Not making players able to play a Vorta in "Victory is Life" is a big mistake

sophlogimo · May 2018

Really, guys, make Vortas available. If your story sais it doesn't work, change the story slightly enough to make it work.

Too many people will not be as enthusiastic as they should be if they cannot play a Vorta. Please, change your mind on this one. Make it possible.

where2r1 · May 2018

Wait. What??? No Vortas?? Not even Alien creation??? Well...that blows.

where2r1 · May 2018

:::::::::pout::::::::

natthaan · May 2018

since the Jem'hadar ships will be crossfaction, it's not hard to make a Vorta in alien gen for Fed, Klingon, and Romulans. Also since the Jem'hadar arn't going to be a true faction, it really doesn't make a difference.

where2r1 · May 2018

natthaan wrote: »

since the Jem'hadar ships will be crossfaction, it's not hard to make a Vorta in alien gen for Fed, Klingon, and Romulans. Also since the Jem'hadar arn't going to be a true faction, it really doesn't make a difference.

I just made 7 Delta Recruits...I do not need another character to start from Level 1. LOL!

What I want to do is make a Vorta for "Victory is Life"....and start it at level 60 with whatever the bonuses that Jem'hadar faction is getting.

I been watching the Jem'hadar related episodes of DS9....there is always a Vorta accompanying them.... unless a group of Jem'hadar is going rogue against the Dominion.

But from what I can gather of this "Victory is Life" story that has been revealed...Dominion is going to be allies.

sui2k · May 2018

it took them almost 8 years to allow us to play a cardassian .. so now u know how long you'll have to wait for a vorta

tilarta · May 2018

The only way I can see Vortas being made playable is as an exclusive species for Lifetimer subscribers, like Talaxians were for Delta Rising.

But since we have not heard any news to that effect, it's just my personal speculation at this point.

where2r1 · May 2018

ruinthefun wrote: »

Why would you make *7*?

Come, come, now, Armada Leader...we all have our hordes of "Worker Bees", don't we?
Isn't that what you taught my Fleet Leader??? He's taught it to me. Aren't you proud?
LOL!

orondis · May 2018

sophlogimo wrote: »

natthaan wrote: »

since the Jem'hadar ships will be crossfaction, it's not hard to make a Vorta in alien gen for Fed, Klingon, and Romulans. Also since the Jem'hadar arn't going to be a true faction, it really doesn't make a difference.

Access to the Dominion Social Zone is a big thing.

People aren't playing STO for the spectacularily well-balanced game mechanics, but for the fluff. Vorta are THE commanding officer fluff for the Dominion, that's just canon.

There's going to be a Dominion only social zone? Well that's going to end up pretty dead rather quickly.

where2r1 · May 2018

orondis wrote: »

There's going to be a Dominion only social zone? Well that's going to end up pretty dead rather quickly.

Especially, if they are not letting us make Vortas.
Not even as Alien gen??? Come. ON. ::::whine::::

I like those lady Vortas I am seeing on DS9 episodes.

tyler002 · May 2018

Playing as a Jem'Hadar makes more sense. The Jem'Hadar First is the one who orders the crew, while the Vorta is closer to the incompentent 'Armchair Admiral' who gives the captain the overall mission objectives then takes all the credit for the captains work.

wbaker256 · May 2018

Things might’ve possibly changed under Odo, and the Jem’Hadar may now be allowed to command their own vessels without the guidance of a Vorta. Only thing I can really think of *shrug*

Other than that, Vorta would be nice to have, along with some of the Dominion’s more prominent allied species.

rattler2 · May 2018

mgoblin2 wrote: »

Things might’ve possibly changed under Odo, and the Jem’Hadar may now be allowed to command their own vessels without the guidance of a Vorta. Only thing I can really think of *shrug*

Other than that, Vorta would be nice to have, along with some of the Dominion’s more prominent allied species.

While I can agree that options are good...
Its pretty common knowlege that only the Jem'Hadar do the actual fighting, and according to the Devs themselves in a livestream having a playable Vorta doesn't mesh with the story they wanted to tell.

Unlike the Federation and Klingon Empire, that allows many races to serve in a military capacity, the Dominion relies on the Jem'Hadar alone.

tyler002 · May 2018

sophlogimo wrote: »

tyler002 wrote: »

Playing as a Jem'Hadar makes more sense. The Jem'Hadar First is the one who orders the crew, while the Vorta is closer to the incompentent 'Armchair Admiral' who gives the captain the overall mission objectives then takes all the credit for the captains work.

That is simply not true from the screen evidence we have. In Deep Space 9, the Vorta were in command of the ships. Do you really need me to list you all the episodes where this is shown?

The Vorta on the ships tell the First what needs to be done (and gives out the Ketracel White), but the crew takes orders from the First.

The Vorta acts more as a civilian overseerer and voice of the Gods than a military captain.

cassilda · May 2018

I agree, playing a Vorta is actually more interesting for me than play a Jem'Hadar. I'm not discounting the Jem'Hadar story even before having played it, but really, Jem'Hadars in canon sources are generally big goons with guns, that don't seem to grasp complex concepts or anything outside a warrior lifestyle. Only a single elder Jem'Hadar was shown in DS9 having his own agency and questioning his orders or his place in the Dominion society, and he was clearly the exception to the rule.
And I have real difficulties to see the Jem'Hadars being SCI or ENG officers, with their usual mindset.

terranempire · May 2018

where2r1 wrote: »

orondis wrote: »

There's going to be a Dominion only social zone? Well that's going to end up pretty dead rather quickly.

Especially, if they are not letting us make Vortas.
Not even as Alien gen??? Come. ON. ::::whine::::

I like those lady Vortas I am seeing on DS9 episodes.

I heard they even gave them a swimsuit.... I rather have a Vorta in swimsuit than a ex-drug addicted Jem'Hadar <shudders>

Please don't forsake us to that terror...

tyler002 · May 2018

terranempire#7881 wrote: »

where2r1 wrote: »

orondis wrote: »

There's going to be a Dominion only social zone? Well that's going to end up pretty dead rather quickly.

Especially, if they are not letting us make Vortas.
Not even as Alien gen??? Come. ON. ::::whine::::

I like those lady Vortas I am seeing on DS9 episodes.

I heard they even gave them a swimsuit.... I rather have a Vorta in swimsuit than a ex-drug addicted Jem'Hadar <shudders>

Please don't forsake us to that terror...

Oh, you better hope you ain't on Risa the same time as me.

starkaos · May 2018

Have you ever seen a Vorta fight with their Jem'Hadar crew on the ground? With how violent our captains are, it doesn't make sense to have Vorta Captains in Star Trek Online. Now if our captains were more like Captain Picard, then it would make sense to have Vorta captains.

terranempire · May 2018

starkaos wrote: »

Have you ever seen a Vorta fight with their Jem'Hadar crew on the ground? With how violent our captains are, it doesn't make sense to have Vorta Captains in Star Trek Online. Now if our captains were more like Captain Picard, then it would make sense to have Vorta captains.

Hell with what makes sense. STO makes it up as it goes. But if you want limited example I guess Eris had some fighting ability, but she was unique and tailored for that specific mission for the founders.

Here the quote: "Only one Vorta was demonstrated using telekinesis: Eris. As the DS9 writing staff put more thought into the Vorta following their initial appearance in "The Jem'Hadar", telekinesis was discarded and deemed a misstep that the writing team hoped viewers would forget. (Star Trek: Deep Space Nine Companion, p. 155) Ronald D. Moore stated, "Our internal rationale has been that Eris was given this ability for a specific purpose by the Founders (and maybe several other Vorta along with her) and that it is not a normal part of the Vorta 'recipe' in the Dominion." (AOL chat, 1998)"

We have Odo making new Jem'Hadar. What to say he didn't do the same for the Vorta?

terranempire · May 2018

tyler002 wrote: »

Oh, you better hope you ain't on Risa the same time as me.

In the name of the Founders.... Please No....! <shriek>

tyler002 · May 2018

Fleet Admirals are at least actually capable of fighting, Vorta are literally built in a way that makes them mostly useless at it.

garaks31 · May 2018

No parents, no sweetheart, no investment portfolio.

where2r1 · May 2018

I am a woman. Because I see my character's avatars as an extension of me....I do not prefer to make males.

So, here we are....weeks/days away from new faction in STO where I can't even make a female character. Thanks, Devs, for not even bothering to find a way to include women in your new FACTION.

Everyone gets to focus on playing a Jem'hadar, the elite soldier of the Dominion...all men. Because there are no Vortas "tough" enough to compete in the story they have planned out.

So, these knuckle headed male Jem'Hadar can evolve to be without Vortas being the "go betweens" because they got smarter and off the drugs. OR Odo bred them to be better "peoples"....except there are no women, still? But the Vortas stayed stagnant?? Really?

HINT: They made this all up.
It could have easily been fixed before it got past the white board.
You should have run this by a few "sensitivity readers".

Not making players able to play a Vorta in "Victory is Life" is a big mistake

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