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Before anything else let me say that I like the new random system by and large. I admit that I was somewhat lukewarm about it before it came out but having played it a lot since it dropped and I've had a lot of fun.
It has one significant problem though, leavers.
Ib4 the "I hate ground" crowd can hijack this thing. This is not a ground problem guys.
I've played a number of ground TFOs, both some I landed in randomly and some I queued up for myself. I have not yet come across a single leaver on ground and this in spite of having done Cure ground - which is long - and Undine Infiltrator - which is somewhat bugged and hence unpopular - multiple times now.
No, every single leaver have been in a space queue. It's not a ground problem, it's an Entitled Player problem and it needs to be dealt with.
This could have been foreseen as Neverwinter had the exact same problem with its random queues and our random system is in many ways a copy paste of that one. So I suggest that it is dealt with in the same way, make the leaver penalty account wide so there's no option to just jump toons and keep queuing up.
Of course this creates a problem if you have to leave because of a bug in the queue where such a penalty would be unfair, which is why we need a Vote to Abandon and have always had so in fact. Only with the queues dead it was less noticeable it wasn't there, but with them alive again the lack of "vote to abandon" for a queue that cannot be completed is a must.
So these are my suggestions: Give us a vote to leave and for heaven's sake do something about the leavers such as making the leaver penalty account wide. I'm beyond tired of entitled shitheels who wants the rewards for doing randoms but don't want to do the content they get.
It has one significant problem though, leavers.
Ib4 the "I hate ground" crowd can hijack this thing. This is not a ground problem guys.
I've played a number of ground TFOs, both some I landed in randomly and some I queued up for myself. I have not yet come across a single leaver on ground and this in spite of having done Cure ground - which is long - and Undine Infiltrator - which is somewhat bugged and hence unpopular - multiple times now.
No, every single leaver have been in a space queue. It's not a ground problem, it's an Entitled Player problem and it needs to be dealt with.
This could have been foreseen as Neverwinter had the exact same problem with its random queues and our random system is in many ways a copy paste of that one. So I suggest that it is dealt with in the same way, make the leaver penalty account wide so there's no option to just jump toons and keep queuing up.
Of course this creates a problem if you have to leave because of a bug in the queue where such a penalty would be unfair, which is why we need a Vote to Abandon and have always had so in fact. Only with the queues dead it was less noticeable it wasn't there, but with them alive again the lack of "vote to abandon" for a queue that cannot be completed is a must.
So these are my suggestions: Give us a vote to leave and for heaven's sake do something about the leavers such as making the leaver penalty account wide. I'm beyond tired of entitled shitheels who wants the rewards for doing randoms but don't want to do the content they get.
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Count the number of times someone leaves a random queue and don't give the extra reward until they've made it up with an equal number of completed randoms. Account-wide of course.
By doing so the chance to encounter leavers, AFKers or players who can’t handle the content are greatly reduced.
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I had a run with a friend with the random Q. The random was Borg Onslaught advance and the team was aimless. Ended up getting themselves killed twice and just quit. Me and my friend stayed and had to slog away through it with only one person who was struggling to keep up. I lost count to how many times we died. Failed all the optional, but we managed to destroy the queen in the end.
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Doing that obviously won't get you the extra reward you would get for NOT choosing.
You can choose what you want to play, or you can get an extra reward by letting the game choose for you. Not both.
So far in every random queue I participated, I've seen at least one poor soul who always drops out. I don't blame the leaver guy but just a reaction to a broken system.
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It was a bug which I eventually got a work-around from someone on the forums, not Cryptic.
Unless it is 100% certain that it is a player issue and not bugs I am very much against any account wide penalty.
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Exhibit A; TFO bugs that stop the mission in its tracks. SB1 I'm looking at you primarily. It pops fairly frequently and now and then, it just plain breaks. Why should we get punished for quitting a broken queue?
Exhibit B; Some people loathe ground or some particular TFO. I have no problem with them up and leaving straight away and collecting another from the randoms. Punishing leavers to make them stay and slog through something they dislike is likely to have several effects. They'll quit RTFOs, reducing the pool of players, that's not a good outcome for Cryptic. They'll stay but perform badly out of spite, we've all met players like this. That outcome's not good for us.
I'm not a huge fan of ground TFOs, but so far they haven't popped all that often. When they do I grit my teeth and plod through as best I can (with my totally space focused build). I'd rather see people quit immediately on entering Bug Hunt or Cure than sit at the entrance or trot along doing sweet FA while getting a free boost.
I do have a couple that are and the only ground group content is sompek and that's about it.
Because of that I have tended to avoid the random queue option on most of my characters and for those couple I still breathe a small sigh of relief when its space because I simply don't enjoy the ground combat in sto.
Leavers will always happen in a random queue setup regardless of space or ground, particularly when STO has had a strong time/reward focus for as long as it has. Not much can be done about that apart from bumping up rewards for the unpopular places but thats a cheap fix which wouldn't stop leavers from doing so.
A vote to abandon would need rules in place such as minimum time spent before you can trigger it and only with 3 or less in the group otherwise you'd find yourself warping in to see a vote abandon popup and the potential abuse should you decide not to having just turned up. Maybe even limit an account to using the abandon vote more than 5 times a day.
That is a shame. I have to ask why I've joined SB1 groups that have already bugged?
Cryptic need badly to go over old ques from Dyson day... and even some newer Tzenkathi / Lukari ones. And either shorten them so they are not 20+ min long due to timers.... or increase their rewards to match.
I have stuck around and done stupid things like the breech and the spire and the intolerable Tzenkathi black hole map.... still I get why people would warp on that stuff. Its two long and the rewards hardly match. Cryptic needs to realize that the majority of people doing random are doing so for the extra rewards ONLY. In such cases yes they are very likely going to bail on the breech, spire and will full on AFK (or partially AFK) stupid maps like Azure which although fun on the surface after awhile you realize there is no reason to bother playing it. Reward at the end is the same and it takes the same 15 min no matter how hard you hit it.
On the bright side of the Cluster that the randoms have mostly been imo. Hopefully this is insentive for Cryptic to spend a bit of time updating a bunch of those older ques. The hard timers are terrible, some need some polish in terms of geomotry (spire), and rewards for things like the vault and breech should be looked at. (My suggestion is not changing the old rewards and just adding a secondary 50-75 mark choice box to the older 20 min ques regardless of Random play or not)
That's not really a leaver problem, not to me anyway. Problems happen and if a person leaves unwillingly, leavers to me are those who leave intentionally and knowingly.
So I couldn't Queue up for the next half hour. Big deal. Because DOffing. Admiralty. Foundry. Mission replay. Fleet Projects. Dil Mining. etc...
Leaver Penalties and AFK Penalties have never been a big threat to me. Make them as draconian as you wish, I don't care. But in your zealotry to "punish those who do not conform to the accepted norms", be advised I have the ultimate penalty. I can take the US $100.00 per month I spend on this game somewhere else. Pretty certain I'm not the only guy who thinks this way. Equally sure I'm just posting what A LOT of other people who do the same thing are thinking this as well. There may be enough of us to permanently cripple this game and make it go offline. Now whatcha gonna do?
Does this mean I'm looking for reasons to Leave or go AFK? Nope. Not at all. Even on STFs, excuse me, TFOs I've never played before, I am going to be That Guy Who Is A Reliable Team Member Who Contributes. But last night it was obvious ten minutes into the final fight only two of us knew what was supposed to be done. I stuck around another ten minutes because I'm stubborn and want to believe the best of my fellow STO gamers.
Like most of us, my free time is limited and very precious. By imposing blocks on me because I don't play exactly the way you do, all you're really doing in the long run is strongly encouraging me to stop playing STO permanently. Please think carefully about this. I have other ways to get my daily Star Trek fix which do not require me to login to STO. If enough people like myself stop playing, the game dies.
Impose penalties for bad behavior, yes. Make these penalties severe enough to strongly discourage bad behavior, yes. But imposing the death penalty for jaywalking is a really dumb idea which shows the person suggesting it has no clue as to how people think and act.
Not threatening anyone here. At 56yo, I've no reason to do so. Just stating the obvious. But if you decide to do something which makes me leave, then I'll leave and you will not ever hear from me again. Along with that US $100.00 I spend here every month.