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  • jam3s1701jam3s1701 Member Posts: 1,825 Arc User

    If potential players do not like that emphasis then they are not really into Star Trek as a whole, they are into TRIBBLE.
    STO is a post-Voyager game and has been since it was released. You just admitted I'm correct by stating that STO has already covered the 23rd Century, so doing so again with what amounts to an expansion for the sole purpose of promoting TRIBBLE is redundant and thus a waste of time. Many of us dislike TRIBBLE for a wide variety of reasons and are not ever going to pay for it no matter how much CBS attempts to force it on us. As I've stated consistently, you Drekkers should be have content from TRIBBLE for your personal use, what should not be in game is anything that is required for character advancement that is connected to TRIBBLE.
    The new content is being advertised as an expansion, not just new content that can be ignored. We've yet to see how invasive this new content will be, but understand that "new" players are not likely to be PAYING players since younger players tend to not have as much money as older players.
    TRIBBLE is now 25 years old. Most fans of Star Trek: Deep Space Nine are probably from back then, so I don't know why you'd say that people attracted by it would be "young".

    And I always thought that DS9 had a rough start, but eventually became the most popular Star Trek series, since it's so much more relevant in its topics to today, and also has some of the more complex story arcs, closer to what modern TV and Streaming television has to offer. It put a more "realistic" spin on the universe, without losing Star Trek's sense of hope in the future. It balanced the Dark with the Light well.

    But I am not sure why we are still talking about TRIBBLE. Victory of Life is "done", the next big thing is Star Trek Discovery. DSC will probably bring in some younger people, but probably also plenty "old" fans whose Star Trek love just got reinvigorated after such a long absence. I have 4 or 5 colleagues around my age that have watched it, and they are mostly middle class basically, so if people like them get into STO as well, they'd have neat disposable income.


    TRIBBLE is not 25 years old nor is it ST:DS9.
    You will not force me, or anyone else to use "DSC" to describe TRIBBLE.

    You do know that TRIBBLE stands for something rather derogatory yeah, so using it to describe Star Trek: Discovery (DSC) is not clever or funny, it is immature at best and insulting at worst.

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  • drakethewhitedrakethewhite Member Posts: 1,240 Arc User
    The main reason you think TOS wasn't making some fairly radical political statements in the 1960ies is because you don't really know (or if you are around my age or older)

    I lived during that time, saw the show as it first aired, and I remember them quite well and the state of the nation quite well thank you. What political statements it made were minor, and being made by other shows at the time as well.

    It was first and foremost timeless stories written by many of sci-fi writers of the period. That changed forever with TNG, but by then it was nothing special. What's hard to find now is something that isn't Political commentary. I don't know about you, but even if I agreed with it, I'd find that boring.
  • tigerariestigeraries Member Posts: 3,482 Arc User
    How many of you are excited for what's coming in the Discovery content coming up? Please explain if you care either way.

    never saw the show so dont care. hopefully one day it will be in syndication and see a re-run.

    from pics, really dislike the new klinks. uniforms etc updated visuals... /shrug I don't mind either way.

    also disliked the "new" klinks in the movies/tng etc... so use to the old brown face paint. got use to the ridges over time. will probably be the same with this new look as well... so long as they keep this look for the next 10 years or so.
  • jam3s1701jam3s1701 Member Posts: 1,825 Arc User
    jam3s1701 wrote: »
    You do know that TRIBBLE stands for something rather derogatory yeah, so using it to describe Star Trek: Discovery (DSC) is not clever or funny, it is immature at best and insulting at worst.

    Yes, in Star Trek, TRIBBLE stands for Star Trek Discovery, nothing more and nothing less. Do not let the haters define what the acronym means. If you do that, then you've already lost the argument.

    erm no it really doesn't,

    TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY, ENT, DSC

    TMP, TWOK, TSFS, TVH, TFF, UDC, GEN, FC, INS, NEM

    none of these have ST in front of them...
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  • drakethewhitedrakethewhite Member Posts: 1,240 Arc User
    edited July 2018

    From TOS - "Balance of Terror":
    STILES: Give it to Spock.
    KIRK: I didn't quite get that, Mister Stiles.
    STILES: Nothing, sir.
    KIRK: Repeat it.
    STILES: I was suggesting that Mister Spock could probably translate it for you, sir.
    KIRK: I assume you're complimenting Mister Spock on his ability to decode.
    STILES: I'm not sure, sir.
    KIRK: Well, here's one thing you can be sure of, Mister. Leave any bigotry in your quarters. There's no room for it on the Bridge. Do I make myself clear?
    STILES: You do, sir.

    I wanted to comment on this specifically because I remember being very confused when it aired as it seemed so out of place with the rest of the first season shows. Especially when Sulu follows it up with the comment about spies being aboard. Spies? What? How did Sulu leap to that? Just because Romulans look like Vulcans?

    Turns out that script changes were behind it. One of the original drafts had the Romulan ship looking like a copy of the Enterprise. This draft was used by Jame Blish in his first novelization of the show: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek_(Bantam_Books)#Episode_novelizations_(1976–78). Some of that draft's dialog appears there.

    So we have in rapid fire:
    1. Romulans attack the outposts
    2. The Romulan ship looks like the Enterprise
    3. And now Romulans look like Vulcans

    And the leap to, holy TRIBBLE- there are Romulan Spies and they stole our ship design and we may have Romulans aboard who are undercover as Vulcans suddenly makes more sense.

    When that element was changed, not all the dialog was change and I guess the makers thought the fact that Romulans looked like Vulcans was enough so that they could keep that story conflict. Dropping it completely would have gutted the script.

    As a side note, they then went and lost the Romulan ship model somehow, and thus had to use D7s when they next appeared in "Enterprise Incident" forcing a Klingon/Romulan arms deal into the storyline. Of such things is canon made.
  • talonxvtalonxv Member Posts: 4,252 Arc User
    > @jonsills said:
    > Talon, please learn to use the quote function. Your multiple > symbols are giving me a headache.
    >
    > If CBS had not enforced their trademark on Star Trek, it would have been weakened severely. We had prolonged discussions about this back when the whole thing went down, but it can be boiled down to this: "Aspirin" was once a trademarked name for acetasalicylic acid tablets manufactured by Bayer. Bayer failed to defend their copyright when other companies packaged their own "Aspirin" tablets, and now the term is generic. (That's why when you purchase kleenex from any company besides Kimberly-Clark, it's labeled "facial tissue" and not "Kleenex", because Kimberly-Clark has a team of attorneys standing by to come down like a ton of tissue paper on anyone violating their trademark.)
    >
    > Also, while the superior acting of the people dragooned into making Prelude To Axanar masked it, the story itself was thin gruel indeed. All you've got is "an impending war". We've seen that before, and done better; making clunky-looking ships with the TOS aesthetic didn't make it a superior product. Nor did invoking Garth of Izar, whose backstory doesn't really need to be explored - he was Kirk's hero when Kirk was at the Academy, then he went nuts, tried to destroy a planet, was confined by his crew, and went to an asylum. That's all we need about him, quite frankly.

    I'm posting from a phone. It does it this way. I'd love to do it from home, but ya know....thing called work. When I get a bit of free time I check forums and such. Sorry. Can't help the website devs do it this way.

    And yes Axanar had some things that were flawed I will give you that. However. Not as flawed as DISC(since people are losing their minds that I use TRIBBLE, and if people can't get I'm digging at Disc, well). Because the list is long and distinguished on the flaws.

    However some changes in the era, say the 2390s or beyond, most of the tech issues I have with the show die instantly. Then it's just story writing issues I have a problem with.
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  • tigerariestigeraries Member Posts: 3,482 Arc User
    jam3s1701 wrote: »
    jam3s1701 wrote: »
    You do know that TRIBBLE stands for something rather derogatory yeah, so using it to describe Star Trek: Discovery (DSC) is not clever or funny, it is immature at best and insulting at worst.

    Yes, in Star Trek, TRIBBLE stands for Star Trek Discovery, nothing more and nothing less. Do not let the haters define what the acronym means. If you do that, then you've already lost the argument.

    erm no it really doesn't,

    TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY, ENT, DSC

    TMP, TWOK, TSFS, TVH, TFF, UDC, GEN, FC, INS, NEM

    none of these have ST in front of them...

    Umm Offical vs Fan...

    we love to abbreviate names... 3 letters is perfect.

    Voyager is VOY cause STV is the movie ST 5
    ENT never liked it cause in canon lore before that show... it never existed. I basically skipped the entire show, never watched a full episode. STE or ENT to me was a /shrug
    TOS... WTF. to me it is always ST. With Picard & crew as NG or TNG.

    to me Discovery is TRIBBLE /shrug I dont hate the show, cause I have never seen it. I dont see it as bad... they could of called the show something else but they choose Discovery... don't even know why... the ship they are on is not called Discovery right?
  • vegeta50024vegeta50024 Member Posts: 2,304 Arc User
    tigeraries wrote: »
    jam3s1701 wrote: »
    jam3s1701 wrote: »
    You do know that TRIBBLE stands for something rather derogatory yeah, so using it to describe Star Trek: Discovery (DSC) is not clever or funny, it is immature at best and insulting at worst.

    Yes, in Star Trek, TRIBBLE stands for Star Trek Discovery, nothing more and nothing less. Do not let the haters define what the acronym means. If you do that, then you've already lost the argument.

    erm no it really doesn't,

    TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY, ENT, DSC

    TMP, TWOK, TSFS, TVH, TFF, UDC, GEN, FC, INS, NEM

    none of these have ST in front of them...

    Umm Offical vs Fan...

    we love to abbreviate names... 3 letters is perfect.

    Voyager is VOY cause STV is the movie ST 5
    ENT never liked it cause in canon lore before that show... it never existed. I basically skipped the entire show, never watched a full episode. STE or ENT to me was a /shrug
    TOS... WTF. to me it is always ST. With Picard & crew as NG or TNG.

    to me Discovery is TRIBBLE /shrug I dont hate the show, cause I have never seen it. I dont see it as bad... they could of called the show something else but they choose Discovery... don't even know why... the ship they are on is not called Discovery right?

    The ship is called Discovery, but we don't get to it until episode 3.

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  • redvengeredvenge Member Posts: 1,425 Arc User
    Yes, in Star Trek, TRIBBLE stands for Star Trek Discovery, nothing more and nothing less. Do not let the haters define what the acronym means. If you do that, then you've already lost the argument.
    Additionally, Brian Fuller originally abbreviated it "TRIBBLE". I prefer to think of myself as a traditionalist. Godspeed Brian, you crazy [email protected]
  • oldravenman3025oldravenman3025 Member Posts: 1,892 Arc User
    angrytarg wrote: »

    Do you have to play the DSC content?

    We do not know as of yet, it depends on how invasive the content will be.
    Hopefully it will just be for the TRIBBLE fans and not be unavoidable content.


    Agreed. I don't like unavoidable content. Nor do I like having to click on a shedload of "Skip" buttons to get to where I want to be (i.e. New Romulus after they locked it into the episode progression).

  • looking forward to it. new era ,new players ...
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  • oldravenman3025oldravenman3025 Member Posts: 1,892 Arc User
    jexsamx wrote: »
    SJWs took over that production destroying everything in an attempt to make a political statement.

    It's an ugly representation of what happens, when politics defines creativity. It's restricted then to ugly statements about modern times... They thought that by making it part of today's political climate...

    I don't know if you realize it or not, but Star Trek has been about making statements about contemporary politics since its inception. TOS and TNG were especially riddled with social and political commentary; DS9, VOY, and ENT had more than a few episodes to that effect as well. DSC did nothing out of the ordinary in trying to make political statements about the modern political climate. You can certainly argue it did it poorly - I wouldn't entirely disagree, either - but you can't say DSC was wrong for doing what Trek has always done.


    Agreed. Classic Trek knew how to do decent social commentary (if a bit too over the top and impossibly utopian on occasion). Modern Trek, on the other hand, is more hamfisted in that regard.

  • starswordcstarswordc Member Posts: 10,951 Arc User
    edited July 2018
    jexsamx wrote: »
    SJWs took over that production destroying everything in an attempt to make a political statement.

    It's an ugly representation of what happens, when politics defines creativity. It's restricted then to ugly statements about modern times... They thought that by making it part of today's political climate...

    I don't know if you realize it or not, but Star Trek has been about making statements about contemporary politics since its inception. TOS and TNG were especially riddled with social and political commentary; DS9, VOY, and ENT had more than a few episodes to that effect as well. DSC did nothing out of the ordinary in trying to make political statements about the modern political climate. You can certainly argue it did it poorly - I wouldn't entirely disagree, either - but you can't say DSC was wrong for doing what Trek has always done.


    Agreed. Classic Trek knew how to do decent social commentary (if a bit too over the top and impossibly utopian on occasion). Modern Trek, on the other hand, is more hamfisted in that regard.

    Ahem. "Let That Be Your Last Battlefield" anyone? It's about as subtle about its anti-racism message as an anvil to the face. Ditto any other time Kirk started lecturing the alien of the week.

    And there's often a good reason for that. True story: the mayor of San Francisco (IIRC) actually proposed something very much like the Sanctuary Districts in "Past Tense" while the episode was being filmed.
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  • oldravenman3025oldravenman3025 Member Posts: 1,892 Arc User
    starswordc wrote: »
    jexsamx wrote: »
    SJWs took over that production destroying everything in an attempt to make a political statement.

    It's an ugly representation of what happens, when politics defines creativity. It's restricted then to ugly statements about modern times... They thought that by making it part of today's political climate...

    I don't know if you realize it or not, but Star Trek has been about making statements about contemporary politics since its inception. TOS and TNG were especially riddled with social and political commentary; DS9, VOY, and ENT had more than a few episodes to that effect as well. DSC did nothing out of the ordinary in trying to make political statements about the modern political climate. You can certainly argue it did it poorly - I wouldn't entirely disagree, either - but you can't say DSC was wrong for doing what Trek has always done.


    Agreed. Classic Trek knew how to do decent social commentary (if a bit too over the top and impossibly utopian on occasion). Modern Trek, on the other hand, is more hamfisted in that regard.

    Ahem. "Let That Be Your Last Battlefield" anyone? It's about as subtle about its anti-racism message as an anvil to the face. Ditto any other time Kirk started lecturing the alien of the week.

    And there's often a good reason for that. True story: the mayor of San Francisco actually proposed something very much like the Sanctuary Districts in "Past Tense" while the episode was being filmed.


    I didn't say it was necessarily perfect. But it was scores better than the first season of TNG and more modern offerings (the reboot films and TRIBBLE). And I like my social commentary to both entertain and be relevant.
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,231 Arc User
    starswordc wrote: »
    jexsamx wrote: »
    SJWs took over that production destroying everything in an attempt to make a political statement.

    It's an ugly representation of what happens, when politics defines creativity. It's restricted then to ugly statements about modern times... They thought that by making it part of today's political climate...
    I don't know if you realize it or not, but Star Trek has been about making statements about contemporary politics since its inception. TOS and TNG were especially riddled with social and political commentary; DS9, VOY, and ENT had more than a few episodes to that effect as well. DSC did nothing out of the ordinary in trying to make political statements about the modern political climate. You can certainly argue it did it poorly - I wouldn't entirely disagree, either - but you can't say DSC was wrong for doing what Trek has always done.
    Agreed. Classic Trek knew how to do decent social commentary (if a bit too over the top and impossibly utopian on occasion). Modern Trek, on the other hand, is more hamfisted in that regard.
    Ahem. "Let That Be Your Last Battlefield" anyone? It's about as subtle about its anti-racism message as an anvil to the face. Ditto any other time Kirk started lecturing the alien of the week.

    And there's often a good reason for that. True story: the mayor of San Francisco actually proposed something very much like the Sanctuary Districts in "Past Tense" while the episode was being filmed.
    I didn't say it was necessarily perfect. But it was scores better than the first season of TNG and more modern offerings (the reboot films and TRIBBLE). And I like my social commentary to both entertain and be relevant.
    Now i wonder if you see it as less anvilicious because you just don't get it... IE half the social commentary doesn't mean anything to you so you ignore it as fluff.
    Are you kidding? Have you not seen what many Trekkies all over the net (from Youtube, to IMBD, to TrekBBS, etc.) have been saying about TRIBBLE?
    This seems to mirror what I've been seeing:
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  • nightkennightken Member Posts: 2,808 Arc User
    well, afterfinally went ahead a used a free trial to warch it, I gonna say, my first thought was right we got most the bits that are worth any attention already.

    I can't even say we may get some nice kdf things cause quite frankly I didn't see anything that looked like a klingon anything. I guess nice terran stuff is a plus if nothing else my main could add the emperor's sword to his ever growing collection of trophy swords. after we kill who ever it is currently and let leeta take over.

    I get why cryptic is gonna focus on it I'm not happy about it, but I get it.

    if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
  • jonsillsjonsills Member Posts: 9,815 Arc User
    edited July 2018
    The main reason you think TOS wasn't making some fairly radical political statements in the 1960ies is because you don't really know (or if you are around my age or older)

    I lived during that time, saw the show as it first aired, and I remember them quite well and the state of the nation quite well thank you.
    Not that well, apparently. "Let That Be Your Last Battlefield" was certainly the most blatant, but you should really both rewatch "The Cloud Minders" and check out what David Gerrold had in mind for it before it was largely neutered by the network. Or perhaps you missed the anti-war message of "A Taste of Armageddon", or the not-exactly-subtle lecture against prejudice and bigotry in "Balance of Terror", or the lesson about those who feel innately superior in "Space Seed", or, well, the entirety of "Patterns of Force"...
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  • talonxvtalonxv Member Posts: 4,252 Arc User
    > @markhawkman said:
    > oldravenman3025 wrote: »
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    > jexsamx wrote: »
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    > SJWs took over that production destroying everything in an attempt to make a political statement.
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    > It's an ugly representation of what happens, when politics defines creativity. It's restricted then to ugly statements about modern times... They thought that by making it part of today's political climate...
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    > I don't know if you realize it or not, but Star Trek has been about making statements about contemporary politics since its inception. TOS and TNG were especially riddled with social and political commentary; DS9, VOY, and ENT had more than a few episodes to that effect as well. DSC did nothing out of the ordinary in trying to make political statements about the modern political climate. You can certainly argue it did it poorly - I wouldn't entirely disagree, either - but you can't say DSC was wrong for doing what Trek has always done.
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    > Agreed. Classic Trek knew how to do decent social commentary (if a bit too over the top and impossibly utopian on occasion). Modern Trek, on the other hand, is more hamfisted in that regard.
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    > Ahem. "Let That Be Your Last Battlefield" anyone? It's about as subtle about its anti-racism message as an anvil to the face. Ditto any other time Kirk started lecturing the alien of the week.
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    > And there's often a good reason for that. True story: the mayor of San Francisco actually proposed something very much like the Sanctuary Districts in "Past Tense" while the episode was being filmed.
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    > I didn't say it was necessarily perfect. But it was scores better than the first season of TNG and more modern offerings (the reboot films and TRIBBLE). And I like my social commentary to both entertain and be relevant.
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    > Now i wonder if you see it as less anvilicious because you just don't get it... IE half the social commentary doesn't mean anything to you so you ignore it as fluff. kabutotokugawa wrote: »
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    > Are you kidding? Have you not seen what many Trekkies all over the net (from Youtube, to IMBD, to TrekBBS, etc.) have been saying about TRIBBLE?
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    > This seems to mirror what I've been seeing:

    You just hit the nail on the head.
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  • captainoblivouscaptainoblivous Member Posts: 2,284 Arc User
    rattler2 wrote: »
    New stuff is always fun.

    Bug fixes would be nice...
    I need a beer.

  • captainoblivouscaptainoblivous Member Posts: 2,284 Arc User
    edited July 2018

    jam3s1701 wrote: »
    > @the1tigglet said:
    > Let me just add, that if they were interested in coming out with relevant new content, why not make Axanar content be the next content patch?!

    Because Axanar is not canon.

    Also did you forget the lawsuit to stop that man.

    Oh and next you'll be asking for unicorns

    Oh hey look, it's the canon police! Nee-naw-nee-naw-nee-naw.
    I need a beer.

  • tremere12tremere12 Member Posts: 477 Arc User
    jam3s1701 wrote: »
    > @the1tigglet said:
    > Let me just add, that if they were interested in coming out with relevant new content, why not make Axanar content be the next content patch?!

    Because Axanar is not canon.

    Also did you forget the lawsuit to stop that man.

    Oh and next you'll be asking for unicorns

    Oh hey look, it's the canon police! Nee-naw-nee-naw-nee-naw.

    I've been resisting arrest since 2011 - cheers.
  • seaofsorrowsseaofsorrows Member Posts: 10,913 Arc User
    looking forward to it. new era ,new players ...

    The more I read through this thread, the more I feel we need this. I wish it was happening today.

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  • drakethewhitedrakethewhite Member Posts: 1,240 Arc User
    jonsills wrote: »
    Not that well, apparently. "Let That Be Your Last Battlefield" was certainly the most blatant, but you should really both rewatch and check out what David Gerrold had in mind for it before it was largely neutered by the network. "The Cloud Minders"

    3rd season, I did leave that one out because I don't consider being anti-slavery that much of a statement in 1969. Slavery was ended in 1865 and The Civil Rights Acts was 5 years old by that time. It would be on par with a show saying murder is bad, like Wolf in the Fold. Something worth saying now and then.

    I don't care about David Gerrold's plans any more than I care about Ellison's plans for "City on the Edge of Forever". I'm just glad that neither came to pass.

    And again- that's 3rd season.
    jonsills wrote: »
    Or perhaps you missed the anti-war message of "A Taste of Armageddon"

    That wasn't anti-war, it was anti-*clean* war, i.e. a fake war that killed people but left the culture and infrastructure intact allowing it to go on forever. Kirk and crew were more than welling not just to rage *real* war to stop it, but to destroy their entire planet while doing so.

    The meaning was simple- if you go to war, destroy your enemy completely and rapidly- don't just target part of them. In plain historical terms, WWII, not Vietnam although one would have to remember that all the lessons of the latter wouldn't be clear for half a decade yet.
    jonsills wrote: »
    , or the not-exactly-subtle lecture against prejudice and bigotry in "Balance of Terror",

    I covered that in post above. Please read it.
    jonsills wrote: »
    or the lesson about those who feel innately superior in "Space Seed", or, well, the entirety of "Patterns of Force"...

    That was a lesson about Eugenics and once again "power corrupting". Not just feeling superior, although I don't mind that message as such, it's TNG should have heared.

    It's one worth hearing again, as western culture is once again considering a type of eugenics.
  • starswordcstarswordc Member Posts: 10,951 Arc User
    edited July 2018
    jonsills wrote: »
    The main reason you think TOS wasn't making some fairly radical political statements in the 1960ies is because you don't really know (or if you are around my age or older)

    I lived during that time, saw the show as it first aired, and I remember them quite well and the state of the nation quite well thank you.
    Not that well, apparently. "Let That Be Your Last Battlefield" was certainly the most blatant, but you should really both rewatch "The Cloud Minders" and check out what David Gerrold had in mind for it before it was largely neutered by the network. Or perhaps you missed the anti-war message of "A Taste of Armageddon", or the not-exactly-subtle lecture against prejudice and bigotry in "Balance of Terror", or the lesson about those who feel innately superior in "Space Seed", or, well, the entirety of "Patterns of Force"...

    Hell, the mere act of putting a female (!) black (!!) commissioned naval officer (!!!) on the bridge (!!!!) was a radical left-wing act back then, despite the fact that (as George Takei later put it) she mostly just "answered the phones." And there were TV stations throughout the South that refused to air the episode where aliens make Uhura and Kirk kiss (this after Nichols and Shatner deliberately flubbed every take that tried to hide it).

    And if Roddenberry had had his way, they would've had a female first officer who was every bit a badass as her CO (the network killed that one).

    (In comparison, off forum I'm friends with a self-described Marxist who considers DSC regressive in comparison to earlier Star Trek shows, with some reason.)
    jonsills wrote: »
    Not that well, apparently. "Let That Be Your Last Battlefield" was certainly the most blatant, but you should really both rewatch and check out what David Gerrold had in mind for it before it was largely neutered by the network. "The Cloud Minders"

    3rd season, I did leave that one out because I don't consider being anti-slavery that much of a statement in 1969. Slavery was ended in 1865 and The Civil Rights Acts was 5 years old by that time. It would be on par with a show saying murder is bad, like Wolf in the Fold. Something worth saying now and then.
    You need to study Southern history better. Seriously. (And for the record, I've lived in North Carolina since I was 11.)
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  • usskentuckyusskentucky Member Posts: 402 Arc User
    This discussion, how people arbitrarily embrace the shows they like, disregard the ones they don’t, and present completely subjective arguments as empirical fact and evidence that their personal tastes should dictate Trek canon, well, I imagine the same process created every major religion on this planet.
  • furiontassadarfuriontassadar Member Posts: 475 Arc User
    starswordc wrote: »
    (In comparison, off forum I'm friends with a self-described Marxist who considers DSC regressive in comparison to earlier Star Trek shows, with some reason.)

    That article actually does pretty good job of detailing most of my own issues with Discovery.

    Thinking about it now, I actually shouldn't worry as much, since I don't really think Cryptic's writers are capable of the same level of "grimdark" as Discovery's showrunners. They kind of tried during the Iconian war, but it's a little hard to capture that same feeling in a video game; especially an MMO. More than likely, we'll be getting more of the same dorky space adventures (with lots of shooting) that we normally get, with a matching, Saturday morning cartoon-level antagonist. Standard Cryptic fare.

    Again, I just want to eventually see the story move past the recent ending of the Hurq arc. I was kind of hoping we'd eventually make it to Andromeda, since we've already kind of explored most of the more interesting parts of our own galaxy.
    "There will never be enough blood to wash away my need for vengeance! A single world...I could destroy a million worlds and it would not be enough! Your existence is an insult to the memory of my people! I will continue my fight, even if I must fight alone!"
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