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  • trennantrennan Member Posts: 2,226 Arc User
    azrael605 wrote: »
    > @disqord#9557 said:
    > azrael605 wrote: »
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    > No I sound like the kind of person who does not assume I know everything. Unlike you.
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    > I can make an accurate prediction based on the rules and functionality of the game. It's really not difficult to take my current knowledge of how STO works and apply those rules to theoretical ship designs. It's basic reasoning! How can you not see that? I don't know what I'm going to have to do to prove to you that logical deduction is a real thing that actually happens.
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    > I'll try another hypothetical, because I'm running out of ideas on how to explain a concept so basic and integral to intelligent thought.
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    > Imagine stats for a new lockbox come out, and in that box is a new flavor of Disruptor space weapons. The blog clearly states that the Disruptor weapons have a special passive ability similar to the Discovery weapons, and that passive is a flat 100x damage multiplier. Otherwise, those weapons function exactly like every other weapon in the game. You can't tell me you would have to actually see it in game to believe that it would be so horribly broken and unfair, as it so obviously is.
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    > How about you actually try to counter my original argument, rather than asking me for a lesson in elementary school education?

    The funny thing is you think you proved anything at all. Math on the ship only takes you so far, it doesn't account for all possible combinations of gear, skill tree builds, spec trees, traits, rep passives, Boff skills, Active Doffs, etc etc etc. There are literally billions of possible combinations and there is no possible way you ran the math on all of them, unless you got a supercomputer up your sleeve.

    This also doesn't address the more important concern of, are the ballcaps wearable anywhere? And can we wear them without having to wear the baseball outfit itself?

    Ships are all well and good, and I'll see what kind of fun I can have with it. But, the ball caps are far more important than that.
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  • shadowfirefly00shadowfirefly00 Member Posts: 954 Arc User
    trennan wrote: »
    This also doesn't address the more important concern of, are the ballcaps wearable anywhere? And can we wear them without having to wear the baseball outfit itself?
    There is no good reason that the caps should not be wearable anywhere with no prerequisites. As noted here, both ENT and ST: Beyond had uniform caps, as did the Kelvin timeline.

    That said, however, I do wonder if the caps take into account things like Andorian antennae...
  • disqord#9557 disqord Member Posts: 507 Arc User
    azrael605 wrote: »
    The funny thing is you think you proved anything at all. Math on the ship only takes you so far, it doesn't account for all possible combinations of gear, skill tree builds, spec trees, traits, rep passives, Boff skills, Active Doffs, etc etc etc. There are literally billions of possible combinations and there is no possible way you ran the math on all of them, unless you got a supercomputer up your sleeve.

    See, I don't need to run billions of calculations to understand that a ship with 5 Dual Cannons and 3 Turrets will always do more damage than a ship with 3 Dual Cannons and 5 Turrets. You're seriously overcomplicating things here. You don't need to run numbers when the ONLY difference on the Ytijara is that it has one more weapon aft than fore. Why in the heck would I calculate DOffs and consoles when there's already several ships that function identically in those aspects?

    Assuming identical loadouts across the board (IE, all of everything being the same, except for weapon slots), an optimal 5/3 cannon build will ALWAYS outpace a 3/5. Dual Cannons do more damage compared to turrets, that is undeniable. Ergo, the Ytijara is not suited for that kind of build. Now sure, you could argue that it may be stronger when facing away from your opponent, but if you're letting that happen for more than a second at most each battle, you're just a bad pilot and not flying at properly efficient levels.

    I then continue using my COMMON SENSE and rule out every other build type. The only thing the Ytijara can do better is that it can have 5 mines instead of only 3 or 4. That doesn't work, however, as testing any normal ship with a mine build clearly proves you'll run into cooldown problems almost constantly. You MAY be able to run 5 tricobalt mine launchers and be able to possibly outdo other ships, but that single build is so microscopic compared to the entire rest of the game that it just doesn't matter. And yes, THAT argument actually was researched.

    But my point is, you don't need to calculate the minutia because you can prove that, when set in equal playing fields, the Ytijara will come out as equal to other ships AT BEST. Except it looks ugly too ;D

    Now honestly, just stop trying. I'm running out of ways to explain common sense and basic deductive reasoning. You're smart enough to understand these concepts, you're just grasping at arguments that aren't there. Why else would I need to explain such simple concepts?

    In any case, unless you somehow manage to come at me with a point of ANY substance whatsoever, I'm not going to reply. Consider this a favor. You won't have to deal with me any more, so please, drop it.
  • disqord#9557 disqord Member Posts: 507 Arc User
    trennan wrote: »
    This also doesn't address the more important concern of, are the ballcaps wearable anywhere? And can we wear them without having to wear the baseball outfit itself?
    There is no good reason that the caps should not be wearable anywhere with no prerequisites. As noted here, both ENT and ST: Beyond had uniform caps, as did the Kelvin timeline.

    That said, however, I do wonder if the caps take into account things like Andorian antennae...

    I'm almost willing to bet the hat will override normal options and give you a standard human head. Kinda like Caitians having furless hands with the 7 of 9 outfit.
  • warpangelwarpangel Member Posts: 8,679 Arc User
    trennan wrote: »
    This also doesn't address the more important concern of, are the ballcaps wearable anywhere? And can we wear them without having to wear the baseball outfit itself?
    There is no good reason that the caps should not be wearable anywhere with no prerequisites. As noted here, both ENT and ST: Beyond had uniform caps, as did the Kelvin timeline.
    Cryptic never needed a good reason to put restrictions on clothing.
    That said, however, I do wonder if the caps take into account things like Andorian antennae...
    I would expect not. Previous hats have removed characters' hair and even beards. I'll be surprised if a human remains fully featured with a cap on, much less species with extra head bits.
  • tacticoolfugga#9235 tacticoolfugga Member Posts: 375 Arc User
    > @xungnguyen said:
    > I'll get the ship just for the console and mastery trait and discard it when I'm done.

    Why even bother? The console and mastery trait really worth it to go through the grind and hassle of this event? Not for me.
  • where2r1where2r1 Member Posts: 5,922 Arc User
    Is it todaY??? Is it today??? Or is it starting on Thursday??? Where is that blog??
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  • baddmoonrizinbaddmoonrizin Member Posts: 6,029 Community Moderator
    Tomorrow, I believe.
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  • where2r1where2r1 Member Posts: 5,922 Arc User
    edited July 2018
    Never mind... Hubby just told me it was only Monday. LOL!
    I gotta get the Orion to Level 10, still..... What is the point of having an Orion if she can't get a swim suit because you forgot to unlock the store on her?
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  • disqord#9557 disqord Member Posts: 507 Arc User
    where2r1 wrote: »
    Never mind... Hubby just told me it was only Monday. LOL!
    I gotta get the Orion to Level 10, still..... What is the point of having an Orion if she can't get a swim suit because you forgot to unlock the store on her?

    Orions can already wear their own exclusive bikinis, I'd have thought that would be good enough.
  • where2r1where2r1 Member Posts: 5,922 Arc User
    edited July 2018
    Orions can already wear their own exclusive bikinis, I'd have thought that would be good enough.

    I like the colors they have in the swimsuit palette.

    Besides, my Orion is not wearing a bikini all the time.
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  • trennantrennan Member Posts: 2,226 Arc User
    where2r1 wrote: »
    Is it todaY??? Is it today??? Or is it starting on Thursday??? Where is that blog??

    Tuesday, July 3rd.

    and

    https://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/10934263-the-2018-risa-lohlunat-festival!
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  • alissacgalissacg Member Posts: 35 Arc User
    I have a question will their be a nightime on risa this year so we can tell when it is day or night?????
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  • bubblegirl2015bubblegirl2015 Member Posts: 695 Arc User
    lexusk19 wrote: »
    Its the Risa Summer event and instead of new swimsuits or summer themed outfits for a tropical island we get baseball uniforms? Really???? Why Cryptic, why in the name of the Nagus? Why? -_-

    They ran out of out ideas...I guess they think baseball might be a global or even a galactic sports. Yes it was on Ds9. However, for most of the world it is a foreign sport. Now soccer is more global and more accepted in the world.

    If they wanted to be more inclusive should have come up with Fishing, boat racing or similar. This is a meh mode. I come to summer to take clothes off not to wrap up in some more fugly baseball uniforms.​​
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  • where2r1where2r1 Member Posts: 5,922 Arc User
    Baseball is a summer sport. My Hubby watches it every single day in the Summer. LOL!
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  • warpangelwarpangel Member Posts: 8,679 Arc User
    Why even bother? The console and mastery trait really worth it to go through the grind and hassle of this event? Not for me.
    "Grind and hassle?" Lol. :D

    If 5 minutes a day is "grind and hassle," why play the game at all?
  • ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 9,366 Arc User
    No, Risa will still be the land of the Midnight Sun. They cannot fix the issue as it is related to the basic fundamentals of Lighting 2.0
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  • azrael605azrael605 Member Posts: 9,864 Arc User
    > @bubblegirl2015 said:
    > lexusk19 wrote: »
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    > Its the Risa Summer event and instead of new swimsuits or summer themed outfits for a tropical island we get baseball uniforms? Really???? Why Cryptic, why in the name of the Nagus? Why? -_-
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    > They ran out of out ideas...I guess they think baseball might be a global or even a galactic sports. Yes it was on Ds9. However, for most of the world it is a foreign sport. Now soccer is more global and more accepted in the world.
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    > If they wanted to be more inclusive should have come up with Fishing, boat racing or similar. This is a meh mode. I come to summer to take clothes off not to wrap up in some more fugly baseball uniforms.​​

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  • baddmoonrizinbaddmoonrizin Member Posts: 6,029 Community Moderator
    I guess some people don't realize that there are professional baseball teams worldwide, and that it's an Olympic sport. :confused:
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  • trennantrennan Member Posts: 2,226 Arc User
    Star Trek baseball

    24th century Teams.
    Niners
    Logicians
    Cestus Comets
    Pike City Pioneers
    4 unnamed teams on Cestus III

    This is off memory-alpha jus tlooking up baseball. If you hop over to memory-beta you can find

    http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/Cestus_Baseball_League

    If you also look up Cetus III on Memory-Alpha you'll find.

    http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Cestus_III

    In 2371, the colonists formed a baseball league with six teams, including the Cestus Comets and the Pike City Pioneers. Kasidy Yates's youngest brother lived on Cestus III and invited Sisko and his sister to see a live baseball game at the colony in 2372. (DS9: "Family Business", "The Way of the Warrior")

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  • reyan01reyan01 Member Posts: 12,654 Arc User
    ltminns wrote: »
    No, Risa will still be the land of the Midnight Sun. They cannot fix the issue as it is related to the basic fundamentals of Lighting 2.0

    A real shame though - it was stunning when it had the day-night cycle
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  • avoozuulavoozuul Member Posts: 2,364 Arc User
    I wish they would at least edit Risa to have an eternal sunset.
  • nimbullnimbull Member Posts: 1,458 Arc User
    edited July 2018
    warpangel wrote: »
    A few more things to say.

    First, I don't see why ANY outfit is restricted. Just take a look at the Orions running around in their "uniform" bikinis, and Orion and Cardassian men get to go completely topless, yet anyone else who wants to do the exact same thing is sequestered off to Risa. Totally unfair treatment, in my opinion. If they don't want me facing off with T'Ket half-naked in my underwear, they should make that a rule for ALL players. Or we'll just end up with a steadily increasing number of pink-skinned Orion women
    Hear, hear. Do away with the stupid restrictions let us combine everything freely.

    The restrictions aren't even consistent. Somethings are restricted others aren't with no reason why. Even stuff like the board shorts and shirts that are entirely normal clothes with a colorful texture, get all restricted just because they're from Risa. We'll have to see what fate the baseball stuff gets this year.

    I'm in total favor of removing category restrictions on available costume pieces for characters. Put all the options in one big pile and let the players be more creative. Maybe then finally I can have costumes where I don't have to worry about editing because of a recent category reclassification rendering a saved outfit unavailable because of some new mix and match rule that was thought up breaking an outfit I made.
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  • avoozuulavoozuul Member Posts: 2,364 Arc User
    Problem is clothing items could have clipping issues when mixed with another clothing item.
  • where2r1where2r1 Member Posts: 5,922 Arc User
    edited July 2018
    avoozuul wrote: »
    I wish they would at least edit Risa to have an eternal sunset.

    Yeah...eternal sunset/sunrise...would look much prettier. :)
    Though I liked the full moon in the back drop when I was taking Risa pics with my characters, too.

    You know, THIS would be a good use of a Holodeck....give us a place to see Risa during the night...even if just for screen shots.
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  • bubblegirl2015bubblegirl2015 Member Posts: 695 Arc User
    azrael605 wrote: »
    > @bubblegirl2015 said:
    > lexusk19 wrote: »
    >
    > Its the Risa Summer event and instead of new swimsuits or summer themed outfits for a tropical island we get baseball uniforms? Really???? Why Cryptic, why in the name of the Nagus? Why? -_-
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    > They ran out of out ideas...I guess they think baseball might be a global or even a galactic sports. Yes it was on Ds9. However, for most of the world it is a foreign sport. Now soccer is more global and more accepted in the world.
    >
    > If they wanted to be more inclusive should have come up with Fishing, boat racing or similar. This is a meh mode. I come to summer to take clothes off not to wrap up in some more fugly baseball uniforms.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professional_baseball

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  • sheldonlcoopersheldonlcooper Member Posts: 3,759 Arc User
    hey, have the flower accents been removed from the Risa store. I can't find em.
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  • tobywitczaktobywitczak Member Posts: 180 Arc User
    I am hoping that at some point they do a lighting 2.1/2.5/3.0 and add back the light cycle, that add a lot of Risa, In fact I think that all community maps should have it.
  • denaresdenares Member Posts: 6 Arc User
    So I begin the rant and say that I am disappointed that console players never got the chance to fly the vorgon carrier from last years summer event, this year. As was the case when we got given the xyfius escort which was the prize from the previous year on pc. Is it the case that pc and console are now synchronised for this event. During the 8th anniversary we were given the opportunity to get the lukari ho’kuun ship from the cstore and the bajoran interceptor from collecting the vouchers.

    This time around there is no opportunity to get the vorgon carrier, only the dreadnought cruiser. There will probably be a lot of disgruntled players who thought we would be working towards aforementioned carrier and not weird weapon layout Vessel which constitutes this years prize.

    Would Cryptic/Perfect World like to comment on why we the console players are not given the vorgon carrier as a character claim from the cstore, just like the lukari ship during the anniversary event?
  • disqord#9557 disqord Member Posts: 507 Arc User
    My first impression of Risa? There's too much racing. Way too much racing.

    I'm not a fan of competition when I'm supposed to be relaxing, and I'm not very good at it either. Where the rest of the events are much more calm easygoing.
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