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I wonder how the new post-TNG series will effect STO's story?

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  • lordgyorlordgyor Member Posts: 2,820 Arc User
    > @somtaawkhar said:
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    > Which is pretty solidly contradicted in the DSC pilot.
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    > 100% incorrect. The cloak used in Discovery is a different kind of cloak all together, which the Federation beat. Between Discovery and ToS the Klingons got the Romulan cloak, which isn't beatable the same way, and is why the Federation was surprised as the Klingons having cloaks in TOS.
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    > Jarok was talking about that cloak, not the Discovery era cloak. Two entirely different technologies.

    Exactly.
  • nimbullnimbull Member Posts: 1,564 Arc User
    edited August 2018
    artan42 wrote: »
    nimbull wrote: »
    I would laugh if the new series tied in to STO a little where Picard would be on ESD and there would be a whole bunch of captains/admirals running around in the background exactly like ESD in game and he's quip something like, "To many damn Admirals and not enough ensigns." or something. Could even have one background guy in a sparkling unicorn outfit or something.

    I'd love even more if they used that to justify knocking us all down to Captain where we belong. Let fleet owners call themselves Fleet Captains if they like, and give lifetime subscribers a gold name and rank of "Star Captain" with a technical 1-star rank but functionally the same as the rest of us. The crazy ranks need to stop!

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  • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
    lordgyor wrote: »
    > @somtaawkhar said:
    > starswordc wrote: »
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    > Which is pretty solidly contradicted in the DSC pilot.
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    > 100% incorrect. The cloak used in Discovery is a different kind of cloak all together, which the Federation beat. Between Discovery and ToS the Klingons got the Romulan cloak, which isn't beatable the same way, and is why the Federation was surprised as the Klingons having cloaks in TOS.
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    > Jarok was talking about that cloak, not the Discovery era cloak. Two entirely different technologies.

    Exactly.

    100% incorrect. Random guesswork based on wishful thinking.

    The Federation being surprised by Klingons having cloaks in TOS has simply been retconed now DSC has shown that T'Kuvma gave the Empire cloaks about a decade prior to TOS.

    Unless you have an exact timestamp to the part in tOS where Spock tells Kirk that these cloaks are not the cloaks the Federation beat earlier and are in fact brand new ones and it's so surprising they've got them despite already possessing the same technology.

    Stop inserting you own fanfiction into canon.​​
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  • ichaerus1ichaerus1 Member Posts: 986 Arc User
    neoakiraii wrote: »
    No video game has ever been canon so who cares

    Voyager didn't impact elite force, DS9 didn't hurt the Fallen....STO will be it's own thing like those games were, STO might add stuff from the new show if they can whatever ships and uniforms and tweak stuff like they've done but I don't see them changing everything again for this

    Not for Star Trek's universe, true. But I can name two that are canon for other universes. The Chronicles of Riddick: Butcher's Bay, and The Darkness.
  • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
    artan42 wrote: »
    Stop inserting you own fanfiction into canon.
    Whats fanfiction is suggesting that two devices, which are shown to work in totally different methods, are somehow the same device.

    Okay, provide the schematics that show they work differently please.​​
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  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,008 Arc User
    Well, technically there are pointers. They call it by a different name, it looks and sounds different. The latter however is difficult since almost everything in DSC looks and sounds different. I personally would go with a different tech simply because I take that over retconning (Anything. Retcons are terrible. You either work with what you got, no matter how silly, or you go someplace else).
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  • starswordcstarswordc Member Posts: 10,963 Arc User
    edited August 2018
    > @angrytarg said:
    > Well, technically there are pointers. They call it by a different name, it looks and sounds different. The latter however is difficult since almost everything in DSC looks and sounds different. I personally would go with a different tech simply because I take that over retconning (Anything. Retcons are terrible. You either work with what you got, no matter how silly, or you go someplace else).

    That isn't even a retcon, Targ, it's NEVER said that the Federation is surprised about the Klingons having cloaking devices in Search for Spock (the first time they turn up with one, as a consequence of changing the bird-of-prey from a Romulan ship to a Klingon ship during production). Ditto the notion that the Klingons stole cloaking devices from the Romulans (unsupported fanon used by STO and now contradicted), AND the notion that they stole warp drive from the Hur'q while I'm at it (that idea originated from the Klingon Academy video game and, while not contradicted by canon, has no direct support either).
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  • evilmark444evilmark444 Member Posts: 6,951 Arc User
    One of three things will happen:

    1) They somehow acknowledge future events from STO, thereby canonizing it to an extent.
    2) They outright contradict STO, confirming once and for all that it's a non-canon alternate universe.
    3) They leave it ambiguous by neither acknowledging nor contradicting it.
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  • redvengeredvenge Member Posts: 1,425 Arc User
    starswordc wrote: »
    That isn't even a retcon, Targ, it's NEVER said that the Federation is surprised about the Klingons having cloaking devices in Search for Spock
    They were not surprised that Klingons had crabs glued to their foreheads either, which was also not a thing until the previous movie.
    starswordc wrote: »
    Ditto the notion that the Klingons stole cloaking devices from the Romulans (unsupported fanon used by STO and now contradicted),
    So? Where did the Nu Klingons get THEIR cloaking device, since it was not the Romulans?
    starswordc wrote: »
    AND the notion that they stole warp drive from the Hur'q while I'm at it (that idea originated from the Klingon Academy video game and, while not contradicted by canon, has no direct support either).
    You expect me to believe these science-hating savages developed it on their own? "Klingon science" is the punchline of a joke, not something one considers seriously.

    Klingons twirl their mustache and steal their technology from others. This is known.
  • meimeitoomeimeitoo Member Posts: 12,594 Arc User
    redvenge wrote: »
    You expect me to believe these science-hating savages developed it on their own? "Klingon science" is the punchline of a joke, not something one considers seriously.


    Sure, Klingon Science is a real thing.... properly cooked. :wink: (sorry, that was a little pak'ma'ra humor).
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  • talonxvtalonxv Member Posts: 4,257 Arc User
    > @valoreah said:
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    > Speak for yourself. I'm an admiral and I deserve it. I've saved the galaxy several times over.​​
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    > Same here, although I really wish the game would allow for our Captains to be addressed by the rank we choose.

    That would be too damn easy.
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  • jonsillsjonsills Member Posts: 10,460 Arc User
    Klingon science certainly seems to be adequate to keep up with developments in the military science of their competitors. And no science exists in isolation - an advance in any field will inevitably lead to advances in many fields. (For instance, new encryption technologies developed during the Second World War led to better ways of directing remote-control torpedoes, and thence in a fairly direct line to the development of modern cell phones, which then hybridized with the miniaturization technologies developed for the space program to give us smartphones - essentially pocket-sized supercomputers connected in a planetary web of information. The fact that we use that tech to trade pictures of celebrities and get into arguments with strangers doesn't negate the value of the tech.)
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  • starswordcstarswordc Member Posts: 10,963 Arc User
    edited August 2018
    redvenge wrote: »
    starswordc wrote: »
    That isn't even a retcon, Targ, it's NEVER said that the Federation is surprised about the Klingons having cloaking devices in Search for Spock
    They were not surprised that Klingons had crabs glued to their foreheads either, which was also not a thing until the previous movie.
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    redvenge wrote: »
    starswordc wrote: »
    Ditto the notion that the Klingons stole cloaking devices from the Romulans (unsupported fanon used by STO and now contradicted),
    So? Where did the Nu Klingons get THEIR cloaking device, since it was not the Romulans?
    Absent explicit contradiction? They built it using a little thing called the scientific method, just like the Romulans did.
    redvenge wrote: »
    starswordc wrote: »
    AND the notion that they stole warp drive from the Hur'q while I'm at it (that idea originated from the Klingon Academy video game and, while not contradicted by canon, has no direct support either).
    You expect me to believe these science-hating savages developed it on their own? "Klingon science" is the punchline of a joke, not something one considers seriously.

    Klingons twirl their mustache and steal their technology from others. This is known.

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    The Klingons may disrespect scientists nowadays, but some of them had to have understood it at some point or else they'd still be confined to Qo'noS.
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  • legendarylycan#5411 legendarylycan Member Posts: 37,284 Arc User
    as i recall, no one TODAY can replicate damascus steel exactly as it was in ancient times - not even the syrians themselves...yet another thing lost to history

    not that it matters, since titanium is way stronger anyway​​
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  • sennahcheribsennahcherib Member Posts: 2,823 Arc User
    sad news, not about a new star trek show, but Picard oh! nooooo. Picard is the character that I hate the most in star trek. boring, crybaby, and too many blabla. TNG-2, bah! no thx.
  • starswordcstarswordc Member Posts: 10,963 Arc User
    sad news, not about a new star trek show, but Picard oh! nooooo. Picard is the character that I hate the most in star trek. boring, crybaby, and too many blabla. TNG-2, bah! no thx.

    TNG-5, actually, the others being VOY, ENT, and The Orville. >:)
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  • crypticarmsmancrypticarmsman Member Posts: 4,115 Arc User
    Today's big announcement is that Sir Pat-Stew is coming back to do a new Picard series. Since this is obviously set post-TNG, how do you think this will effect the storyline STO has already made for itself? If the show writers decide to go in a completely different direction, will this game's story be changed to mesh with canon or left in conflict?

    Considering (by comments bu Mr. Stewart himself) that it's 20 years post-ST:Nemesis<--- that would place it in 2399 (the turn of the 25th century); and given STO STARTS in 2409 (tens years after that) - I would say the series will have virtually no effect on STO's storyline. They may recon some stuff in the whole 'Run up to 2409' pre-story, but overall, I'd say it's a moot point.
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  • faxmachine#9639 faxmachine Member Posts: 120 Arc User
    Today's big announcement is that Sir Pat-Stew is coming back to do a new Picard series. Since this is obviously set post-TNG, how do you think this will effect the storyline STO has already made for itself? If the show writers decide to go in a completely different direction, will this game's story be changed to mesh with canon or left in conflict?

    Considering (by comments bu Mr. Stewart himself) that it's 20 years post-ST:Nemesis<--- that would place it in 2399 (the turn of the 25th century); and given STO STARTS in 2409 (tens years after that) - I would say the series will have virtually no effect on STO's storyline. They may recon some stuff in the whole 'Run up to 2409' pre-story, but overall, I'd say it's a moot point.

    WTH are you talking about? Just one thing, like Geordi dying, would invaldate all of the Geordi appearances in STO. And considering how giddy the devs are about having Trek actors in game, they aren't about to remove a Trek actor from their missions. There are dozens of ways something that happens in a show 10 years before STO could completely TRIBBLE up STO's story. On the other hand of they just say "TRIBBLE it, we are just our own parallel universe" then it doesn't even matter.
  • crypticarmsmancrypticarmsman Member Posts: 4,115 Arc User
    edited August 2018
    Today's big announcement is that Sir Pat-Stew is coming back to do a new Picard series. Since this is obviously set post-TNG, how do you think this will effect the storyline STO has already made for itself? If the show writers decide to go in a completely different direction, will this game's story be changed to mesh with canon or left in conflict?

    Considering (by comments bu Mr. Stewart himself) that it's 20 years post-ST:Nemesis<--- that would place it in 2399 (the turn of the 25th century); and given STO STARTS in 2409 (tens years after that) - I would say the series will have virtually no effect on STO's storyline. They may recon some stuff in the whole 'Run up to 2409' pre-story, but overall, I'd say it's a moot point.

    WTH are you talking about? Just one thing, like Geordi dying, would invaldate all of the Geordi appearances in STO. And considering how giddy the devs are about having Trek actors in game, they aren't about to remove a Trek actor from their missions. There are dozens of ways something that happens in a show 10 years before STO could completely **** up STO's story. On the other hand of they just say "**** it, we are just our own parallel universe" then it doesn't even matter.

    Earth blowing up would affect it too, I suppose, but lets get back to the type of thing they probably WILL write; which is Picard dealing with the personal issue of getting older. Again, I don't see them making a series that has Galactic repercussions. This is a small series set around one character.

    And given what CBS is doing in conjuction with Cryptic for STO, I douibt they're going to be sitting in the Picard series writing room going: "Hey, how can we TRIBBLE off people, or affect the franchise negatively."
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  • mirrorchaosmirrorchaos Member Posts: 9,844 Arc User
    mrspidey2 wrote: »
    I guess the Path to 2409 will have to be rewritten...

    rewritten? hah. assuming the new trek series comes through and wows us for 7 seasons, the chances are that Cryptic's path to power and episodic content are going to be altered in ways that would be considered too much, especially if the new series puts one or two of our fan favorites to the axe on the official canon source.

    say for example that Picard mentions that The B4 droid manage to unload the data and bring back Data, but Data is destroyed a few months later when it gave its life to protect many people, ending the soong android line for good as no one wanted to bring lore back and was since disassembled to learn more about the androids in a hopes of replicating them.

    Another three examples: Worf was murdered in a tournement match on Qo'Nos and it was determined the Romulans wanted him dead and used the House of Duras to complete the assassination. Martok followed soon after when he started getting close to the truth. Sela never managed to make it past commander and was imprisoned because she badly botched a mission on Qo'Nos and was exposed helping Duras, Again. She is rotting away in a Klingon Prison.

    i mean if a few characters like that end up with a completely different path from what is in the path to power, imagine the headache that would cause for cryptic.
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  • yistaanyistaan Member Posts: 13 Arc User
    mrspidey2 wrote: »
    I guess the Path to 2409 will have to be rewritten...

    rewritten? hah. assuming the new trek series comes through and wows us for 7 seasons, the chances are that Cryptic's path to power and episodic content are going to be altered in ways that would be considered too much, especially if the new series puts one or two of our fan favorites to the axe on the official canon source.

    say for example that Picard mentions that The B4 droid manage to unload the data and bring back Data, but Data is destroyed a few months later when it gave its life to protect many people, ending the soong android line for good as no one wanted to bring lore back and was since disassembled to learn more about the androids in a hopes of replicating them.

    Another three examples: Worf was murdered in a tournement match on Qo'Nos and it was determined the Romulans wanted him dead and used the House of Duras to complete the assassination. Martok followed soon after when he started getting close to the truth. Sela never managed to make it past commander and was imprisoned because she badly botched a mission on Qo'Nos and was exposed helping Duras, Again. She is rotting away in a Klingon Prison.

    i mean if a few characters like that end up with a completely different path from what is in the path to power, imagine the headache that would cause for cryptic.

    There's actually a way all of this can be fixed. The missions up till now were an alternate timeline, then your character travels back in time to the new Picard show, rearranges things so that the universe goes on the path set by the Picard show, then travels back to his now changed future that reflects the aftermath of the show.

    The only problem is that the game would then need to know how the show ends. Maybe a better solution would be that your character jumps to the timeframe of the Picard show permanently and stays there, with all missions happening before now in an uncertain future as your presence in Picard's time may have erased it.

    Or maybe Q will just snap a few fingers in STO every so often and the game will continually change to reflect the show...
  • meimeitoomeimeitoo Member Posts: 12,594 Arc User
    And given what CBS is doing in conjuction with Cryptic for STO, I douibt they're going to be sitting in the Picard series writing room going: "Hey, how can we **** off people, or affect the franchise negatively."


    It's all about pecunia, these days. And cashing out in the short term. So, they're not deliberately going to TRIBBLE the franchise, but if a quick buck can be made compromising a bit, here and there, they'll do it in a heartbeat.
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