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  • tyler002tyler002 Member Posts: 1,585 Arc User
    edited July 2018
    Game ships won't be in, but the Aegian Class from Armada II managed to sneak through. The Presidio looks like the STO version of an Aegian, even having 4 nacelles doesn't make it less similar because of how each pair's arranged to look like a single nacelle.
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  • anazondaanazonda Member Posts: 8,398 Arc User
    tyler002 wrote: »
    Game ships won't be in, but the Aegian Class from Armada II managed to sneak through. The Presidio looks like the STO version of an Aegian, even having 4 nacelles doesn't make it less similar because of how each pair's arranged to look like a single nacelle.

    Hmmm... I am not sure those are THAT much alike.

    The saucer and secondary hull are significantly different... I think they share about as much similarity as the Sovereign and Presidio.... Basically alike, but not quite.
    Don't look silly... Don't call it the "Z-Store/Zen Store"...
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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,231 Arc User
    rojan1987 wrote: »
    have any of you played other Trek games?
    As a general rule, ships created for other games are permanently off-limits. Cryptic would likely have to pay to use them in STO, THEN build them. It's quicker and easier to simply make new stuff.
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  • tyler002tyler002 Member Posts: 1,585 Arc User
    edited July 2018
    anazonda wrote: »
    tyler002 wrote: »
    Game ships won't be in, but the Aegian Class from Armada II managed to sneak through. The Presidio looks like the STO version of an Aegian, even having 4 nacelles doesn't make it less similar because of how each pair's arranged to look like a single nacelle.

    Hmmm... I am not sure those are THAT much alike.

    The saucer and secondary hull are significantly different... I think they share about as much similarity as the Sovereign and Presidio.... Basically alike, but not quite.

    They're a lot more alike than that.

    Obviously some parts are slightly different, but the basic silhouette and component layout is almost identical. It looks like something a modder would make to 'modernize' the outdated A2 original.
    https://sto.gamepedia.com/File:Presidiocbc.jpg
    https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/startrek/images/5/55/Aegian_class.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20070812003421
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  • anazondaanazonda Member Posts: 8,398 Arc User
    tyler002 wrote: »
    anazonda wrote: »
    tyler002 wrote: »
    Game ships won't be in, but the Aegian Class from Armada II managed to sneak through. The Presidio looks like the STO version of an Aegian, even having 4 nacelles doesn't make it less similar because of how each pair's arranged to look like a single nacelle.

    Hmmm... I am not sure those are THAT much alike.

    The saucer and secondary hull are significantly different... I think they share about as much similarity as the Sovereign and Presidio.... Basically alike, but not quite.

    They're a lot more alike than that.

    Obviously some parts are different, but the basic shape and component layout are almost identical.
    https://sto.gamepedia.com/File:Presidiocbc.jpg
    https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/startrek/images/5/55/Aegian_class.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20070812003421

    I am not at all disputing that.

    However, this isn't surprising, most starfleet ships follow a simple basic scheme. They simply look alike from the angle of the pictures. Seen from other angles, they aren't that much alike... At least no more than many other Starfleet ships.

    However, on the presidio, the saucer is significantly larger, while the secondary hull is taller and and has a "flat" surface with a round top, while the Aegis has a "roundis (?) shape.
    Don't look silly... Don't call it the "Z-Store/Zen Store"...
    Let me put the rumors to rest: it's definitely still the C-Store (Cryptic Store) It just takes ZEN.
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  • tyler002tyler002 Member Posts: 1,585 Arc User
    edited July 2018
    anazonda wrote: »
    tyler002 wrote: »
    anazonda wrote: »
    tyler002 wrote: »
    Game ships won't be in, but the Aegian Class from Armada II managed to sneak through. The Presidio looks like the STO version of an Aegian, even having 4 nacelles doesn't make it less similar because of how each pair's arranged to look like a single nacelle.

    Hmmm... I am not sure those are THAT much alike.

    The saucer and secondary hull are significantly different... I think they share about as much similarity as the Sovereign and Presidio.... Basically alike, but not quite.

    They're a lot more alike than that.

    Obviously some parts are different, but the basic shape and component layout are almost identical.
    https://sto.gamepedia.com/File:Presidiocbc.jpg
    https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/startrek/images/5/55/Aegian_class.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20070812003421

    I am not at all disputing that.

    However, this isn't surprising, most starfleet ships follow a simple basic scheme. They simply look alike from the angle of the pictures. Seen from other angles, they aren't that much alike... At least no more than many other Starfleet ships.

    However, on the presidio, the saucer is significantly larger, while the secondary hull is taller and and has a "flat" surface with a round top, while the Aegis has a "roundis (?) shape.

    Most Starfleet ships look similar but the Aegian style isn't something normally seen in canon. The closest you get in canon is the Excelsior and New Orleans having the nacelles moved slightly foward, but even that isn't anything like the Presidio or Aegian.

    The Aegian and the other Command Ships are the only things the Presidio has an especially strong resemblence to.
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  • anazondaanazonda Member Posts: 8,398 Arc User
    tyler002 wrote: »
    anazonda wrote: »
    tyler002 wrote: »
    anazonda wrote: »
    tyler002 wrote: »
    Game ships won't be in, but the Aegian Class from Armada II managed to sneak through. The Presidio looks like the STO version of an Aegian, even having 4 nacelles doesn't make it less similar because of how each pair's arranged to look like a single nacelle.

    Hmmm... I am not sure those are THAT much alike.

    The saucer and secondary hull are significantly different... I think they share about as much similarity as the Sovereign and Presidio.... Basically alike, but not quite.

    They're a lot more alike than that.

    Obviously some parts are different, but the basic shape and component layout are almost identical.
    https://sto.gamepedia.com/File:Presidiocbc.jpg
    https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/startrek/images/5/55/Aegian_class.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20070812003421

    I am not at all disputing that.

    However, this isn't surprising, most starfleet ships follow a simple basic scheme. They simply look alike from the angle of the pictures. Seen from other angles, they aren't that much alike... At least no more than many other Starfleet ships.

    However, on the presidio, the saucer is significantly larger, while the secondary hull is taller and and has a "flat" surface with a round top, while the Aegis has a "roundis (?) shape.

    Most Starfleet ships look similar but the Aegian style isn't something normally seen in canon. The closest you get in canon is the Excelsior and New Orleans having the nacelles moved slightly foward, but even that isn't anything like the Presidio or Aegian.

    The Aegian and the other Command Ships are the only things the Presidio has an especially strong resemblence to.

    We quickly need to agree that the Aegian isn't canon... it's from ST:Armada
    Don't look silly... Don't call it the "Z-Store/Zen Store"...
    Let me put the rumors to rest: it's definitely still the C-Store (Cryptic Store) It just takes ZEN.
    Like Duty Officers? Support effords to gather ideas
  • jbmonroejbmonroe Member Posts: 809 Arc User
    coldnapalm wrote: »
    Meh...more feddie ship request.

    Because insults make every argument more effective.

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  • anazondaanazonda Member Posts: 8,398 Arc User
    jbmonroe wrote: »
    coldnapalm wrote: »
    Meh...more feddie ship request.

    Because insults make every argument more effective.

    Just ignore him... it's what everyone else does.
    Don't look silly... Don't call it the "Z-Store/Zen Store"...
    Let me put the rumors to rest: it's definitely still the C-Store (Cryptic Store) It just takes ZEN.
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  • echattyechatty Member Posts: 5,682 Arc User
    rojan1987 wrote: »
    coldnapalm wrote: »
    rojan1987 wrote: »
    why are you so against on some ship being in this game?
    echatty wrote: »
    All we can say is those ships you asked for will not be put in the game and that link is pretty useless, as there's very little chance of any of those ships to make it ingame as well.

    did you go to starbase400?

    because it was already explained to you why not. You just repeatedly refuse to listen.

    I am just saying it would be nice to have different types of ships

    And we do get different types of ships. They may not be the ships that you personally want, but we do get different types of ships.
    Now a LTS and loving it.

    Just because you spend money on this game, it does not entitle you to be a jerk if things don't go your way.

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  • tyler002tyler002 Member Posts: 1,585 Arc User
    edited July 2018
    anazonda wrote: »
    tyler002 wrote: »
    anazonda wrote: »
    tyler002 wrote: »
    anazonda wrote: »
    tyler002 wrote: »
    Game ships won't be in, but the Aegian Class from Armada II managed to sneak through. The Presidio looks like the STO version of an Aegian, even having 4 nacelles doesn't make it less similar because of how each pair's arranged to look like a single nacelle.

    Hmmm... I am not sure those are THAT much alike.

    The saucer and secondary hull are significantly different... I think they share about as much similarity as the Sovereign and Presidio.... Basically alike, but not quite.

    They're a lot more alike than that.

    Obviously some parts are different, but the basic shape and component layout are almost identical.
    https://sto.gamepedia.com/File:Presidiocbc.jpg
    https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/startrek/images/5/55/Aegian_class.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20070812003421

    I am not at all disputing that.

    However, this isn't surprising, most starfleet ships follow a simple basic scheme. They simply look alike from the angle of the pictures. Seen from other angles, they aren't that much alike... At least no more than many other Starfleet ships.

    However, on the presidio, the saucer is significantly larger, while the secondary hull is taller and and has a "flat" surface with a round top, while the Aegis has a "roundis (?) shape.

    Most Starfleet ships look similar but the Aegian style isn't something normally seen in canon. The closest you get in canon is the Excelsior and New Orleans having the nacelles moved slightly foward, but even that isn't anything like the Presidio or Aegian.

    The Aegian and the other Command Ships are the only things the Presidio has an especially strong resemblence to.

    We quickly need to agree that the Aegian isn't canon... it's from ST:Armada

    How does its canon status relate to this discussion? If you don't feel like continuing the discussion, just say so. I won't be offended.

    Aslo, the first post of mine you replied to:
    tyler002 wrote: »
    Game ships won't be in, but the Aegian Class from Armada II managed to sneak through. The Presidio looks like the STO version of an Aegian, even having 4 nacelles doesn't make it less similar because of how each pair's arranged to look like a single nacelle.
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  • leemwatsonleemwatson Member Posts: 4,531 Arc User
    rojan1987 wrote: »
    echatty wrote: »
    rojan1987 wrote: »
    coldnapalm wrote: »
    rojan1987 wrote: »
    why are you so against on some ship being in this game?
    echatty wrote: »
    All we can say is those ships you asked for will not be put in the game and that link is pretty useless, as there's very little chance of any of those ships to make it ingame as well.

    did you go to starbase400?

    because it was already explained to you why not. You just repeatedly refuse to listen.

    I am just saying it would be nice to have different types of ships

    And we do get different types of ships. They may not be the ships that you personally want, but we do get different types of ships.

    would and want are completely different

    Irrelevant. The Dev's position on ships is an FCT subject, as you've been told numerous times. Those in the original posts are too close to designs already in-game (especially that Dawnstar, which is almost identical to the T6 Guardian Class), and your current requests have been brought up before.....numerous times. This is not an original idea OP. The Dev's have also stated that they are focused on ORIGINAL designs now, and not really revisiting current or old designs. Any that they do are done in their spare time, such as the re-skin of the Excelsior.
    "You don't want to patrol!? You don't want to escort!? You don't want to defend the Federation's Starbases!? Then why are you flying my Starships!? If you were a Klingon you'd be killed on the spot, but lucky for you.....you WERE in Starfleet. Let's see how New Zealand Penal Colony suits you." Adm A. Necheyev.
  • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
    leemwatson wrote: »
    The Norway Class was integrated into the Akira line of ships in STO. Although you can create an exact replica, you can make a similar model.....and it's also in the Shipyards description, just go check the Fleet Akira.

    The Norway Class is not ingame. Claiming the Oslo is the Norway just because it looks kinda like it is as good as saying they don't need to add the Ambassador (hypothetical obviously as it is ingame) as the Galaxy looks close enough.

    It's a missing canon ship, simple as.


    The complet list of missing canon ships is:

    ENT:
    • Sarajevo type
    • Intrepid type
    • Franklin type
    • Warp Delta
    • Emmette type

    Pre-Federation:
    • Bonaventure type

    Kelvin era:
    • Kelvin type
    • Newton type
    • Kobayashi Maru type
    • Armstrong type
    • Mayflower type

    DSC:
    • Shepard Class
    • Cardenas Class
    • Nimitz Class
    • Hoover Class
    • Malachowski Class
    • Magee Class
    • Engle Class

    Kelvin Timeline:
    • Constitution Class (end of ID beginning of BEY version)
    • Yorktown Class
    • Salcombe type

    TOS
    • DSC Enterprise type
    • Antares type (Woden type/Cargo drone)
    • Huron type
    • TAS Cargo Drone
    • Medusan ship

    TMP:
    • Raging Queen type
    • Curry type
    • Sydney Class
    • Planet of the Titans version one
    • Planet of the Titans version two
    • Miranda Class (the Lantree)
    • Antares Class

    TNG:
    • Niagara Class
    • Melbourne type (all three versions)
    • Ambassador prototype Class
    • One of the Nebula subtypes (I think the CGI one)
    • Freedom Class
    • Challenger Class
    • New Orleans Class
    • Springfield Class
    • Olympic Class
    • Raven Type

    DS9:
    • Nemesis Sovereign Class (new nacelle position, neck extensions, etc.)
    • FC/INS Sovereign Class (without the phaser strips on the pylons the STO version has)
    • Norway Class
    • Yeager Type

    Klingon:
    • D12 K’Vort
    • TAS D7 (with the extended torpedo launcher)
    • ENT D5 Battlecruiser
    • ENT D6 battlecruiser (the unfinished one replaced with a D7 in the episode)
    • ENT BoP
    • ENT scout BoP
    • KT Warbird
    • Cleave ship
    • Qugh Destroyer
    • Veqlargh
    • Qoj
    • Tlhapqa'
    • Qatlh Battlecruiser
    • Chargh
    • JejHa'
    • Jach
    • D7 Sech Prison Transport
    • DSC Bird of Prey
    • Batlh
    • DaSpu'

    Romulan:
    • Canon sized science ship that's not turned into a runabout
    • Canon sized scout ship that's not turned into a runabout
    • D7 (TOS and TAS versions)


    The B'rel is the most iconic Klingon ship. Not the Vor'cha or the D7.​​
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    Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
    JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.

    #TASforSTO


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    'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
    '...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
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  • vetteguy904vetteguy904 Member Posts: 3,295 Arc User
    rojan1987 wrote: »
    I would like to see a Federation ship as a summer voucher ship

    imagine the poutrage.. and yes I's be with them of a fd only event ship. even if they did do three ships for an event the forums would be aflame with the necessity of grinding 3 times. the snowflakes would be demading that one grind unlock all three
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  • vetteguy904vetteguy904 Member Posts: 3,295 Arc User
    rojan1987 wrote: »
    some of the ships from that site could be put in the gane

    no, they really cannot, unless 1. the design is owned by CBS and 2. CBS greenlights it. cryptic designed not withstanding.
    thats why we do not have the saladin destroyers or the federation dread from the 23rd Century. those designs are owne by franz joseph.
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  • vetteguy904vetteguy904 Member Posts: 3,295 Arc User
    echatty wrote: »
    rojan1987 wrote: »
    have any of you played other Trek games?

    No. What does that have to do with STO?

    the last decent ones were the starfleet command series and Bridge Commander. those were produced prior to the CBS/Paramount pissing contest
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  • vetteguy904vetteguy904 Member Posts: 3,295 Arc User
    rojan1987 wrote: »
    have any of you played other Trek games?
    As a general rule, ships created for other games are permanently off-limits. Cryptic would likely have to pay to use them in STO, THEN build them. It's quicker and easier to simply make new stuff.

    which is a shame because the Firehawk from SFC is a beautiful design
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  • anazondaanazonda Member Posts: 8,398 Arc User
    echatty wrote: »
    rojan1987 wrote: »
    have any of you played other Trek games?

    No. What does that have to do with STO?

    the last decent ones were the starfleet command series and Bridge Commander. those were produced prior to the CBS/Paramount pissing contest

    Me and my crew made ships and stations for that game :)
    Don't look silly... Don't call it the "Z-Store/Zen Store"...
    Let me put the rumors to rest: it's definitely still the C-Store (Cryptic Store) It just takes ZEN.
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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,231 Arc User
    artan42 wrote: »
    The B'rel is the most iconic Klingon ship. Not the Vor'cha or the D7.​​
    #it'sreallyRomulan

    Bow before your masters puny Klingons!

    But if you're going to make a list of EVERY canon ship ever seen on screen….
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  • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
    #it'sreallyRomulan

    Bow before your masters puny Klingons!

    In fanon sure. In canon it's a development of the Klingon BoPs seen in ENT and DSC.
    But if you're going to make a list of EVERY canon ship ever seen on screen….
    latest?cb=20171016123448&path-prefix=en

    I included the three poded, one nacelled ship as the 'TAS Cargo Drone'. But it's the only one of the three or four there that look Starfleet.​​
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    Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
    JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.

    #TASforSTO


    '...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
    'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
    'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
    '...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
    'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
    '...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek

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