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  • phoenixc#0738 phoenixc Member Posts: 4,646 Arc User
    It could be that the Iconians initially just moved to Andromeda and would have stayed there except for it becoming uninhabitable for them for the same reason as the Kelvans. And the galactic collision could provide the answer for why.

    The Milky Way has a giant singularity at the center, and there is the theory that all galaxies may have the same. Now, what if the Andromeda singularity collided with that of the one that was passing through? Computer simulations show there would be massive gravity ripples and probably a high energy radiation flash. For that matter, collisions between smaller singularities if they lacked central ones could make quite a mess, especially if it triggered some weird chain reaction in nearby stars.
    I think the biggest problem with that is that the events would still take a long time to unfold compared to the lifespan of a civilization. If two supermassive black holes collide within a galaxy, things would start happening once the second black hole starts to interact with elements in the other hole's accretion disk. Most likely, the material in these disks would heat up even more than usual, and that would probably happen over millions of years.
    Maybe it's possible when the second black hole is moving very fast, close to the speed of light? But it seems that would have other side effects, aside from seeming unlikely.

    True, and it would have been going for millions of years already. It could be that the Kelvans are on the rim closest to the Milky Way and just recently discovered what has happened to the bulk of their galaxy if their FTL sensors work like the other Trek sensors and have a finite range (and of course passive sensors that depend on light would never see it coming). From the dialog it appears that the threat was still a little ways off but inevitable so perhaps they moved early like the Puppeteers in the Ringworld continuum and other powers are sitting over there working on a faster travel method to escape it like Niven's humans were.
  • warpangelwarpangel Member Posts: 9,427 Arc User
    Okay... Fine... Let's go with the Iconians. They were behind everything from the start of STO. The damage to Andromeda might as well be laid at their feet as well.

    I for one would like to see an over-arching plotline that doesn't revolve around some big bunch of bad boys being blown to bits.
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  • duncanidaho11duncanidaho11 Member Posts: 7,624 Arc User
    edited November 2018
    patrickngo wrote: »
    do you get it yet? They got nothing they can use now, that is an actually credible 'big bad' but Cryptic can't work without one. every possible or even probable villain's been defanged. what's left are ineffectual has-beens and never-weres.

    Except that Cryptic typically doesn't give complete resolution to villain arcs. T'Ket, Noyes, Sela, Leeta, the Voth, the Borg, and Sphere Builders (we only saw the end point, not the lead up to Procyon V in real time) are all extant threats, pending a prison break or a new motivation for hostilities. Add to that any amount of rogue Klingons, Gorn, Ferengi, Federation Admirals, Section 31 agents, and any other villain created in the same mold as those from the series. Plus they can always fill in the background to V'Ger, Whale Probe, T'kon Empire, or Kelvans similar to the Hur'Q (initial hostility leading to cultural reconciliation.) And last but not least: they can always create an original villain faction if they're really out of material from the series.

    We have resolution to specific arcs but your assertion that these reach an all-encompassing terminus is self-serving hyperbole. That's literally untrue except in those cases where a villain is killed off who personally represented the motivating force for the conflict (Undine, Vorgons, Dominion) so any resumption would require new narrative groundwork (though that's certainly not impossible to do.) You can't see a bigger threat, but I'll hold that's a failure of imagination and not on the game's writing (as a Foundry author, I've got no shortage of potential hostiles to choose from for my work in STO and I can easily extrapolate up for a season full arc. STO has a huge universe to pull from and Cryptic has only scratched the surface on original conflict and new story arcs.)
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  • warpangelwarpangel Member Posts: 9,427 Arc User
    patrickngo wrote: »
    do you get it yet? They got nothing they can use now, that is an actually credible 'big bad' but Cryptic can't work without one. every possible or even probable villain's been defanged. what's left are ineffectual has-beens and never-weres.

    Except that Cryptic typically doesn't give complete resolution to villain arcs. T'Ket, Noyes, Sela, Leeta, the Voth, the Borg, and Sphere Builders (we only saw the end point, not the lead up to Procyon V in real time) are all extant threats, pending a prison break or a new motivation for hostilities. Add to that any amount of rogue Klingons, Gorn, Ferengi, Federation Admirals, Section 31 agents, and any other villain created in the same mold as those from the series. Plus they can always fill in the background to V'Ger, Whale Probe, T'kon Empire, or Kelvans similar to the Hur'Q (initial hostility leading to cultural reconciliation.) And last but not least: they can always create an original villain faction if they're really out of material from the series.

    We have resolution to specific arcs but your assertion that these reach an all-encompassing terminus is self-serving hyperbole. That's literally untrue except in those cases where a villain is killed off who personally represented the motivating force for the conflict (Undine, Vorgons, Dominion) so any resumption would require new narrative groundwork (though that's certainly not impossible to do.) You can't see a bigger threat, but I'll hold that's a failure of imagination and not on the game's writing (as a Foundry author, I've got no shortage of potential hostiles to choose from for my work in STO and I can easily extrapolate up for a season full arc. STO has a huge universe to pull from and Cryptic has only scratched the surface on original conflict and new story arcs.)
    Right. STO typically has us stop the evil plot, but leaves the villain to exit stage left. Even in cases where a personified villain is killed, their faction remains.

    The RSE is probably the only complete reversal of an entire faction...and even that is contingent on believing Sela's claim that she has no more followers left (as if she would tell us if she did).
  • khan5000khan5000 Member Posts: 3,005 Arc User
    Or they could create the new baddie unshackled from canon
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  • warpangelwarpangel Member Posts: 9,427 Arc User
    patrickngo wrote: »
    warpangel wrote: »
    Right. STO typically has us stop the evil plot, but leaves the villain to exit stage left. Even in cases where a personified villain is killed, their faction remains.

    The RSE is probably the only complete reversal of an entire faction...and even that is contingent on believing Sela's claim that she has no more followers left (as if she would tell us if she did).
    Yeah
    -There's still remnants of the Tal Shiar out there
    -There's still remnants of the True Way out there
    -The Breen are still out there
    -The Tholians are still out there
    -Most of the Delta Quad baddies(Borg, Voth, Hirogen, Kazon, Malon, APUs) are still out there
    -T'Ket and her forces are still out there
    -The fact the Temporal Cold War was a time war means we can see any of the Temporal Liberation Front factions at any time
    -Theres still Hur'q fleets that haven't gotten the cure out there
    What about a story arc that deals with the origin of the guardian of forever and who built the facility that housed it that is in ruins by the time Gateway was discovered in the 23rd century...
    The Guardian of Forever is over 4.5 billion years old, and the only races known to exist in that era are the Preservers and the Q. And when asking it about the Iconians, the way it speaks about the Preservers implies it was made by them.

    Okay, let's look at this now;

    T'Ket's become a joke, that was the whole point of "Quark's Lucky Seven".

    The Hur'q are pretty much totally defanged, at best they pose a minor local hazard in a few systems.

    The Tholians have also been rendered to at most a minor local troublemaker.

    The Breen? really?? Maybe grade AA ballplayers compared to the "Galactic Alliance's" Major League teams.

    The True Way? Okay, that's a problem for the local cops, not a significant threat.

    Noye's dead, so The Temporal Cold War is a non-issue-we won that already.

    The Voth are defanged, the Hirogen are a local street gang, the Kazon are another joke, the APU's don't pose a serious threat and the Borg?? don't make me laugh.

    and finally, the Tal'Shiar is another situation where the Romulans can handle them all by their ownselves.

    This is kinda what I was getting at; by rushing forward with the Grand Galactic Alliance the way Cryptic has, there really isn't anything that can serve as even a reasonable single season's worth left to use, the closest they can get, is somehow making the Kelvans or the Q a threat-or something on that scale, because pretty much everything that could pose a significant threat is either damaged down to the point of being a local matter, or otherwise neutralized to relative impotence, with the remnants of the larger threats so utterly neutralized they no longer have credibility as serious opposition.
    Your personal opinions of the supposed "impotence" of the various antagonist factions do not constrain Cryptic's storywriting in any way.
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