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  • zedbrightlander1zedbrightlander1 Member Posts: 13,172 Arc User
    bergins wrote: »
    YESSSS!!!!!!

    BASEBALL HATS!!!!!!

    Best.
    Event.
    Prise.
    EVER!!!!!!

    I wonder if we can wear them backwards?
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    Sig? What sig? I don't see any sig.
  • tobiashirttobiashirt Member Posts: 583 Arc User
    > @disqord#9557 said:
    > The holographic caracals look super pretty and I'm probably getting one.
    > The Caitian Claws uniform is a much needed first step toward cat recognition in this world.
    > Emotes are a welcome addition, assuming it isn't ALL baseball related.
    > The new foods possibly mean a new tribble. I'm looking forward to getting my hands on a brand new Rum-infused Chewy Tribble!
    >
    > Now, the bigger stuffs.
    >
    > The Engineering module sounds cool, and if it's strong *Cough, Molten Terrain* and if it ends up being something that actually does ANYTHING in a fight, *Cough cough Hurricane Turret* I might look forward to using it.
    > The Science mod sounds a bit on the weak side, since it looks like it'll just be an Incite Chaos but without the fun Chaos part, and the Tactical module sounds like every other one in the game: Deal lots of damage and make the other classes obsolete.
    >
    > The new ship being a Dreadnought Cruiser means it'll have a hangar bay installed, and that either means it will just be a rehash of the Ryn'Kodan's frigates, or a new fighter pet. Either way, I hope (with futility) that the pets will be available for use on all ships, instead of just the boring Vorgon ships.

    Interesting thought on the modules, but the science one sounds more like the active immunity infestation (or whatever it's called)
  • avoozuulavoozuul Member Posts: 2,367 Arc User
    edited June 2018
    I knew it, they gave the ship a typical cruiser layout and it's too similar to the carrier but with the specialized seating being lieutenant commander instead of just lieutenant. I am pretty much disappointed with it and still think they should've made it a science ship instead. But now I fear they might continue with the Vorgon ships like with the Breen ships and not do any T6 variants of the Risian ships.
  • avoozuulavoozuul Member Posts: 2,367 Arc User
    edited June 2018
    I knew it, they gave the ship a typical cruiser layout and it's too similar to the carrier but with the specialized seating being lieutenant commander instead of just lieutenant and one hangar bay instead of two, and 8 weapons instead of 6.

    I am pretty much disappointed with it and still think they should've made it a science ship instead. But now I fear they might continue with the Vorgon ships like with the Breen ships and not do any T6 variants of the Risian ships, yes I know they've now done all three but that doesn't mean they can't dream up new homebaked designs.

    To me they managed to make each new Vorgon ship less interesting than the previous one.
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  • cervaruscervarus Member Posts: 16 Arc User
    Something I noticed about these Vorgon ships. Last year, the carrier looked more than a little like a surfboard (complete with a fin underneath). This year the Dreadnought looks like a trident, or perhaps a French Fleur de Lis symbol. Pretty sure the ship designer did his on purpose. Water-themed ships for Risa.
  • disqord#9557 disqord Member Posts: 507 Arc User
    A few more things to say.

    First, I don't see why ANY outfit is restricted. Just take a look at the Orions running around in their "uniform" bikinis, and Orion and Cardassian men get to go completely topless, yet anyone else who wants to do the exact same thing is sequestered off to Risa. Totally unfair treatment, in my opinion. If they don't want me facing off with T'Ket half-naked in my underwear, they should make that a rule for ALL players. Or we'll just end up with a steadily increasing number of pink-skinned Orion women

    Second, I like the idea of the Vorgon cruiser having more slots aft than fore, basically begging us to turn it into a mine-layer ship, one has to wonder what the point of that decision even was if we don't have a Commander Tactical seat to use the strongest dispersal patterns.

    Without some method of access to the stronger weapon enhancements, the cruiser is just going to turn into a broadside beam ship. There's not enough forward space for the stronger Dual Beams/Cannons, which would naturally gimp any such build, and the only level 3 abilities it will have access to are beam enhancements (and torpedos, but the only way to make it effective would be to flip the omni-beams and torps on a normal ship, but then you're just left with a pitifully slow ship that can't use abilities that require forward targeting.)

    Mines need a lot more than a shared cooldown reduction to make this ship even considerable as a choice, and weapon abilities in general could use a bit of a touch-up.
  • warpangelwarpangel Member Posts: 8,708 Arc User
    edited June 2018
    A few more things to say.

    First, I don't see why ANY outfit is restricted. Just take a look at the Orions running around in their "uniform" bikinis, and Orion and Cardassian men get to go completely topless, yet anyone else who wants to do the exact same thing is sequestered off to Risa. Totally unfair treatment, in my opinion. If they don't want me facing off with T'Ket half-naked in my underwear, they should make that a rule for ALL players. Or we'll just end up with a steadily increasing number of pink-skinned Orion women
    Hear, hear. Do away with the stupid restrictions let us combine everything freely.

    The restrictions aren't even consistent. Somethings are restricted others aren't with no reason why. Even stuff like the board shorts and shirts that are entirely normal clothes with a colorful texture, get all restricted just because they're from Risa. We'll have to see what fate the baseball stuff gets this year.
  • kiralynkiralyn Member Posts: 1,130 Arc User
    edited June 2018
    A few more things to say.

    First, I don't see why ANY outfit is restricted. Just take a look at the Orions running around in their "uniform" bikinis, and Orion and Cardassian men get to go completely topless, yet anyone else who wants to do the exact same thing is sequestered off to Risa.

    Well, and as I mentioned in the "Outfit Categories" thread, one can already do all sorts of wacky stuff with what is available in ESD, so the "but but but - it will go against that Staid Starfleet Atmosphere™!" and "people will go nuts with outfits!" arguments are kind of silly.

    Things my characters can/have worn in ESD -
    • Halter swimsuit top, Terran shorts (both in bright green), bare feet
    • Shiny black latex miniskirt, purple satin strapless corset (formal outfit top)
    • 7of9 catsuit in bright colors, overlaid with the Herald Thrall monokini/torso strap
    • Romulan 23rd century metallic microskirt, Exo III strap top
    • Ugly purple Christmas sweater, purple miniskirt, dark purple tights (not revealing at all, but certainly 'wacky')
    • oh yeah, my FedRom's "Rave" outfit - metallic Rom microskirt, one of the Rom civvie shirts, sparkly tights, high heels, all in bright colors; plus one of the funny tech visors & pale blue/pink streaked hair


    So, yeah. How exactly would releasing the rest of the outfit parts really make much of a difference? People would mess around with their new freedom for a couple weeks, then go back to wearing all sorts of Whatever.


    (why yes, I do have lots of outfit slots unlocked, and make all sorts of outfits for my alts. Many of them even uniforms or mission gear. o:) )


    edit: that said, I do wonder if some of the their-own-category outfits (like the Iconian mirrored catsuit) are separate because they just don't play well with other parts. Of course, they did manage to get the glowing-circuitry Herald Thrall bits into the regular rotation, so.... /shrug
  • trennantrennan Member Posts: 2,226 Arc User
    kiralyn wrote: »
    A few more things to say.

    First, I don't see why ANY outfit is restricted. Just take a look at the Orions running around in their "uniform" bikinis, and Orion and Cardassian men get to go completely topless, yet anyone else who wants to do the exact same thing is sequestered off to Risa.

    Well, and as I mentioned in the "Outfit Categories" thread, one can already do all sorts of wacky stuff with what is available in ESD, so the "but but but - it will go against that Staid Starfleet Atmosphere™!" and "people will go nuts with outfits!" arguments are kind of silly.

    Things my characters can/have worn in ESD -
    • Halter swimsuit top, Terran shorts (both in bright green), bare feet
    • Shiny black latex miniskirt, purple satin strapless corset (formal outfit top)
    • 7of9 catsuit in bright colors, overlaid with the Herald Thrall monokini/torso strap
    • Romulan 23rd century metallic microskirt, Exo III strap top
    • Ugly purple Christmas sweater, purple miniskirt, dark purple tights (not revealing at all, but certainly 'wacky')
    • oh yeah, my FedRom's "Rave" outfit - metallic Rom microskirt, one of the Rom civvie shirts, sparkly tights, high heels, all in bright colors; plus one of the funny tech visors & pale blue/pink streaked hair


    So, yeah. How exactly would releasing the rest of the outfit parts really make much of a difference? People would mess around with their new freedom for a couple weeks, then go back to wearing all sorts of Whatever.


    (why yes, I do have lots of outfit slots unlocked, and make all sorts of outfits for my alts. Many of them even uniforms or mission gear. o:) )


    edit: that said, I do wonder if some of the their-own-category outfits (like the Iconian mirrored catsuit) are separate because they just don't play well with other parts. Of course, they did manage to get the glowing-circuitry Herald Thrall bits into the regular rotation, so.... /shrug

    Given the amount of god awful clipping that happens with all the current outfits already. The "This outfit and that outfit don't get along." is already an annoying part of the tailor.

    Seriously, right now, trying to build an outfit is, the search for the pieces that don't clip. Or the search for pieces that don't clip to badly.

    Also, on parts like the halter bikini top, or the terran shorts. Pay close attention to the neck, arms, and legs. If you do, you'll see the hem lines from the shirt and pants they used to make them.
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  • shadowfirefly00shadowfirefly00 Member Posts: 954 Arc User
    edited June 2018
    avoozuul wrote: »
    I am pretty much disappointed with it and still think they should've made it a science ship instead.
    Well... they still can. "How?" you ask. Well... seeing as the Ytijara is the workhorse of the Vorgon fleet, it is not inconceivable that they would have tactical- and science-leaning versions (see also, the new Andorian escorts). Such variants, I imagine, would have obvious difference in boff and console layouts, thusly:

    • tac!Ytijara - Lt. Eng./Cmdr. Tac./Lt. Cmdr. Sci./Ensign Uni./Lt. Cmdr. Uni./TO ~ 3 Eng., 5 Tac., 3 Sci.
    • sci!Ytijara - Lt. Tac./Cmdr. Sci./Lt. Cmdr. Sci/Ensign Uni./Lt. Cmdr. Uni./TO ~ 3 Eng., 5 Sci., 3 Tac.

    They would, I imagine, still share the console, trait, and mastery package. If such variants exist in future, it would be logical to make them available to anyone who has unlocked the current variant.
    But now I fear they might continue with the Vorgon ships like with the Breen ships and not do any T6 variants of the Risian ships, yes I know they've now done all three but that doesn't mean they can't dream up new homebaked designs.
    While not new 'homebaked designs', an Echentis hull for the Xyfius, and Xyfius hangars for the Ytijara and Ryn'kodan would not be unwelcome.
    Post edited by shadowfirefly00 on
  • disqord#9557 disqord Member Posts: 507 Arc User
    All I wanted from the new ship was for it to be a Miracle Worker non-Vorgon design. Since neither of those things happened, I'm finding it hard to be interested in it. I've already gone on about its total lack of capability as a minelayer, and it really just feels like it tried to be unique without actually doing anything effectively different.

    And yes, I really hope we never see another Vorgon or Breen ship for as long as I live.
  • azrael605azrael605 Member Posts: 9,903 Arc User
    > @disqord#9557 said:
    > All I wanted from the new ship was for it to be a Miracle Worker non-Vorgon design. Since neither of those things happened, I'm finding it hard to be interested in it. I've already gone on about its total lack of capability as a minelayer, and it really just feels like it tried to be unique without actually doing anything effectively different.
    >
    > And yes, I really hope we never see another Vorgon or Breen ship for as long as I live.

    So somehow without flying the ship for so much as a second you can determine its exact capability? Ok then, what are the next Powerball numbers? Cause if you can do the first then the second should be childs play.
    There ain't no such thing as a free lunch.

    One man's theology is another man's belly laugh.

    You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on having both at once.

    Don't ever become a pessimist... a pessimist is correct oftener than an optimist, but an optimist has more fun, and neither can stop the march of events.

    Robert Heinlein
  • disqord#9557 disqord Member Posts: 507 Arc User
    azrael605 wrote: »
    > @disqord#9557 said:
    > All I wanted from the new ship was for it to be a Miracle Worker non-Vorgon design. Since neither of those things happened, I'm finding it hard to be interested in it. I've already gone on about its total lack of capability as a minelayer, and it really just feels like it tried to be unique without actually doing anything effectively different.
    >
    > And yes, I really hope we never see another Vorgon or Breen ship for as long as I live.

    So somehow without flying the ship for so much as a second you can determine its exact capability? Ok then, what are the next Powerball numbers? Cause if you can do the first then the second should be childs play.

    You sound like the kind of person that can't tell a hamster will never outpace a cheetah until you see them in a race firsthand.
  • ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 9,389 Arc User
    Don't worry about any more Breen Ships for the Winter. This year we will be getting the Fesarius. It looks like a gigantic snowball and will put those 26th Century Ships to shame. ;)
    'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!
    Judge Dan Haywood
  • azrael605azrael605 Member Posts: 9,903 Arc User
    > @disqord#9557 said:
    > azrael605 wrote: »
    >
    > > @disqord#9557 said:
    > > All I wanted from the new ship was for it to be a Miracle Worker non-Vorgon design. Since neither of those things happened, I'm finding it hard to be interested in it. I've already gone on about its total lack of capability as a minelayer, and it really just feels like it tried to be unique without actually doing anything effectively different.
    > >
    > > And yes, I really hope we never see another Vorgon or Breen ship for as long as I live.
    >
    > So somehow without flying the ship for so much as a second you can determine its exact capability? Ok then, what are the next Powerball numbers? Cause if you can do the first then the second should be childs play.
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > You sound like the kind of person that can't tell a hamster will never outpace a cheetah until you see them in a race firsthand.

    No I sound like the kind of person who does not assume I know everything. Unlike you.
    There ain't no such thing as a free lunch.

    One man's theology is another man's belly laugh.

    You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on having both at once.

    Don't ever become a pessimist... a pessimist is correct oftener than an optimist, but an optimist has more fun, and neither can stop the march of events.

    Robert Heinlein
  • warpangelwarpangel Member Posts: 8,708 Arc User
    trennan wrote: »
    kiralyn wrote: »
    A few more things to say.

    First, I don't see why ANY outfit is restricted. Just take a look at the Orions running around in their "uniform" bikinis, and Orion and Cardassian men get to go completely topless, yet anyone else who wants to do the exact same thing is sequestered off to Risa.

    Well, and as I mentioned in the "Outfit Categories" thread, one can already do all sorts of wacky stuff with what is available in ESD, so the "but but but - it will go against that Staid Starfleet Atmosphere™!" and "people will go nuts with outfits!" arguments are kind of silly.

    Things my characters can/have worn in ESD -
    • Halter swimsuit top, Terran shorts (both in bright green), bare feet
    • Shiny black latex miniskirt, purple satin strapless corset (formal outfit top)
    • 7of9 catsuit in bright colors, overlaid with the Herald Thrall monokini/torso strap
    • Romulan 23rd century metallic microskirt, Exo III strap top
    • Ugly purple Christmas sweater, purple miniskirt, dark purple tights (not revealing at all, but certainly 'wacky')
    • oh yeah, my FedRom's "Rave" outfit - metallic Rom microskirt, one of the Rom civvie shirts, sparkly tights, high heels, all in bright colors; plus one of the funny tech visors & pale blue/pink streaked hair


    So, yeah. How exactly would releasing the rest of the outfit parts really make much of a difference? People would mess around with their new freedom for a couple weeks, then go back to wearing all sorts of Whatever.


    (why yes, I do have lots of outfit slots unlocked, and make all sorts of outfits for my alts. Many of them even uniforms or mission gear. o:) )


    edit: that said, I do wonder if some of the their-own-category outfits (like the Iconian mirrored catsuit) are separate because they just don't play well with other parts. Of course, they did manage to get the glowing-circuitry Herald Thrall bits into the regular rotation, so.... /shrug

    Given the amount of god awful clipping that happens with all the current outfits already. The "This outfit and that outfit don't get along." is already an annoying part of the tailor.

    Seriously, right now, trying to build an outfit is, the search for the pieces that don't clip. Or the search for pieces that don't clip to badly.
    Some things clip, yes. Locking out clothes doesn't stop that, unless they're going to lock all clothes so it's only preapproved combinations. Which would suck.

    The possible combinations increase exponentially with the number of choices, so it's impossible for devs to screen all of them for what doesn't "get along." Better just leave it to the players, who can decide for themselves if something doesn't look good together.
    Also, on parts like the halter bikini top, or the terran shorts. Pay close attention to the neck, arms, and legs. If you do, you'll see the hem lines from the shirt and pants they used to make them.
    Lol. Will have to look for that sometime. :D

    Might want to post about that in the art forum, with screenshots.
  • disqord#9557 disqord Member Posts: 507 Arc User
    azrael605 wrote: »
    No I sound like the kind of person who does not assume I know everything. Unlike you.
    I can make an accurate prediction based on the rules and functionality of the game. It's really not difficult to take my current knowledge of how STO works and apply those rules to theoretical ship designs. It's basic reasoning! How can you not see that? I don't know what I'm going to have to do to prove to you that logical deduction is a real thing that actually happens.

    I'll try another hypothetical, because I'm running out of ideas on how to explain a concept so basic and integral to intelligent thought.

    Imagine stats for a new lockbox come out, and in that box is a new flavor of Disruptor space weapons. The blog clearly states that the Disruptor weapons have a special passive ability similar to the Discovery weapons, and that passive is a flat 100x damage multiplier. Otherwise, those weapons function exactly like every other weapon in the game. You can't tell me you would have to actually see it in game to believe that it would be so horribly broken and unfair, as it so obviously is.

    How about you actually try to counter my original argument, rather than asking me for a lesson in elementary school education?
  • drakescale1992drakescale1992 Member Posts: 1 New User
    Will consoles be able to acquire the Vorgon Carrier from last year's PC summer event? Consoles were a year behind on that last year and we got the Vorgon Escort instead.
  • thewetchef#1147 thewetchef Member Posts: 7 Arc User
    Ok to get the ship i need "Lohlunat Prize Vouchers" but HOW do i get those?
  • kiralynkiralyn Member Posts: 1,130 Arc User
    Ok to get the ship i need "Lohlunat Prize Vouchers" but HOW do i get those?

    The daily "Flying High" quest gives you 40. You need to do it 25 days, out of the 40 the event runs. It's relatively trivial.
  • thewetchef#1147 thewetchef Member Posts: 7 Arc User
    kiralyn wrote: »
    Ok to get the ship i need "Lohlunat Prize Vouchers" but HOW do i get those?

    The daily "Flying High" quest gives you 40. You need to do it 25 days, out of the 40 the event runs. It's relatively trivial.

    Ok thanx for anser!

    But the ONLT quest i se is the "Hide and Seek" one (don't remember the name of the quest)
  • where2r1where2r1 Member Posts: 5,923 Arc User
    edited June 2018

    Ok thanx for anser!

    But the ONLT quest i se is the "Hide and Seek" one (don't remember the name of the quest)

    "Flying High" is a short obstacle course (set of 3) you do while using a floater....only available during the Summer Event on Risa, the only place players can use a floater.

    "Spend your life doing strange things with weird people." -- UNK

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  • thewetchef#1147 thewetchef Member Posts: 7 Arc User
    where2r1 wrote: »

    Ok thanx for anser!

    But the ONLT quest i se is the "Hide and Seek" one (don't remember the name of the quest)

    "Flying High" is a short obstacle course (set of 3) you do while using a floater....only available during the Summer Event on Risa, the only place players can use a floater.

    The summer event is Now right???
    And i have bout the floater! Three different times, but nothing change when i equipe the floater! (except that i now can fly!)

    I'm on xbox Btw.
  • cantrilcantril Member Posts: 3 Arc User
    is this correct that the new Dreadnought will have 5 aft (rear) and 3 fore (front) weapons? so it has more firepower behind it than in front?
  • ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 9,389 Arc User
    Sort of like a Mirror Universe HMS Rodney.

    Contrarian.

    'You say "Yes", I say "No".
    You say "Stop" and I say "Go, go, go".
    Oh no.
    You say "Goodbye" and I say "Hello, hello, hello".
    I don't know why you say "Goodbye", I say "Hello, hello, hello".
    I don't know why you say goodbye, I say hello.
    I say "High", you say "Low".'
    'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!
    Judge Dan Haywood
  • trennantrennan Member Posts: 2,226 Arc User
    All I wanted from the new ship was for it to be a Miracle Worker non-Vorgon design. Since neither of those things happened, I'm finding it hard to be interested in it. I've already gone on about its total lack of capability as a minelayer, and it really just feels like it tried to be unique without actually doing anything effectively different.

    And yes, I really hope we never see another Vorgon or Breen ship for as long as I live.

    This should actually be the last Vorgon ship in the iteration. as far as wanting a MW, I can point you toward the Maquis Raider.
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  • xungnguyenxungnguyen Member Posts: 195 Arc User
    I'll get the ship just for the console and mastery trait and discard it when I'm done.
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    "Revenge his foul and most unnatural murder." (King Hamlet Act 1 Scene 5)

    "Simba, you've forgotten me. You've forgotten who you are … you are my son and the one true king." (Mufasa)
  • azrael605azrael605 Member Posts: 9,903 Arc User
    > @disqord#9557 said:
    > azrael605 wrote: »
    >
    > No I sound like the kind of person who does not assume I know everything. Unlike you.
    >
    >
    >
    > I can make an accurate prediction based on the rules and functionality of the game. It's really not difficult to take my current knowledge of how STO works and apply those rules to theoretical ship designs. It's basic reasoning! How can you not see that? I don't know what I'm going to have to do to prove to you that logical deduction is a real thing that actually happens.
    >
    > I'll try another hypothetical, because I'm running out of ideas on how to explain a concept so basic and integral to intelligent thought.
    >
    > Imagine stats for a new lockbox come out, and in that box is a new flavor of Disruptor space weapons. The blog clearly states that the Disruptor weapons have a special passive ability similar to the Discovery weapons, and that passive is a flat 100x damage multiplier. Otherwise, those weapons function exactly like every other weapon in the game. You can't tell me you would have to actually see it in game to believe that it would be so horribly broken and unfair, as it so obviously is.
    >
    > How about you actually try to counter my original argument, rather than asking me for a lesson in elementary school education?

    The funny thing is you think you proved anything at all. Math on the ship only takes you so far, it doesn't account for all possible combinations of gear, skill tree builds, spec trees, traits, rep passives, Boff skills, Active Doffs, etc etc etc. There are literally billions of possible combinations and there is no possible way you ran the math on all of them, unless you got a supercomputer up your sleeve.
    There ain't no such thing as a free lunch.

    One man's theology is another man's belly laugh.

    You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on having both at once.

    Don't ever become a pessimist... a pessimist is correct oftener than an optimist, but an optimist has more fun, and neither can stop the march of events.

    Robert Heinlein
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