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It is now more difficult to find, join and play many queues, not easier
pottsey5g
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With the removal of estimated start time and how many people are queued up it is now much harder to play queues which do not draw from random. Yes I am aware those where never 100% accurate but I relayed on them to pick which queues to run. Especially for those of us that play any Elite or normal/advanced queues made up for 6+ captains. For those queues it is now impossible to see which are active and to choose to join in with them.
For example when people are queued up for Bug Hunt Elite or Dranuur Beach Assault I can no longer see that and join in. Which means less queues being played and more time wasted trying to get into queues due to them failing to start.
This change has all but killed the queue system for me as I have been unable to get into a single queue of my choice since this expansion. I used to be able to see what was active, pick a queue and drop right in. Now that doesn’t work and just like I feared from the Tribble testing I am sitting here wasting time picking queues and not getting them to start.
In short due to the changes I can no longer quickly play the queues I enjoy playing. The devs have just made it more difficult to find and join many queues, not easier. Unless this is changed I will be running less queues not more.
EDIT: Another way to look at is we used to be able to play sparsely played queues by being able to play them when other people are interested. Now when other people are interested and they are not part of random we cannot join in and so those sparsely played queues get played even less. The very opposite to what this feature is designed to do.
For example when people are queued up for Bug Hunt Elite or Dranuur Beach Assault I can no longer see that and join in. Which means less queues being played and more time wasted trying to get into queues due to them failing to start.
This change has all but killed the queue system for me as I have been unable to get into a single queue of my choice since this expansion. I used to be able to see what was active, pick a queue and drop right in. Now that doesn’t work and just like I feared from the Tribble testing I am sitting here wasting time picking queues and not getting them to start.
In short due to the changes I can no longer quickly play the queues I enjoy playing. The devs have just made it more difficult to find and join many queues, not easier. Unless this is changed I will be running less queues not more.
EDIT: Another way to look at is we used to be able to play sparsely played queues by being able to play them when other people are interested. Now when other people are interested and they are not part of random we cannot join in and so those sparsely played queues get played even less. The very opposite to what this feature is designed to do.
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I'm completely stunned - this new season/expansion/update/whatever was their perfect opportunity to bring new life into the game, but they completely blew their chances. The devs have been offered advice how to actually fix the queue problems so many times, approaching from so different angles. Yet, they decide (as always) that they are smarter than their players and make the already horrible situation even worse.
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I used to log in and see if my favourite queues were likely to pop, as i could see how many people were waiting in each one and join up. Or i could see if i could drum up support for a queue if it was only a couple of guys in it to start.
Now though i cannot see any info about who is playing what at all, which means i can't tell if it'll be 10 seconds or an hours until a queue pops for me. The result.....I just can't be bothered queuing anymore.
The random TFO's are likely to pop more often assuming people play them but I like to pick my favorite content because i enjoy it. I don't care for rewards, the mission itself is my main draw. But now i can no longer enjoy this aspect of the game.
I really do not see why you needed to remove the "Queued" column from the UI. If you are afraid it gives the wrong impression to players, showing how dead the queues are then might i suggest something? DO SOMETHING TO GET PEOPLE PLAYING THEM!
Not just a "random" button, that is a really half arsed fix guys. Actually fix the queues and look at why people don't run them,
I created a poll here that shows a good few reasons why people don't like the queues. @tunebreaker created a massive thread that has hundreds of replies discussing ideas to fix the queues.
For the love of Spock's beard will you just listen to the players for once before you drive the game over the cliff it's racing towards.
Right now, I think this shows what it looks like you're doing:
PSA: You can choose random queue or (in my case more preferably) you can choose the queue you want. If that queue qualifies for RTFO system, randoms will autofill with you. In my case, as I said, I chose DRSA. It popped in literally 2 seconds. That has never happened ever. So I'm quite liking this system already.
EDIT: Since there ARE queues that don't qualify for the random system, the obvious next step is for the devs to change those queues so that they will work smoothly with the new random system.
The only change I spotted from that was a reduction in people playing queues. Again the opposite to what was intended.
No it’s not as its causing a large amount of queues to be played less. many queues that used to be sparsely played are now all but dead as players cannot see and join in. Many players like myself are finding ourselves playing less queues not by choice but because we cannot get into the queues we used to play.
Try and pick an Elite queue or a queue that requires 6+ people. Those queues are now often much harder to play. This change has all but killed running Elite queues for me.
I've spent more time with my main toon looking at the queue screen than playing any content.
ANY change is better than what we had. How people can whine about not being able to run the same red alerts over and over and over and over again.....it's insanity.
The trick is - everyone that queues up for the randoms is someone that is implicitly also queued up for your favorite Queue.
If you're the only one thats want to play the Herald Sphere - it doesn't matter how many specifically queued up for that, because there are 9 people in the random TFO, and 4 of them will be send to fill up your queue.
At least that's the idea.
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> ANY change is better than what we had. How people can whine about not being able to run the same red alerts over and over and over and over again.....it's insanity.
He is talking about Elites. And queues with larger numbers of players needed. That is the stuff he likes.
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All of the queues popped fairly quickly so I have no complaint here. For tonight at least I'm glad of the new random system.
That said, I do miss the queue times and number queued, though I can see how that might be technically difficult to display with a random function involved.
Yes they have made one group of missions easier to play but they have made another group far harder to play for no good reason. There is no reason why they cannot undo UI change for Elites and 6+ players normal/advanced leaving us with the best of both worlds.
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Third ground... and painful
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My reaction good. Done for awhile.
This system is an abomination. Give me a choice to at least skip ground. 99% of the players don't know how to do them or worse. I have nothing against ground, if people love it so much give them the option to only run ground.
I really can't understand why the random choice que doesn't have a simple ground/space option. Rewards are fine, in fact rewards are great. I would gladly random space ques all day long. But forcing me to endure ground in this game.... no thanks. If I wanted to play ground there are better options elsewhere. Space is the only thing unique and worthwhile IMO (I get lots of people love ground)... give me the option to stick at least to generally what I like.
Obviously RTFO for elites would be a bad idea. Elite is one of the few parts of the game where having the proper traits, spec trees, skill is 100% necessary making a random system of queuing pretty much impossible to complete without failure. At least when pugging, you know which queue you are getting and can set yourself up properly.
In the past, people have suggested having a rotating system that gave bonus awards for queues that rarely pop. Perhaps such a system or something similar could be implemented ONLY for elite queues. Bonus awards would be similar like choice mark boxes to accompany the normal awards. Maybe weekend vouchers or something similar. Maybe even phoenix packs. What do you think?
That kind of info only would get interesting again if close to just a handful of players in sum are around at all to play public PvE.
It is correct that the new UI is still a downgrade for elite as it is not included for RTFO but I think most tend to them in private anyway.
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wait for a few months and say that again. don't be so quick to jump on it like the op is wrong before it has had a chance to show if it works or not.
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