    It's the first time my Fleet Admiral has actually felt like a Fleet Admiral.
  • erraberrab Member Posts: 1,428 Arc User
    questerius wrote: »
    Some Tier 6 carriers would be nice, but how would they be made unique and viable. The Jupiter as mentioned is not highly regarded.
    I think the only Tier 6 carriers which is not complete garbage are the Tholian and Breen Ships and those suffer from lockbox availability or a distinct look which is not everybody's cup of tea.

    The Jem Vanguard Carrier is also a nice ship.

    It has the additional benefit of being an account unlock so any character can use it. Sure, it doesn't substitute for an actual faction specific ship, but at least it's something. :smile:

    The Vanguard is a very powerful Carrier. The hangars AI seems to be much more responsive than most of the others. It's upsetting that we can't load Bugs into its hangar bays. The way the hangar support works with this Carrier reminds me of how the Vo'Quv's BOP use to work before Cryptic made some adjustments to the AI that totally destroyed any kind of coordination that they had.

    If there were to be a T6 Vo'Quv. I'd love for it to come with a console that gave it a Battle Cloak and two Raptor escorts ;)
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  • questeriusquesterius Member Posts: 7,264 Arc User
    questerius wrote: »
    Some Tier 6 carriers would be nice, but how would they be made unique and viable. The Jupiter as mentioned is not highly regarded.
    I think the only Tier 6 carriers which is not complete garbage are the Tholian and Breen Ships and those suffer from lockbox availability or a distinct look which is not everybody's cup of tea.

    The Jem Vanguard Carrier is also a nice ship.

    It has the additional benefit of being an account unlock so any character can use it. Sure, it doesn't substitute for an actual faction specific ship, but at least it's something. :smile:

    The looks of the dominion ship is a turn off for me though. I realize that for others it may be a selling point, but for me it is not.
    This program, though reasonably normal at times, seems to have a strong affinity to classes belonging to the Cat 2.0 program. Questerius 2.7 will break down on occasion, resulting in garbage and nonsense messages whenever it occurs. Usually a hard reboot or pulling the plug solves the problem when that happens.
  • erraberrab Member Posts: 1,428 Arc User
    questerius wrote: »
    questerius wrote: »
    Some Tier 6 carriers would be nice, but how would they be made unique and viable. The Jupiter as mentioned is not highly regarded.
    I think the only Tier 6 carriers which is not complete garbage are the Tholian and Breen Ships and those suffer from lockbox availability or a distinct look which is not everybody's cup of tea.

    The Jem Vanguard Carrier is also a nice ship.

    It has the additional benefit of being an account unlock so any character can use it. Sure, it doesn't substitute for an actual faction specific ship, but at least it's something. :smile:

    The looks of the dominion ship is a turn off for me though. I realize that for others it may be a selling point, but for me it is not.
    questerius wrote: »
    questerius wrote: »
    Some Tier 6 carriers would be nice, but how would they be made unique and viable. The Jupiter as mentioned is not highly regarded.
    I think the only Tier 6 carriers which is not complete garbage are the Tholian and Breen Ships and those suffer from lockbox availability or a distinct look which is not everybody's cup of tea.

    The Jem Vanguard Carrier is also a nice ship.

    It has the additional benefit of being an account unlock so any character can use it. Sure, it doesn't substitute for an actual faction specific ship, but at least it's something. :smile:

    The looks of the dominion ship is a turn off for me though. I realize that for others it may be a selling point, but for me it is not.

    It does look quite gruesome but I think it adds to the intimidation factor of the vessel >:)

    Now that they have that kind of mechanic in place they should share the wealth with other factions Carriers.

    Maybe introduce new universal console that adds the escort mechanic to ships that meet the class requirements.

    Lets say the console could only be slotted on Carriers, Dreadnoughts and Destroyer class ships. (Just for example)

    Depending on which ship the console was slotted on you'd get escorts that are appropriate for that vessel.
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  • tom61stotom61sto Member Posts: 3,070 Arc User
    I'd probably pick up a T6 C-Store Vo'Quv if made available.

    On the hangars, I'm strongly for just letting any ship with one or more hangar bays being able to slot any of the hangars available to you normally. You'd have to be able to purchase the hangars normally, so KDF/Allied couldn't use Delta Flyers and Fed/Allied couldn't use BoPs due to faction separation, so that wouldn't be an issue. Not much reason to not be able to mount frigates based on size, when Yukawa frigates can be mounted to anything now.
  • nejdinenejdine Member Posts: 47 Arc User
    While I would like to see this request come to fruition, I don't think it will, and I will explain why.

    People have pointed out that the Feds have a T6 C-Store carrier and no other faction does outside of the Jem'Hadar, this is true. The reason for this is because the carrier they did release was a colossal failure due to their horrible AI mechanics for Hangar pets.

    The Jupiter brought with it a sense of excitement over the Callisto Hangar pets and they ended up being complete and total garbage as are most frigate pets in STO. The only way to keep from preventing this mistake on other faction Carriers is to put in the time and effort to fix hangar pet mechanics and Cryptic seems to have abandoned this idea long ago. If they don't fix the way hangar pets function in general, then I agree with their decision to not sell anymore carriers because they're just selling broken garbage. In fact, the truth is.. the Jupiter should be pulled from the store but that's another discussion.

    There is some encouragement, the Jem'Hadar wingmen mechanic is fantastic. The Jem Hangar Pets also seem to function quite well, so if they could adapt something like that.. then fine. Unless something like that can be done though Cryptic should absolutely not release any C-Store Carriers as all they are doing is selling people broken junk.

    I bought my Jupiter with Dilithium so when it ended up being hot garbage I just shrugged it off. I bought it mostly for the Callisto's because I thought they were cool. If I had spent cash on that thing, I would have been quite unhappy.

    Aye, i bought the Jupiter fleet ship for grinded dil and got severely disappointed by the lackluster code for the pets.
    Now that ship is gathering dust in the garage.

    Then the Jem'Hadar Vanguard Carrier came and took #1 spot over all carriers i've ever tried (not tested all though)!
    The frigates function the best yet as well, as they are even at my target before i get to it. I hear them boost their engines and woosh away! :)
    Previously i used Elite scorpions for all my ships having a hangar, but even they are not as responsive as the Jemmie frigates.
    Plus, the wingmen mechanic is *Blowing kiss* marvelous!

    Cryptic need to revisit the code for this.

    Like The Mask said...
  • alexraptorralexraptorr Member Posts: 1,192 Arc User
    Definitely need mainstream T6 KDF carriers, but I would be personally content if they just let the one and only, and extremely expensive T6 KDF Carrier, the Sarcophagus, Slot Frigates and BoP's.
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  • avoozuulavoozuul Member Posts: 2,718 Arc User
    questerius wrote: »
    questerius wrote: »
    Some Tier 6 carriers would be nice, but how would they be made unique and viable. The Jupiter as mentioned is not highly regarded.
    I think the only Tier 6 carriers which is not complete garbage are the Tholian and Breen Ships and those suffer from lockbox availability or a distinct look which is not everybody's cup of tea.

    The Jem Vanguard Carrier is also a nice ship.

    It has the additional benefit of being an account unlock so any character can use it. Sure, it doesn't substitute for an actual faction specific ship, but at least it's something. :smile:

    The looks of the dominion ship is a turn off for me though. I realize that for others it may be a selling point, but for me it is not.
    Honestly I think the Jem'Hadar Vanguard Carrier is the better looking Jem ship of the lot, I don't care for the rest though.

  • seaofsorrowsseaofsorrows Member Posts: 8,792 Arc User
    questerius wrote: »
    questerius wrote: »
    Some Tier 6 carriers would be nice, but how would they be made unique and viable. The Jupiter as mentioned is not highly regarded.
    I think the only Tier 6 carriers which is not complete garbage are the Tholian and Breen Ships and those suffer from lockbox availability or a distinct look which is not everybody's cup of tea.

    The Jem Vanguard Carrier is also a nice ship.

    It has the additional benefit of being an account unlock so any character can use it. Sure, it doesn't substitute for an actual faction specific ship, but at least it's something. :smile:

    The looks of the dominion ship is a turn off for me though. I realize that for others it may be a selling point, but for me it is not.

    I can see that, sure.

    Personally, I think it looks great, but I get that some don't like it. :smile:
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  • bendalekbendalek Member Posts: 1,781 Arc User
    I'll add a +1000 for the call to add a T6 Atrox (I've always loved the look of that ship) I'd buy one in a heartbeat if it was brought up to current in game standard, And while where at it, a T6 Obelisk as well.

    I'd also like to see all proper carriers (i.e 2 hangar bays) and maybe FDC's (but not dreadnought carriers) get an extra BoFF/DoFF seat for an "Air Boss" that adds carrier specific bonuses, similar to the way sci ships and escorts got the bonus slot. Bonuses such as the one that you get with the Obelisk Space Set, or % Hull/Defense / % Damage/Crit etc.
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  • alexraptorralexraptorr Member Posts: 1,192 Arc User
    patrickngo wrote: »
    Definitely need mainstream T6 KDF carriers, but I would be personally content if they just let the one and only, and extremely expensive T6 KDF Carrier, the Sarcophagus, Slot Frigates and BoP's.

    that doesn't fit the narrative, unless they're Discovery based frigates. (I won't call those romulan-looking atrocities 'bird of prey', I don't care what CBS insists.)

    KDF won't get a mainstream carrier unless or until Cryptic needs to test something to give to the Federation, and even then it's questionable since they've got Jem'Hadar Feds now unless they're unsure it will work properly-and they've already got it working about how they want it, so that's right out.

    Narrative is irrelevant. The Sarcophagus can mount virtually any fighter, and it is several times larger than the Vo'quv and even more massive than the KDF Temporal Dreadnought. There is no reason why it should be denied Frigates.
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  • erraberrab Member Posts: 1,428 Arc User
    The Vanguard Carrier is the mack daddy of carriers and while it's great that it can be used by both factions, I'm just hoping that this is not Cryptic's way of saying hey look we've solved the Carrier AI issue for everybody. I have the Vanguard and maxed out its ship tiers but I've yet to use it on anything other than a Jem'Hadar Character. I have most if not all of the Carriers currently offered in-game and outside of my Romulan Carrier, they all just collect dust. Every represented faction in the game should have a true Carrier that is comparable to the Vanguard Carrier.

    The Vo'Quv was the main reason that I jumped to almost solely playing KDF has soon has I could make the Character.

    My T5U Vo'Quv is the successor to name Pegasus and no other Carrier that I fly outside of the successor to the Vo'Quv will ever be given that name by me.
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  • tom61stotom61sto Member Posts: 3,070 Arc User
    patrickngo wrote: »
    Definitely need mainstream T6 KDF carriers, but I would be personally content if they just let the one and only, and extremely expensive T6 KDF Carrier, the Sarcophagus, Slot Frigates and BoP's.

    that doesn't fit the narrative, unless they're Discovery based frigates. (I won't call those romulan-looking atrocities 'bird of prey', I don't care what CBS insists.) [snip]

    Mine can mount Cardassian Yakawa frigates, so 'narrative' doesn't seem that big of an issue. Also, according to STO story blogs, the Sarcs flying around in game are replicas anyway, so there's little reason not to have updated hangar bays on them.
  • erraberrab Member Posts: 1,428 Arc User
    I did not even realize that the Sarcophagus Dreadnought Carrier even existed :#
    Can that it slot our existing BOP hangar's?
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