That isn't accurate either which you would know if you actually paid any attention at all.
Yes it is.
It is so discontinuous that there are too many examples to list.
A glaringly obvious one is that in ST:3 SFS, Kirk remarks that the Excelsior is the great experiment. It is also the largest Federation starship built by that time (determined by numerous materials written in the 1980s, and ST:6 UC). ST:3 takes place at least fifteen to twenty years after TRIBBLE. Excelsior is 460 meters long (approximately), USS Discovery/Crossfield-class is 750.5 meters long (official length at this point). Like it or not--accept it or not--that breaks with existing continuity. Transwarp was the most advanced warp at the time of ST:3 SFS, yet Discovery has the Spice...I mean Spore drive. Those are just two examples. Add the size of every other Federation starship seen in Star Trek Discontinuity and it's pretty clear it has no connection to either STE or ST:TOS. Throw the Klingon debacle into this mix and at that point ST:TOS is effectively replaced entirely as is everything based on it. The design of the new USS Enterprise--while good looking--is totally discontinuous with the original ST:TOS Constitution class. In fact, the TRIBBLE Enterprise looks more like a pre-ST:2009 ship that is later refit into the ship used in the Kelvin Universe. I've paid attention plenty, and studied the Eaglemoss model data since they have the official lengths of the ships in TRIBBLE. The design of the Klingon and Federation ships do not fit into the time period between STE and ST:TOS. That is obvious. Prior to TRIBBLE, there was a contiguous evolution in terms of both Klingon and Federation Technology that was relatively coherent all the way into STO. Now, the evolutionary path of Star Trek technology is disjointed because of S.. Unless of course the Discontinuity-verse becomes its own timeline, then the problem is solved.
Every example you list, I can think of as being a retcon to the story. Star Trek is no stranger to when it comes to changing its stories.
- For example, much of what TOS introduced in regards to the Klingon look changed by the time the motion pictures rolled around. Yet, there were never any statements about how the Klingons looked different because they were being treated as though they always had ridges.
- The story of Klingon and Human/Federation contact has varied throughout the series. TNG stated that First Contact with the Klingons ended in disaster and lead to decades of war. Yet Later in Enterprise, which was produced later, doesn't quite show it as much of a disaster as the Klingons simply disliking humans.
- There's also retcons to the borg over time. Like when we first are introduced to them in TNG, the borg all have the generic human look to them, when later we see that when assimilated, drones are made up of several species. Another good example is that while Picard was able to regain his individuality mostly because he assimilated a short time, a drone like Hugh did not show any reversions to whom they are. Later series though has that once a drone is separated, they start to regain their individuality.
Keep in mind that at the time that Star Trek III was produced, Star Trek: Enterprise nor Star Trek: Discovery had been in production, so the whole thing with the spore drive is another retcon. A plausible reason as to why it never gets mentioned is that because the spore drive requires a biological component to operate efficiently, they decided to shelve it as unreliable.
You're just only fooling yourself when you state that Discovery is its own timeline. I'm sure there are some people in the STO dev staff that feel the same way you do, but they treat Discovery the same that the Discovery writers are treating Discovery, a show that takes place in the same universe as the rest of all the TV sereis that came before it.
It wasn't that long ago there was a number of users that had problems with the Kentari and argued that the use of the chemical/radioactive dusters as a prise in game desensitized the possible use or shock that would be caused by actual use.
The answer was simply skip the effected missions, and or story arc. I am sure that the DEVs get stats on how many times missions, arcs, and STFs get run. If they see that STFs and the Missions involving the current show are not run, characters not created, etc. ships from that era not played, and lottery boxes with discovery content unopened. they will move on to something else.
But the answer is to simply not play what missions, ships, toons, you don't like. But this does not mean that; "Well this one mission isn't too bad and it has a great reward!" If it has the Discovery content that you are against don't play it.
Yes you can voice your opinion on the threads without turning them into a flame war. Also people have been writing posts predicting the death of STO since launch. Go back and read them, but either flames or predictions of doom and gloom get me to skip over your messages as I read through them. And I am sure I am not alone.
I did say that I would be playing Winter and Summer events as they are not TRIBBLE related. I also said that if / when they did new non-STVD content I'd support and play that as well. According to this roadmap, it will be a long time if ever before we see any new content that is not STVD in this game.
Hence why I said "RIP to STO, 2010-2018, it's STDO now. All they have left to do is change the name to make it official". I didn't say the game would shut down, I said that the game we knew is gone and replaced by "Star Trek Discovery Online". I've yet to see any evidence that would convince me otherwise.
In response to unwarranted censorship, now I will refer to it as STVD, "Star Trek Very Dumb". My opinion. Don't like it, shove it.
I don't understand what the problem with having them work on discovery content for a long time is. No one had problems when we've spent almost a good two years focused on the Tzenkethi storyline before we got an ending for that. I honestly feel like this content drop is honestly being made a bigger deal by people than I think people make of Discovery itself.
This game is NOT turning into Discovery Online. All they're doing is bringing a new era of trek into the game. We're eventually gonna get 2410 content with a Pahvo TFO, and eventually we're gonna get back to J'Ula being in 2410 as well. You DO wanna come back for when we get there, right @darthmeow504 ?
Now the forum changes TRIBBLE to tribble... cute. Squashing expression you don't like won't make the feelings go away, it will only make them stronger.
That's an odd reaction to have though with an untenable argument. Ie. that we shouldn't be using the abbreviation [edit] the game uses (DSC) to refer to Discovery. Again, see lobi store. If you want to communicate with STO players in an intelligible way regarding DSC then DSC is the designated convention and one that is easier to argue for both on the grounds of how we refer to other Star Trek Series (never ST[X]) but also the obvious convergence with the medical field (and is often used in that context to disparage the show. See. the terms of use, no flaming/trolling.) DSC versus DIS is a more open subject of debate (Memory Alpha uses DIS) but until one or the other wins out in popular convention its advisable to use whichever is more prevalent in a given environment.
Remember, these forums are for Star Trek Online and this thread is dedicated to discussing upcoming content announced in the roadmap [lots of details dropped last night]. If you really do care about the quality of discussion the place to start is there, building a constructive point about the topic, not blaming other users for failing to provide DSC-naysayers with sufficient validation [irrespective of the objective quality of their arguments or relevance to this thread, or indeed Star Trek Online.]
I provided a summary of key points unveiled last night about the roadmap earlier in this thread [bout a page ago], should anyone be unable ATM to view the replay of last night's livestream with Andre and Kael. The link is right here:
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Acronyms are initials of a few words, DSC is a few letters from one word, it's not an acronym it's an abbreviation.
Point taken.
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Now the forum changes TRIBBLE to tribble... cute. Squashing expression you don't like won't make the feelings go away, it will only make them stronger.
That's an odd reaction to have though with an untenable argument. Ie. that we shouldn't be using the acronym the game uses (DSC) to refer to Discovery.
I use what terminology I damned well please. If you don't like it, you're welcome to come and attempt to stop me. Again, attempting to force me to accept this series and its content will only deepen my resolve to resist it.
Don't play it, don't watch it. You don't have to accept this content (though do try to stay within the bounds of mutually respectful discussion, the topic of this thread, and the TOU. If you include that as part of your "resistance" then perhaps it would be a good time to take a step back from discussion and let your economic and activity data points speak for you. You don't have to give up on the game completely [the devs have made it very clear that STO will not become DSC online. They're aware of the title and remit of their game, and they are fans of the other series as well.] just follow through with a position to give weight to that argument. Note too that when the Foundry comes back online there's going to be a readily available resource to occupy STO time with that doesn't involve Discovery. And if you don't find anything to your taste or standards, try making content yourself. When I reached burnout with the core game a few years ago [in part because large portions of the game became literally unplayable to me because of an FPS-killing bug] I transitioned into making Foundry missions. I'm still here. Again, you don't have to do that but if you haven't considered it yet then it may be worth a thought to stay invested with the parts of the game you do enjoy.)
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EDIT: In response to unwarranted censorship, now I will refer to it as STVD, "Star Trek Very Dumb". My opinion. Don't like it, shove it. And yes, I know that has a different second meaning. If you censor my mild snark about the show, I'll happily replace it with something worse. Start censoring STVD as well and I'll escalate. You cannot change my mind by force. All you can do is lose me as a customer forever if you keep stepping on my neck.
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Now the forum changes TRIBBLE to tribble... cute. Squashing expression you don't like won't make the feelings go away, it will only make them stronger.
That's an odd reaction to have though with an untenable argument. Ie. that we shouldn't be using the acronym the game uses (DSC) to refer to Discovery.
I use what terminology I damned well please. If you don't like it, you're welcome to come and attempt to stop me. Again, attempting to force me to accept this series and its content will only deepen my resolve to resist it.
Don't play it, don't watch it. You don't have to accept this content (though do try to stay within the bounds of mutually respectful discussion, the topic of this thread, and the TOU. If you include that as part of your "resistance" then perhaps it would be a good time to take a step back from discussion and let your economic and activity data points speak for you. You don't have to give up on the game completely [the devs have made it very clear that STO will not become DSC online. They're aware of the title and remit of their game, and they are fans of the other series as well.] just follow through with a position to give weight to that argument. Note too that when the Foundry comes back online there's going to be a readily available resource to occupy STO time with that doesn't involve Discovery. And if you don't find anything to your taste or standards, try making content yourself. When I reached burnout with the core game a few years ago [in part because large portions of the game became literally unplayable to me because of an FPS-killing bug] I transitioned into making Foundry missions. I'm still here. Again, you don't have to do that but if you haven't considered it yet then it may be worth a thought to stay invested with the parts of the game you do enjoy.)
Not an unreasonable position. If I can find some TOS missions to play in the Foundry, that would be great. A replay of AoY might be nice as well. I imagine that metric would send a similar message, perhaps, if enough replay the old and avoid the new. I'll give it some time and thought and see how I feel.
Try my Foundry Mission, "Ooooooo, Jem!" It's got some TOS style stuff, PLUS one of the ships you gotta fight might have you smile once you scrag it.
Not an unreasonable position. If I can find some TOS missions to play in the Foundry, that would be great. A replay of AoY might be nice as well. I imagine that metric would send a similar message, perhaps, if enough replay the old and avoid the new. I'll give it some time and thought and see how I feel.
"Star Trek Continues" is a very well regarded and long-running series set in the TOS era (separate as I understand it from the fan series by the same name). Not the only example of TOS themed or TOS era missions either, if you need recommendations when the time comes hop on over to the Foundry general forum and folks should be able to help find more.
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Perhaps we could talk about visiting the D'kel Star Cluster in our Daystrom Science Crusiers and filling up our Dilitium Storage Containers instead.
But no, it seems that people would rather Derail Serious Conversation with Derogatory Snide Comments because of their Deep Single-minded Conviction to Debate Secondary Considerations.
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Other than the Zen store Tier 1 NX, the Lobi store Tier 6 NX, and the two Zen Store uniforms, what did they do for Enterprise? Discovery's had more actual gameplay than Enterprise did.
While I'm not a fan of Discovery, I am intrigued at what they've got planned, and I like the ships so far. So for me, if I don't like the new content, I just won't replay it once I cleared it (or use it if it's equipment/ships).
Temporal Cold War missions are a continuation from Enterprise. Don’t forget the Ent-J, The Kumari escorts, everything Suliban, there’s a mission where we travel back into an episode of Enterprise
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It is them placing a censor on an acronym that is common for the show we are talking about because a few snowflakes gets triggered by it.
I can't say I agree with the needless censorship either. Both because it's a bad precedent to set, and because the acronym made picking out the bad posts at a glance quicker.
Temporal Cold War missions are a continuation from Enterprise. Don’t forget the Ent-J, The Kumari escorts, everything Suliban, there’s a mission where we travel back into an episode of Enterprise
The Temporal Cold War was the worst bit of Enterprise, it got much better once they dealt with that plotline. And which mission do you travel back to the Enterprise Episode?
And yeah, I did forgot the Xindi, Suliban and Kumari ships too... would be cool if you could make an Enterprise style Gorn or a female one, same for Nausicaans and Letheans, seeing HALF the KDF starting races (non Zen store or Lifetime subscriber) are forced to play as male, while the Romulan and Starfleet races have no such restriction.
There’s a mission where the Kal Dano’s timeshuttle gets lost in time and you go back in time to the Ent episode Future Tense
> @alyxvixen#3895 said: > khan5000 wrote: » > > Temporal Cold War missions are a continuation from Enterprise. Don’t forget the Ent-J, The Kumari escorts, everything Suliban, there’s a mission where we travel back into an episode of Enterprise > > > > > The Temporal Cold War was the worse bit of Enterprise, it got much better once they dealt with that plotline. And which mission do you travel back to the Enterprise Episode? > > And yeah, I did forgot the Xindi, Suliban and Kumari ships too... would be cool if you could make an Enterprise style Gorn or a female one, same for Nausicaans and Letheans, seeing HALF the KDF starting races (non Zen store or Lifetime subscriber) are forced to play as male, while the Romulan and Starfleet races have no such restriction. > > But I'm drifting away from the topic... Sorry!
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But why is ST:D getting more game content than ST:TOS, not to mention we never got anything like this for ST:E.
TOS Federation characters actually got quite a bit in the way of content. Let's take a look at what was released during the AoY expansion:
- Tutorial (I Sing of Arms, Search and Rescue, Bull By the Horns, Dislodging Klingons, The Taurean Affair, Earthward Bound)
- In the Shadow of Cestus
- Painful Omens
- Return to Babel
- Tangled Webs
- The Battle of Caleb IV
- TOS era appropriate animations
- While not exactly for TOS characters, there were two TFOs introduced that was set in the era and a cross-faction episode that dealt with the change that occurred with Galorndon Core.
They were never going to spend a great deal of time with TOS. It was meant to pay a homage to the series that started it all.
As for Enterprise not getting anything like this, there really isn't much that they can do for Enterprise that they haven't already taken from Enterprise already. Not to mention that if they had did something, by the time we got to Discovery, it would be a third take on time travel.
- We have Daniels and the Temporal War which we've covered in part with AoY
- We have the Elachi whom were the mysterious aliens that were blowing up their subspace transponders which they were trying to set
- We have the Sphere Builders which had their part in the battle of Procyon V
- We covered the origins of the time pod which turned out to be Kal Dano's pod.
- The Xindi ships are in the game for the most part
Discovery meanwhile is an ongoing production, and thus the game has an opportunity to pull fans of Discovery in by promoting that the game is offering a chance for them to create a character in that era.
Now the forum changes TRIBBLE to tribble... cute. Squashing expression you don't like won't make the feelings go away, it will only make them stronger.
That's an odd reaction to have though with an untenable argument. Ie. that we shouldn't be using the acronym the game uses (DSC) to refer to Discovery.
I use what terminology I damned well please. If you don't like it, you're welcome to come and attempt to stop me. Again, attempting to force me to accept this series and its content will only deepen my resolve to resist it.
I don't understand what the problem with having them work on discovery content for a long time is. No one had problems when we've spent almost a good two years focused on the Tzenkethi storyline before we got an ending for that. I honestly feel like this content drop is honestly being made a bigger deal by people than I think people make of Discovery itself.
This game is NOT turning into Discovery Online. All they're doing is bringing a new era of trek into the game. We're eventually gonna get 2410 content with a Pahvo TFO, and eventually we're gonna get back to J'Ula being in 2410 as well. You DO wanna come back for when we get there, right @darthmeow504 ?
Because I don't want it, I won't play it, and it's the only new content that will be produced for the foreseeable future. So what am I supposed to do, just repeat old content for old time's sake? To support the metrics and the bottom line of a game whose direction I fundamentally disagree with? Why the hell would I do that?
By the by, Pahvo and J'Ula are STVD content, they are from that show and thus no I won't be playing anything with them in it. As it stands, the only things on the roadmap which aren't infected with STVD are the Winter and Summer Events, and I said I would play those so long as those weren't also altered to include STVD content. If they do, I won't play those either. I will not support STVD in any way, shape or form. Consider it a boycott. I will not break it even under penalty of death. I'm stubborn like that. The harder you push, the deeper my resistance grows.
Seriously, though, what is difficult to understand about this? The game was about a thing I love, and now it's been changed to be all about a thing I hate. Why would I spend my time and money on that? It would be like hating black licorice and then your local ice cream shop that you used to like starts carrying only black licorice flavored ice cream. Would you go back and eat there? Would you not protest to the owner and say that unless they bring back the flavors you do like you won't be their customer anymore? That's what I'm doing. They changed the flavor to one I can't stand, so I won't eat there until they bring back what I do like. It's my time and money to spend, is it not? I'm not going to spend it on something I dislike. It's that simple.
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I agree.
The more they attempt to force this S-T-D down our throats, the more it shows that Discontinuity cannot stand on its own merits.
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I very much disagree that they're trying to shove it down our throats. Playing the content is entirely optional.
I distinctly remember from tuning into several Ten Forward weekly episodes that there were people whom were asking when we were getting Discovery story content and other stuff, especially when the first season was coming out. I was one of those people that wanted story content.
Cryptic is simply treating Star Trek: Discovery like they would any other series, with the exception that it is a currently ongoing production and they are giving the focus that they wanted to give it for a while now. Besides, since they just ended a nearly 2 year long arc they started with "Echoes of Light," they figured there was no better time to start doing Discovery content then when they had nothing else to focus in on.
I do think that they are missing a unique opportunity to allow us the choice to have a Disco era klingon character too, but that is on them.
I anted to know, so in Wednesday's livestream I asked Andre Emerson what he thought about it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgv4L5g7fVo
Skip ahead to around 1:08:00. Short answer: he wants to but hasn't found time to do it yet. But, if you really want it, ask incessantly.
Playable DSC Klingons, Andorians, Tellarites, That one robo girl on the Bridge, saurian...
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Playable DSC Klingons, Andorians, Tellarites, That one robo girl on the Bridge, saurian...
It's just a matter of them finding the audience for a playable DSC Klingon experience.
As for Andorians and Tellarites, I believe they want to put those species into the Discovery side, it's just a matter of them finding the time for them to be added. They can't do everything at once with the amount of people they have to work on the game.
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Every example you list, I can think of as being a retcon to the story. Star Trek is no stranger to when it comes to changing its stories.
- For example, much of what TOS introduced in regards to the Klingon look changed by the time the motion pictures rolled around. Yet, there were never any statements about how the Klingons looked different because they were being treated as though they always had ridges.
- The story of Klingon and Human/Federation contact has varied throughout the series. TNG stated that First Contact with the Klingons ended in disaster and lead to decades of war. Yet Later in Enterprise, which was produced later, doesn't quite show it as much of a disaster as the Klingons simply disliking humans.
- There's also retcons to the borg over time. Like when we first are introduced to them in TNG, the borg all have the generic human look to them, when later we see that when assimilated, drones are made up of several species. Another good example is that while Picard was able to regain his individuality mostly because he assimilated a short time, a drone like Hugh did not show any reversions to whom they are. Later series though has that once a drone is separated, they start to regain their individuality.
Keep in mind that at the time that Star Trek III was produced, Star Trek: Enterprise nor Star Trek: Discovery had been in production, so the whole thing with the spore drive is another retcon. A plausible reason as to why it never gets mentioned is that because the spore drive requires a biological component to operate efficiently, they decided to shelve it as unreliable.
You're just only fooling yourself when you state that Discovery is its own timeline. I'm sure there are some people in the STO dev staff that feel the same way you do, but they treat Discovery the same that the Discovery writers are treating Discovery, a show that takes place in the same universe as the rest of all the TV sereis that came before it.
I don't understand what the problem with having them work on discovery content for a long time is. No one had problems when we've spent almost a good two years focused on the Tzenkethi storyline before we got an ending for that. I honestly feel like this content drop is honestly being made a bigger deal by people than I think people make of Discovery itself.
This game is NOT turning into Discovery Online. All they're doing is bringing a new era of trek into the game. We're eventually gonna get 2410 content with a Pahvo TFO, and eventually we're gonna get back to J'Ula being in 2410 as well. You DO wanna come back for when we get there, right @darthmeow504 ?
That's an odd reaction to have though with an untenable argument. Ie. that we shouldn't be using the abbreviation [edit] the game uses (DSC) to refer to Discovery. Again, see lobi store. If you want to communicate with STO players in an intelligible way regarding DSC then DSC is the designated convention and one that is easier to argue for both on the grounds of how we refer to other Star Trek Series (never ST[X]) but also the obvious convergence with the medical field (and is often used in that context to disparage the show. See. the terms of use, no flaming/trolling.) DSC versus DIS is a more open subject of debate (Memory Alpha uses DIS) but until one or the other wins out in popular convention its advisable to use whichever is more prevalent in a given environment.
Remember, these forums are for Star Trek Online and this thread is dedicated to discussing upcoming content announced in the roadmap [lots of details dropped last night]. If you really do care about the quality of discussion the place to start is there, building a constructive point about the topic, not blaming other users for failing to provide DSC-naysayers with sufficient validation [irrespective of the objective quality of their arguments or relevance to this thread, or indeed Star Trek Online.]
I provided a summary of key points unveiled last night about the roadmap earlier in this thread [bout a page ago], should anyone be unable ATM to view the replay of last night's livestream with Andre and Kael. The link is right here:
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Point taken.
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Don't play it, don't watch it. You don't have to accept this content (though do try to stay within the bounds of mutually respectful discussion, the topic of this thread, and the TOU. If you include that as part of your "resistance" then perhaps it would be a good time to take a step back from discussion and let your economic and activity data points speak for you. You don't have to give up on the game completely [the devs have made it very clear that STO will not become DSC online. They're aware of the title and remit of their game, and they are fans of the other series as well.] just follow through with a position to give weight to that argument. Note too that when the Foundry comes back online there's going to be a readily available resource to occupy STO time with that doesn't involve Discovery. And if you don't find anything to your taste or standards, try making content yourself. When I reached burnout with the core game a few years ago [in part because large portions of the game became literally unplayable to me because of an FPS-killing bug] I transitioned into making Foundry missions. I'm still here. Again, you don't have to do that but if you haven't considered it yet then it may be worth a thought to stay invested with the parts of the game you do enjoy.)
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Try my Foundry Mission, "Ooooooo, Jem!" It's got some TOS style stuff, PLUS one of the ships you gotta fight might have you smile once you scrag it.
"Star Trek Continues" is a very well regarded and long-running series set in the TOS era (separate as I understand it from the fan series by the same name). Not the only example of TOS themed or TOS era missions either, if you need recommendations when the time comes hop on over to the Foundry general forum and folks should be able to help find more.
Notable missions: Apex [AEI], Gemini [SSF], Trident [AEI], Evolution's Smile [SSF], Transcendence
Looking for something new to play? I've started building Foundry missions again in visual novel form!
But no, it seems that people would rather Derail Serious Conversation with Derogatory Snide Comments because of their Deep Single-minded Conviction to Debate Secondary Considerations.
Well I am Done Subliminally Chatting for now.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
Other than the Zen store Tier 1 NX, the Lobi store Tier 6 NX, and the two Zen Store uniforms, what did they do for Enterprise? Discovery's had more actual gameplay than Enterprise did.
While I'm not a fan of Discovery, I am intrigued at what they've got planned, and I like the ships so far. So for me, if I don't like the new content, I just won't replay it once I cleared it (or use it if it's equipment/ships).
Let us explore it... together. Each man hides a secret pain. It must be exposed and reckoned with. It must be dragged from the darkness and forced into the light. Share your pain. Share your pain with me... and gain strength from the sharing.
I can't say I agree with the needless censorship either. Both because it's a bad precedent to set, and because the acronym made picking out the bad posts at a glance quicker.
I Support Disco | Disco is Love | Disco is Life
The Temporal Cold War was the worst bit of Enterprise, it got much better once they dealt with that plotline. And which mission do you travel back to the Enterprise Episode?
And yeah, I did forgot the Xindi, Suliban and Kumari ships too... would be cool if you could make an Enterprise style Gorn or a female one, same for Nausicaans and Letheans, seeing HALF the KDF starting races (non Zen store or Lifetime subscriber) are forced to play as male, while the Romulan and Starfleet races have no such restriction.
But I'm drifting away from the topic... Sorry!
Future Tense
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Let us explore it... together. Each man hides a secret pain. It must be exposed and reckoned with. It must be dragged from the darkness and forced into the light. Share your pain. Share your pain with me... and gain strength from the sharing.
TOS Federation characters actually got quite a bit in the way of content. Let's take a look at what was released during the AoY expansion:
- Tutorial (I Sing of Arms, Search and Rescue, Bull By the Horns, Dislodging Klingons, The Taurean Affair, Earthward Bound)
- In the Shadow of Cestus
- Painful Omens
- Return to Babel
- Tangled Webs
- The Battle of Caleb IV
- TOS era appropriate animations
- While not exactly for TOS characters, there were two TFOs introduced that was set in the era and a cross-faction episode that dealt with the change that occurred with Galorndon Core.
They were never going to spend a great deal of time with TOS. It was meant to pay a homage to the series that started it all.
As for Enterprise not getting anything like this, there really isn't much that they can do for Enterprise that they haven't already taken from Enterprise already. Not to mention that if they had did something, by the time we got to Discovery, it would be a third take on time travel.
- We have Daniels and the Temporal War which we've covered in part with AoY
- We have the Elachi whom were the mysterious aliens that were blowing up their subspace transponders which they were trying to set
- We have the Sphere Builders which had their part in the battle of Procyon V
- We covered the origins of the time pod which turned out to be Kal Dano's pod.
- The Xindi ships are in the game for the most part
Discovery meanwhile is an ongoing production, and thus the game has an opportunity to pull fans of Discovery in by promoting that the game is offering a chance for them to create a character in that era.
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I very much disagree that they're trying to shove it down our throats. Playing the content is entirely optional.
I distinctly remember from tuning into several Ten Forward weekly episodes that there were people whom were asking when we were getting Discovery story content and other stuff, especially when the first season was coming out. I was one of those people that wanted story content.
Cryptic is simply treating Star Trek: Discovery like they would any other series, with the exception that it is a currently ongoing production and they are giving the focus that they wanted to give it for a while now. Besides, since they just ended a nearly 2 year long arc they started with "Echoes of Light," they figured there was no better time to start doing Discovery content then when they had nothing else to focus in on.
Skip ahead to around 1:08:00. Short answer: he wants to but hasn't found time to do it yet. But, if you really want it, ask incessantly.
My character Tsin'xing
Let us explore it... together. Each man hides a secret pain. It must be exposed and reckoned with. It must be dragged from the darkness and forced into the light. Share your pain. Share your pain with me... and gain strength from the sharing.
It's just a matter of them finding the audience for a playable DSC Klingon experience.
As for Andorians and Tellarites, I believe they want to put those species into the Discovery side, it's just a matter of them finding the time for them to be added. They can't do everything at once with the amount of people they have to work on the game.