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what are people using for ship boffs its clear Jemmy's are made for ground combat so are people just filling there ship stations with other Boff's since jemmy's have 0 space traits and just using jem for ground missions or am i missing something here?
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  • dongemaharudongemaharu Member Posts: 544 Arc User
    The Boffs from the vanguard pack have great space traits.
  • rezkingrezking Member Posts: 1,109 Arc User
    Vanguard Jems have a Space Trait, but you can only get 1 Tac, Sci and Eng.
    My KDF Tac VanJem will fill out the BOff Stations with Nausicaans and Embassy Tac Roms.

    Not sure about a Fed Jem yet.
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  • wideningxgyrewideningxgyre Member Posts: 710 Arc User
    Why would it be any different from any other FED - unless you're trying to keep it all Jem, then I think we're s-o-l.

    You'd put come combination of embassy ROMs with SRO, Nausicaan from Diplomacy, and Mr. Potato head from Delta mission to backfill the VanJem boffs, as necessary.
  • bossheisenbergbossheisenberg Member Posts: 603 Arc User
    The Kentari boffs from the fleet colony are supposed to be awesome...
  • charon83charon83 Member Posts: 96 Arc User
    Fed: 1x Kentari (sci), 2x Romulan tac, 1x uhura hologram (eng), 1x Potatoehead/nausicaan [eng] - last depends on diplomacy level.
    Kdf: 2x Romulan Tac, 1x Kentari (sci), rest nausicaan.

    pretty much the same really, unless it's an actual romulan character where you just take all romulan boffs for the crit mashine. Also The uhura hologram has two somehwat okay traits, but since this one does have two traits, it's nice to have access to. The reason to NEVER ever take more than one kentari is because thier buff can't stack, if that were the case, romulan-feds in a veangance would top every leaderboard by a gigantic margin opposed to anything else.
  • kidflash112kidflash112 Member Posts: 75 Arc User
    yea i got the VIL starter pack none of my jem boffs have space traits, anyway and since I'm still doing the jem missions.
    I just went with 3 saurians (efficient,Provides a bonus to efficiency stats, improving the effectiveness of many of your power management.)
    and 2 humans (Leadership nspires your ship crew, leading to 20% faster subsystem and hull repair.)
    for now until i go through some of the later missions to pick up others
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  • wideningxgyrewideningxgyre Member Posts: 710 Arc User
    It seems like several people have concluded that VanJems' space trait is better than Rom SRO. I wonder whether it makes sense to use all three of them or replace these others.

    Hierarchy potato head (pirate, efficient)
    Romulan (SRO)
    Nausicaan (Pirate)
  • gameversemangameverseman Member Posts: 1,110 Arc User
    edited June 2018
    I bought the starter pack and have gotten my Jem'Hadar Vanguard to 65. There are Vanguard Jem'Hadar boffs? How do I get them? All of my Jem'Hadar boffs are standard Jem'Hadar.
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  • wideningxgyrewideningxgyre Member Posts: 710 Arc User
    You have to buy the big Vanguard pack - it doesn't come with the starter. It's the only way to get Vanjem boffs with the space trait for now.
  • seaofsorrowsseaofsorrows Member Posts: 10,919 Arc User
    The BoFF traits on the Jem'Hadar is a little disappointing.

    Yes, I only bought the 'cheap pack,' but it's still a C-Store purchase over the entirely free to play model. It would be nice if the BoFFs in the full pack had Improved Space/Ground Traits, if you did the Starter Pack you got the standard version of those traits, and the 'free mode' got the BoFFs we all have now.

    I am not going to complain about it overall. I paid 2K zen for a Pack that included a ship that costs 3k Zen by itself.. so it's not like I am going to sit here and cry that I got ripped off or anything like that. Still, it would be a nice little throw in for those that opted to make a purchase. No, we don't deserve the 'full treatment' of the 130 Zen Pack, but both sets of players should get some type of trait on their Bridge Officers.
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  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    edited June 2018
    rezking wrote: »
    Vanguard Jems have a Space Trait, but you can only get 1 Tac, Sci and Eng.
    My KDF Tac VanJem will fill out the BOff Stations with Nausicaans and Embassy Tac Roms.

    Not sure about a Fed Jem yet.

    That's what I'm doing with my regular KDF.

    For Feds, I imagine the Vanguard ones are a welcome addition. What I'd do:

    Embassy Roms with SRO for the Tac Stations (still better than the TAC Vanguard BOFF), 1-2
    Engineer Vanguard
    Science Vanguard
    SCI "Potato" BOFF with Pirate trait (Free, from one of the Delta Quadrant missions)
    Nausicaan BOFF via maxed Diplomacy (Free, has Pirate trait)

    How much of either depends on the BOFF stations of the ship.

    My Roms don't need the Vanguard BOFFs at all, as they have Full SRO setup including the amazing LOR Rom/Reman BOFFs. However, the Vanguard are very good ground BOFFs and would make up most of the away team to surround my Rom Captain with.
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  • wideningxgyrewideningxgyre Member Posts: 710 Arc User
    @warmaker001b - I think you're right. Seems like the all the hoopla and excitement on the VanJem space trait was a bit premature. I saw another video that discusses the VanJem boffs that seems to believe that SRO is still the better choice at the high end dps.

    I also think you're right about the the choice being 5 ROMs with SRO or 2 Tac ROMs/2 VanJem/Nausicaan or Mr. Potato.

    I wish there was more room for variety rather than converging on a single "meta" no matter what career track, affiliation, or starting race. I realize the complexity involved, but why even bother with other boff traits.

    There are so many interesting ones out there like Krenim Temporal tactics, Space warfare specialist, Kentari Ferocity, Lukari Protomatter specialist. There should be a place for them in builds that are competitive.

    What I'd like to see is some more races with combinations like Mr. Potato, rather than a single OP trait. Also, I'd like to see the more "classic races" get some traits that make them viable again, like the Vulcan Sci/Intel officer from the Delta pack.

    I'm a huge believer in players having to make choices and tradeoffs, so I'm not advocating a buffet where every faction and every career path gets access to all traits and all boffs. But the VanJem trait essentially makes Pirate and the Nausicaan/Hierarchy boffs obsolete...and since you currently can only get them by buying them, well, I'll leave people to draw their own conclusions.

  • madmoparmadmopar Member Posts: 234 Arc User
    > @wideningxgyre said:
    > @warmaker001b - I think you're right. Seems like the all the hoopla and excitement on the VanJem space trait was a bit premature. I saw another video that discusses the VanJem boffs that seems to believe that SRO is still the better choice at the high end dps.
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    > I also think you're right about the the choice being 5 ROMs with SRO or 2 Tac ROMs/2 VanJem/Nausicaan or Mr. Potato.
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    > I wish there was more room for variety rather than converging on a single "meta" no matter what career track, affiliation, or starting race. I realize the complexity involved, but why even bother with other boff traits.
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    > There are so many interesting ones out there like Krenim Temporal tactics, Space warfare specialist, Kentari Ferocity, Lukari Protomatter specialist. There should be a place for them in builds that are competitive.
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    > What I'd like to see is some more races with combinations like Mr. Potato, rather than a single OP trait. Also, I'd like to see the more "classic races" get some traits that make them viable again, like the Vulcan Sci/Intel officer from the Delta pack.
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    > I'm a huge believer in players having to make choices and tradeoffs, so I'm not advocating a buffet where every faction and every career path gets access to all traits and all boffs. But the VanJem trait essentially makes Pirate and the Nausicaan/Hierarchy boffs obsolete...and since you currently can only get them by buying them, well, I'll leave people to draw their own conclusions.

    From what I understand the nausican pirate is a CAT2 buff while the vanguard is CAT1 meaning that pirate is more damage.
  • wideningxgyrewideningxgyre Member Posts: 710 Arc User
    I don't think that folks have had time to do comprehensive testing. I think they're basing it on arithmetic, rather than actual in-game performance. That said, the VanJem trait math sounds like it would be more overall damage than pirate over the course of a run (like HSE or ISA) - in most cases.

    It's probability based expected value and dependent on the actual number of crits that occur. A 1% chance doesn't mean that 1 out of every hundred WILL crit. It means, on average, 1 out of every 100.
  • daqheghdaqhegh Member Posts: 1,490 Arc User
    You can reclaim the BOffs for training manuals in all of their specialties, you know. I did that with mine and commissioned the last set.
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  • bossheisenbergbossheisenberg Member Posts: 603 Arc User
    Are the Kentari colony boffs not top shelf stuff? Seems like they would be worthy of using. How do they compare with the pirate trait?
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