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[PC] The Stats of the Europa Class!

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Starfleet is resurrecting the Star Trek: Discovery-era ship, the Nimitz, as the brand new Europa for the 25th Century! Find out what she can do under your command:

https://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/11007803
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  • nommo#5819 nommo Member Posts: 1,105 Arc User
    As I stated under the 'Introducing the Europa Class' thread: "Luke warm at best for me. It looks fine, but statistics matter most & just not inspiring me to purchase."

    The design seems mostly reused assets with some refinement polish on a few pieces looking nice. The stats look solid too mostly. Inferior consoles deployment for my liking though, I would've preferred 4T 4E 3S, & the special console after reading about the negatives with the active ability doesn't create enthusiasm for me despite the nice passives. The Trait sounds good though & I like the group benefit aspect. I wish Cryptic would have more of that group dynamic focus on things. I'll probably pass since the best part is it looks good & it doesn't really add anything out of the ordinary or new imho.
  • seaofsorrowsseaofsorrows Member Posts: 10,918 Arc User
    edited October 2018
    Umm..

    "Battlecruiser-class vessel" with 2 Tactical Consoles?

    Really?

    Don't get me wrong.. it's a great looking ship. As always, the Art department knocked it out of the park.. but wow. 2 Tactical Consoles on a Battle Cruiser just makes no sense to me. The ships layout is incredibly inconsistent with it's intended purpose.
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  • neppakyoneppakyo Member Posts: 245 Arc User
    Decent looking ship for a fed, but utter TRIBBLE layout overall for a BC, not even the non DPS casual will enjoy this. Horrid turn rate as well. Bad ship from a dev that "understands" dps.

    Guess it goes with the theme of discovery, as its TRIBBLE Star Trek.
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  • leemwatsonleemwatson Member Posts: 5,331 Arc User
    Umm..

    "Battlecruiser-class vessel" with 2 Tactical Consoles?

    Really?

    Don't get me wrong.. it's a great looking ship. As always, the Art department knocked it out of the park.. but wow. 2 Tactical Consoles on a Battle Cruiser just makes no sense to me. The ships layout is incredibly inconsistent with it's intended purpose.

    The Fleet version does have 3 Tac consoles.
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  • themadprofessor#9835 themadprofessor Member Posts: 1,203 Arc User
    > @leemwatson said:
    > seaofsorrows wrote: »
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    > Umm..
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    > "Battlecruiser-class vessel" with 2 Tactical Consoles?
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    > Really?
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    > Don't get me wrong.. it's a great looking ship. As always, the Art department knocked it out of the park.. but wow. 2 Tactical Consoles on a Battle Cruiser just makes no sense to me. The ships layout is incredibly inconsistent with it's intended purpose.
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    > The Fleet version does have 3 Tac consoles.

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  • iamynaughtiamynaught Member Posts: 1,285 Arc User
    Looks nice, not likely to buy it. I'm a looks first, stats second type person, but even *I* have to look at those 2 Tac consoles and say "Nope". A 4 Eng, 3 Sci and 3 Tac layout would have been much better and probably would have gotten me to buy it.

    I personally don't try for super DPS (or probably even above average, TBH), but seeing only 2 Tac consoles means that those long fights I normally have will be even longer with this ship. You only get past content by blowing stuff up and the quicker the better. This is in the ballpark, but it's way up there in the cheap seats.

    Again, nice looking ships with the old and new skins for it, but I just cannot see myself buying something that will make me frustrated later on.
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  • nejdinenejdine Member Posts: 47 Arc User
    I'm on the market for a new ship. The Intel Assault Cruiser is at top spot on my list now, but this seems pretty nice too. However, i wonder if a Cardenas class possibly are on the tables to be released? That's one sexy beast!
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  • fewzzfewzz Member Posts: 242 Arc User
    Been waiting for a T6 Heavy, love the 4 nacelles ones, but this is meh, stats suck sorry
  • rickpaaarickpaaa Member Posts: 637 Arc User
    I almost planned on buying Zen, then I saw the console layout.
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  • questeriusquesterius Member Posts: 8,301 Arc User
    A Nimitz Class, not being a carrier or carrying fighter...
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  • seaofsorrowsseaofsorrows Member Posts: 10,918 Arc User
    nejdine wrote: »
    I'm on the market for a new ship. The Intel Assault Cruiser is at top spot on my list now, but this seems pretty nice too. However, i wonder if a Cardenas class possibly are on the tables to be released? That's one sexy beast!
    http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/USS_Yeager_(NCC-1437)
    Please, if it is coming, let it be on Zstore!

    The Intel Assault Cruiser is awesome.. just FYI. I think it's one of the most fun cruisers to fly, handles like a dream.

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  • ak255ak255 Member Posts: 317 Arc User
    edited October 2018
    The hell you mean 2 tactical console slots and you call it a BATTLEcruiser!? What, just the fact that it has a 5 for, 3 aft weapons layout with a terrible turn-rate automatically makes it a "Battlecruiser"?
  • blitzy4blitzy4 Member Posts: 839 Arc User
    Such a shame, really nice looking, but weird stats, and command, again.... I have so many command ships.
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  • antonine3258antonine3258 Member Posts: 2,391 Arc User
    edited October 2018
    That is the least battley, lumbering battlecruiser I've ever seen.

    Actually, I checked, this has the same turn rate, base console layout, and inertia rating of the T5 star cruiser (has one more engineering console).

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  • tremalidurtremalidur Member Posts: 5 Arc User
    If the Constellation class skin is interchangeable I might be interested.
  • burstorionburstorion Member Posts: 1,750 Arc User
    edited October 2018
    ...is this the T5 Bortasqu moment for the feds, where they get such a horribad ship they refused to buy it and so in a fit of rage at the ship not being lapped up, the powers that be ensure they get very few ships for the next few years?

    Yeah, I doubt it.

    Still, knowing Cryptic, it'll get a hangar in a few maintenences time - To be honest with the design and description in the prestat blog, I almost expected it to be a carrier battlecruiser with the two tac consoles as a way to mitigate opness at having more fore weapons

  • lordsteve1lordsteve1 Member Posts: 3,492 Arc User
    That's a wonderful looking ship model but the stats are dire.

    Why call it a battlecruiser with only 2(3) tac consoles? And it can mount cannons but turns like a whale as well. And the locked Ens Engineering seat kinda locks you out of a lot of flexibility that might have made it more appealing.

    Honestly, i'm disappointed. I was definitely going to buy this but now its a no from me having thought over those stats.
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  • gulremalgulremal Member Posts: 153 Arc User
    edited October 2018
    The console isn't ship specific though (it can be used on the other ships with the better console layouts). C-store version should swap tac and sci console setup, and probably sacrifice some hull points for at least 2 points upgrade in turn rate.
    Unless there are some serious changes in the game mechanics for space combat, DPS is still more important than tanking - enemy ships that are dead sooner deal less damage overall and therefore there is less need to tank.
  • asadir#3274 asadir Member Posts: 19 Arc User
    Cryptic is determined to continue to disappoint in every facet of the game.First red alerts ,now this ship that is worse than a t5 ship and im not going to pay 3000zen on a console . Keep it up Cryptic at at least you're consistent.
  • redvengeredvenge Member Posts: 1,425 Arc User
    "At least she's not the Nimitz" - Captain of the Resolute
    sophlogimo wrote: »
    Have you thought about the implications of the console?
    Yes. It is a clicky console with a 1 to 2 minute cooldown that is not functionally better than the Lukari console you can put on any ship.
  • phoenix841phoenix841 Member Posts: 486 Arc User
    A console from a T6 ship equippable on any ship? That's a rare item.
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  • fewzzfewzz Member Posts: 242 Arc User
    Disco STO tomorrow is already a letdown, rubbish starter pack with a max T4 ship, no good to me, and a T6 good looking Nimitz thats utter rubbish stat-wise, was gonna spend a bit (even the lockbox is TRIBBLE), guess im gonna save loadsa mooooooney.
  • lordbeefy7lordbeefy7 Member Posts: 169 Arc User
    well its a gorgeous model aesthetically and I am sorely tempted on the look of it alone, however the console layout is so lacklustre that it really puts it out of my gameplans.

    BC with 2 tactical...wtheck>?? i thought that bc were hybrid vessels, a cross between the speed and agility of cruisers coupled with the firepower of a bs...why then this....its more a heavy cruiser than a bc. the fleet variant gets the third tac console granted which is an assistance, but even so, id then have to buy the cstore for the console/trait then a fleet module to get the third tac console....hmmm, really making this a hard sell there cryptic.
  • avoozuulavoozuul Member Posts: 3,196 Arc User
    Umm..

    "Battlecruiser-class vessel" with 2 Tactical Consoles?
    Well to be fair the Malon Battlecruiser only has 2.

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