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Romulan Refits Vs Federation Refits

miguelleedsmiguelleeds Member Posts: 6 Arc User
Hey, people
I've playing with Romulan Refits at LV 65 and I noticed that the shield in space combat depletes really fast and then I tried the same with FED Refits and they don't have an issue with this. Am I missing something? Just weird that ROM ship is more fragile than FED ones.
Would appreciate any pointers.

Thanks in advance
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  • seaofsorrowsseaofsorrows Member Posts: 10,918 Arc User
    I can't say that I have had this issue, but if you can't keep shields up you could always get the Shield Absorptive Frequency Generator from the Valdore Heavy Warbird. One of the best defensive consoles in the game, pretty much takes care of all your shield heals automatically. I run it on pretty much every Warbird I fly.
    spielman1 wrote: »
    it really sad the company is refusing to address the problem and correct it so that Romulan players can play on a equal bases.

    Equal Basis? lol.. Romulans are the most powerful characters in the game.
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  • avoozuulavoozuul Member Posts: 3,196 Arc User
    edited November 2018
    Well I don't like how the T5 and T6 T'Varo have only 3 tac console slots by default, I'd rather if they reserved either one of the engi or sci console slots to the upgraded versions instead and keep 4 tac console slots by default on them since they are tactical ships.
  • szerontzurszerontzur Member Posts: 2,723 Arc User
    From my experience, Romulan birds tend to bleed a lot more shield(and hull) damage because their massive hitboxes tend to eat more AoEs(warp core breaches especially).

    That said, there are too many factors(power levels, resistance, defense, skills, traits, etc.) at play to make broad generalizations.
  • miguelleedsmiguelleeds Member Posts: 6 Arc User
    Thanks for the help. The Valdore console sounds interesting 👍
  • bendalekbendalek Member Posts: 1,781 Arc User
    The -10 to all ship power levels from using a Singularity Core may be part of the cause, particularly if you set the power level to weapon heavy, but "most" of that can be ameliorated by careful selection of Core, Engine, Skills, Consoles and traits. So it's a little hard to say definitively that "Romulan ships are 'squishier' than Fed ships".
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  • seaofsorrowsseaofsorrows Member Posts: 10,918 Arc User
    Thanks for the help. The Valdore console sounds interesting 👍

    Happy to help, it's a great console and it's dirt cheap too. :smile:
    spielman1 wrote: »
    for sure no but the fact that they take away 10 power to all systems but give the feds and Klingons no weakness of there own to exploit doesn't help either

    If you think Romulans are less powerful then Feds or KDF then you're doing something really really wrong.
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  • where2r1where2r1 Member Posts: 6,054 Arc User
    edited November 2018
    Don't the Fed ships get a higher shield modifier? I have not looked real close at Romulan ships, didn't like that singularity thing, so haven't used any since leveling one.

    Edit: Eh, looking through the Wiki...that ain't it...Roms got good HULL and SHIELD modifiers. Some better than the Fed ships. LOL! They really did make you guys OP. Just got the Power Level thing.
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  • salazarrazesalazarraze Member Posts: 3,794 Arc User
    edited November 2018
    spielman1 wrote: »
    bendalek wrote: »
    The -10 to all ship power levels from using a Singularity Core may be part of the cause, particularly if you set the power level to weapon heavy, but "most" of that can be ameliorated by careful selection of Core, Engine, Skills, Consoles and traits. So it's a little hard to say definitively that "Romulan ships are 'squishier' than Fed ships".

    for sure no but the fact that they take away 10 power to all systems but give the feds and Klingons no weakness of there own to exploit doesn't help either

    STO is about dealing damage and nobody does it better than Romulans. They say the best defense is a strong offense. Not only that, survivability isn't merely about power levels. In fact, if you know what you're doing, Romulans have no trouble managing power. You just need someone to sit down and go over your build with you. It's quite easily to be literally indestructible as a Romulan on a Romulan ship.
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  • bendalekbendalek Member Posts: 1,781 Arc User
    ruinthefun wrote: »
    Today's recent patch notes makes me wonder if there really IS a mechanic that causes certain fat Romulan birds to take more damage, since apparently there's a mechanic in the game that really DOES make large ships take more damage, which is what was driving the OP Hurq Swarmers.

    Well, "perhaps" but I think there'd need to be some serious investigating done to make that assumption. Yes birds like the Scimi do have a large "hitbox" so "maybe" WCB's and AoE Kinetic damage "might" affect them more than smaller ships, but that wouldn't be restricted to just Rom ships as all factions have there own "space whales".
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  • forcemajeureforcemajeure Member Posts: 212 Arc User
    spielman1 wrote: »
    Nothing new there yes I do have the same problem along with many other players many have there own views as to why, what makes it really sad the company is refusing to address the problem and correct it so that Romulan players can play on a equal bases.

    Please refer to this thread: https://arcgames.com/en/forums/startrekonline/#/discussion/1245168/benefits-of-romulan-character-over-fed for an overview of why having Romulans play on an equal basis with Fed/KDF/others would be a downgrade.
  • leemwatsonleemwatson Member Posts: 5,331 Arc User
    Hey, people
    I've playing with Romulan Refits at LV 65 and I noticed that the shield in space combat depletes really fast and then I tried the same with FED Refits and they don't have an issue with this. Am I missing something? Just weird that ROM ship is more fragile than FED ones.
    Would appreciate any pointers.

    Thanks in advance

    It's due to their initially low levels of power and a ship's HP modifier. Shield power dictates HP, Regen and Shield Resistance. However, Feds do inately have better shields in terms of HP. Nothing out of order here.
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  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    spielman1 wrote: »
    Thanks for the help. The Valdore console sounds interesting 👍

    Happy to help, it's a great console and it's dirt cheap too. :smile:
    spielman1 wrote: »
    for sure no but the fact that they take away 10 power to all systems but give the feds and Klingons no weakness of there own to exploit doesn't help either

    If you think Romulans are less powerful then Feds or KDF then you're doing something really really wrong.

    I do pretty good in my Romulan out last most of the federation and Klingon Characters why well it a hug hunk of metal called armor does wonders at taking hits. I'm just saying when you take 10 power away from just one faction and give the Klingons and Federation nothing like that then that is wrong balance wise not saying that my Romulan Character sucks or anything you are assuming that.

    Because you get Romulan Battle Cloak and Singularity Powers. That was the "balance" behind it.

    In the end, the only power level that really matters is weapon unless, you're on a Science Vessel with an exotic damage/torp build, than it's Aux. Maximizing that is possible regardless of faction.
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  • seaofsorrowsseaofsorrows Member Posts: 10,918 Arc User
    spielman1 wrote: »
    when you take 10 power away from just one faction and give the Klingons and Federation nothing like that then that is wrong balance wise

    Romulans lose 10 power.. that's true.

    Romulans Gain:

    The best bridge officers in the game
    Singularity Powers
    Battle Cloak as a standard feature
    Access to their own ships as well as practically all other faction ships

    Seems like a fairly good trade off to me. :wink:
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  • forcemajeureforcemajeure Member Posts: 212 Arc User
    And perhaps it's a bit subjective, but let's not forget "best looking ships in the game".
  • lianthelialianthelia Member Posts: 7,820 Arc User
    spielman1 wrote: »
    when you take 10 power away from just one faction and give the Klingons and Federation nothing like that then that is wrong balance wise

    Romulans lose 10 power.. that's true.

    Romulans Gain:

    The best bridge officers in the game
    Singularity Powers
    Battle Cloak as a standard feature
    Access to their own ships as well as practically all other faction ships

    Seems like a fairly good trade off to me. :wink:

    Singularity powers that are so good you're better off just keeping your power with a good sing core than spending it on the powers!

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  • seaofsorrowsseaofsorrows Member Posts: 10,918 Arc User
    lianthelia wrote: »
    Wish people would stop pretending they're worth a damn...because they aren't.

    I just played a round of counterpoint where Quantum Absorption saved by backside at least 3 times. I'll give you that it's probably the only one that's any good, but it's nice to have a free power.
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  • galman1galman1 Member Posts: 9 Arc User
    One question. Not naming names, someone says rommie ships best at times, yet flys a federation vessel, or is that a re-textured rom ship so it isn't alone :smiley:
  • seaofsorrowsseaofsorrows Member Posts: 10,918 Arc User
    edited November 2018
    galman1 wrote: »
    One question. Not naming names, someone says rommie ships best at times, yet flys a federation vessel, or is that a re-textured rom ship so it isn't alone :smiley:

    People play more then one character.

    It's a Star Trek Game, my 'main' is a Fed.

    My most powerful character, is a Romulan.. allied with the Klingons. :lol:
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  • seaofsorrowsseaofsorrows Member Posts: 10,918 Arc User
    edited November 2018
    Just another note, if you find the minus to power to be a deal breaker, you can always choose to fly an allied ship with an anti matter warp core. The minus to power only occurs in Warbirds and you are not restricted to that type of ship.

    Personally, I only fly Warbirds on my Romulans.. but having options is always a good thing.
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  • forcemajeureforcemajeure Member Posts: 212 Arc User
    spielman1 wrote: »
    spielman1 wrote: »
    when you take 10 power away from just one faction and give the Klingons and Federation nothing like that then that is wrong balance wise

    Romulans lose 10 power.. that's true.

    Romulans Gain:

    The best bridge officers in the game
    Singularity Powers
    Battle Cloak as a standard feature
    Access to their own ships as well as practically all other faction ships

    Seems like a fairly good trade off to me. :wink:

    Yeah there is some good but I would give up some of the other races ships for more Romulan ships like light warbirds of the 24th century they looked like D'Deridex Class just smaller or the more improved D'Kazanak Class Heavy Warbird. Something like and a choice of either having the Singularity powers for a reduced power level or no Singularity power and no lose to power levels things like that see what players come up with. Don't get me wrong I stated in other post Romulan players can very powerful if done right but can pay massively if done wrong Fed Characters don't face as a harsh punishment nor do the Klingons been playing since before there was Klingons. They do but not as much of a smash on it.

    You seem a bit blind for a person who writes "as normal no one actually reads and interprets what is said".

    Best bridge officers + Battle cloak alone is enough to offset the -10 power. The Singularity powers are an option, and are useful, even if they aren't OP. (They also have the best selection of ship cards for Admiralty, which translates into more Dil, more EC, more XP, etc etc.)

    The part you are consistently missing out on is that Romulans can fly their own and the other factions ships. You know, those ships that don't have the -10 power penalty that you were wishing you could fly? You already can. You can even put the flatout best Romulan bridge officers on them. And any time you choose to, you can also fly a battle-cloaked, singularity-powered, cool-looking Romulan ship.

    If you are having problems with your Romulan captain and his ships... the problem isn't with the Romulans.
  • forcemajeureforcemajeure Member Posts: 212 Arc User
    Hey, people
    I've playing with Romulan Refits at LV 65 and I noticed that the shield in space combat depletes really fast and then I tried the same with FED Refits and they don't have an issue with this. Am I missing something? Just weird that ROM ship is more fragile than FED ones.
    Would appreciate any pointers.

    Thanks in advance

    Which ships specifically are you having issues with/comparing? If you are comparing an escort-type Romulan warbird to a Fed cruiser-style refit, of course you are going to get a significant survivability difference. Some ships simply can't be made as tough as other ships, and need changes to your build, powers or piloting style in order to survive.
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