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Star Trek Discovery is going to be sued for Plagiarism
lordgyor
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https://youtu.be/UiWWQ22EnZ8I think this is serious then some of the other stuff Midnights edge says, they've been in contact with the man in question, and it seems clear they ripped the guy off.
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The problem is that while there are some differences in the way the drive works from the game, there are also some rather eerie similarities with certain aspects of it, such as the effects. That whole blue with white dot effect that the developer mentioned for example. That isn't even getting into the weirdly similar character designs. There are too many similarities for cbs to try to claim its entirely coincidental. Being inspired by another design is one thing, being too on the nose about it is something else entirely, thats where it becomes plagiarism, and plagiarism is no joke in court. He has a much better case than you seem to be giving him credit for
The simple fact is, there are too many similarities to claim its outright coincidence. cbs is going to have to explain those similarities sooner or later. This is a prime example of why even many writers for previous star trek series have made statements about why they do not and were not allowed to read third party fan fictions when they were working on their shows - because if they did and any similarities came up they could legitimately claim it was a coincidence. That is very difficult to do if its public knowledge that you are reading things other people came up with and something similar suddenly shows up in an episode
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....likely something along the lines of kirk getting involved with so many different women that a thousand years later everybody is related to him in some way, kind of like charlemagne in europe or genghis khan in asia
and your point is? the developer isn't talking about the concept, he's talking about the way cbs implemented it in discovery. Its not even debatable that whats going on here is questionable at best. I'll say it again, its one thing to take inspiration from an idea that someone else came up with, its another entirely to implement it in a way that looks eerily similar to that persons idea, which clearly cbs did. Hell the effects used for the tardigrade drive alone are suspiciously similar. At a bare minimum cbs has some explaining to do as to where these ideas came from and why they are so similar. Even minor plagiarism can get you in serious trouble in many fields and industries. If they've done that in any capacity and monetized it, they owe the developer
Which has absolutely no bearing on the facts of the situation or cbs's actions. Whats that saying about a broken clock being right twice a day
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Discovery:
Discovery again, but no Tardigrade Involvement
I figure if you made them green, it would look too much like something "natural", and if you made them red, it would look evil.
Yeah it's super obvious d?Discovery blatantly ripped this guys ideas off, no way is that a coincidence, we agree on that, but I don't support all the irrational hate against midnights edge, what is up with that?
I mean seriously... pause the vid in the OP at 0:18. That blue particle effect has been used in star Trek so many times prior to Discovery that trying to claim the Discovery team got it from him is preposterous, the reverse is more likely true.
0:31 the only similarity between Yolanda and Burnham is their skin tone. Seriously, read the bio for Yolanda... absolutely no similarity.
and so on and so forth. all similarities are trivial and superficial.
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You also have to consider timetables. How long was Discovery already in development when this guy released what he had? Pretty sure quite a while.
Case dismissed with prejudice.
It's not exactly an unknown visual effect - and given the graphical level of dude's game, that's about as sophisticated an effect as he could manage anyway.
As I said earlier... dismissed with prejudice.
1: terrible, 2: nothing like Discovery.
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This guys legal complaint reads like a bad comedy and he is not going to get what he's asking for.
Also he's not suing the right people, and is missing out one key player.
Its a load of TRIBBLE and he just wants attention.
Plus midnights edge hahahaha it's like saying unicorns exsist.
An Indie developer vs a large, established corporation...
ROFL he hasn't got a leg to stand on, also he has a power loader from Aliens in the trailer which I think WOULD be plagiarism.
Edit: Isnt this a cunning necropost of this from October 2017? https://www.arcgames.com/en/forums/startrekonline#/discussion/1235539/well-looks-like-the-producers-of-TRIBBLE-have-some-serious-explaining-to-do/p1
That being said, "Tardigrades" at least looks fine. I think it's laughable people have to dogpile the developer side-by-side with CBS and criticize "terrible" visuals. This is hand-drawn, 2D Point and Click with cutscenes almost resembling rotoscoped games like Flashback. This is a squealing fine - and a dungload of - work and not dismissed easily. Stay real and don't get all emotionally defensive, credit where credit is due. But again, I don't see the case either.
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It was also released July, 2017; the same month CBS debuted the extended Discovery trailer which included scenes involving the Tardigrade.
Also, if you look at the development thread for the game, this trailer has little to do with most of what's been shown for said game (I did a little research when this came up in the main Age of Discovery thread.) It should be noted that:
Now to do all this as an indie project is a technical accomplishment (though it remains to be seen whether the dev is building a coherent narrative, realizing characters, and coupling that to a complimentary tone; there's been very little dialog posted) but there's still no getting around the fact that this is derivative work. In detail, it doesn't resemble Discovery and any vague similarities either follow from convergent evolution (placing Tardigrades as a pop-science stand-in for alien life [following notable NASA experiments and evangelization by Tyson in Cosmos 2.0), because look at the thing) or genre trends and archetypes (with the Tardigrades game sticking to them and Discovery [in the case of characters] subverting them].)
I don't blame the dev in this, because from comments I've seen he's been surrounded by an echo chamber that's bought into the "CBS stole your work" narrative (without checking the precise dates) and that's a very unusual place to find yourself in while working on a project like this. I do blame those who publicized the issue without doing due diligence in research, they've "taken the side" of an indie dev and tacitly encouraged a lawsuit without appreciating, in full, what that is objectively up against simply to fulfill a dramatic narrative. Win or lose, they're entertained.
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I really feel for the developer. It seems that a group of discovery haters have found a avenue for them to try to get discovery cancelled and are just using the developer for their own mad plans.
Its a point and click adventure, I used to love those (Even the somewhat odd star trek ones)
Ain't gonna happen.
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