Cloaking is completely broken.

davidbrunell88 · May 2018

I have read a lot online about cloaking in sto and the consensus is that its terrible. Once you hit that cloak button you should be untargetable unless enemies have super high perception or emission seeking torpedo or boff skills like sensor scan or something. The animation is fine but cloaking then being annihilate you right after. Watch the movies and shows a cloaking ship is a scary thing but in this game its a joke. Its the suicide button. Please devs fix this issue with cloaking devices. Please. Please. Please.

badgerpants999 · May 2018

Sounds like you're being hit with a torpedo AFTER you've cloaked. If they've already fired the torpedo it'll still hit you. You're also going to be hit in the, about 2 seconds, it takes your ship to cloak because your shields drop right away but you're still targetable until you're fully cloaked. I've killed many PvE ships in just this way. I fire a torpedo, they cloak, the torp hits them while they have no shields, they explode.

Your tactics seem out of line with the game mechanics. I'm not trying to say you're doing it wrong as I hate it when people say that to me but, Try using Cloaking as an Alpha strike buff. Cloak before the fight, get about 5 KM from your target, drop the cloak and hit them with everything you've got. Don't try using the cloak to take you out of the fight so you can heal. That aint gonna work!

leemwatson · May 2018

davidbrunell88 wrote: »

I have read a lot online about cloaking in sto and the consensus is that its terrible. Once you hit that cloak button you should be untargetable unless enemies have super high perception or emission seeking torpedo or boff skills like sensor scan or something. The animation is fine but cloaking then being annihilate you right after. Watch the movies and shows a cloaking ship is a scary thing but in this game its a joke. Its the suicide button. Please devs fix this issue with cloaking devices. Please. Please. Please.

You misunderstand Cloaking. You don't become untargetable at all once you hit the button as badger says. Only the Scimitars, IIRC, have 'perfect' cloak. As someone who has watched all the movies and shows, it was extremely rare that a cloaked enemy was undetected, AND considering the advances in sensor technologies, it's harder to get a 'perfect' cloak than ever. If you want a better cloak, you need to spec for it AND you need to bump Aux power right up. It doesn't take much to defeat a poorly spec'd cloak.

leemwatson · May 2018

davidbrunell88 wrote: »

I know how it works believe me i know. What im saying is how i think it should work. If you have an enhanced battle cloak then you should be able to use scatter sensors or something then cloak but you cant. Its not just toroedos either its any and every weapon in game beams cannons all of it. What im saying is having a ship that kinda sucks compared to other ships but you have a cloak to make up for it your cloak should mean something. Also 90% of the time its glitchy where you hit the button and you do not uncloak but can be targeted with no shields= instant death. Scanning doesnt do it nothing uncloaks you but death. In the tv/movie cannon a cloaked ship is scary because they can attack at any moment and then disappear. Not to mention in Star trek undiscovered country changes bop was completely cloaked when firing torpedos not like in sto where 3 seconds your uncloaked and exposed with no shields. Almost completely usless cloaks are. Shouldnt the devs fix this? I think so like a patch or somthing.

That's not how Star Trek cloaking works at all. It takes time to cloak, and ALOT of energy, and shields and weapons go offline the moment you engage cloak, which will mean death if you engage it at the wrong time. The Prototype BoP's tech made it's way into other ships in STO, but the problem with firing whilst cloaked is that still requires energy which sensors can pick-up, and don't forget we're decades after the fact with far, far more advanced sensors. There also, as I said before, nothing wrong with current cloaking. You need to specifically spec for it.

sanokskyrat · May 2018

I played around with it on tribble. Seems to be working fine like on holodeck. This doesnt seeem to be a Bug Reports but rather a request.

phoenix841 · May 2018

That's exactly how Lursa and B'Etor died in Star Trek: Generations.
Their cloaking device was triggered, which dropped their shields. They were targeted by a torpedo from the Enterprise exactly at that time, and their ship was destroyed.
Working as intended IMO.

Now, the cloak may have other issues/bugs, but the few seconds of vulnerability while cloaking/decloaking is intended, and canon.
For the record, I've been caught by that too. I've tried to cloak to get away, to be foiled by a well timed torpedo.

where2r1 · May 2018

I agree with OP. We should get immunity for Cloaking.... it is on everything else.

phoenix841 · May 2018

where2r1 wrote: »

I agree with OP. We should get immunity for Cloaking.... it is on everything else.

Then activate brace for impact (with the trait), and then cloak. Then you'll have immunity.

where2r1 · June 2018

davidbrunell88 wrote: »

If they just fixed the bug where you can not uncloak that would be fine with me. Just make it work as intended at least. You know. Now as for being untargetable im referring the enhanced battle cloak should be inhanced so you need more perception or skill or a boff ability to target you. You know?

But you got to move out of the way if a torpedo is already targeting the spot where you sit....cloak does not give you immunity from damage. So, change your position after you cloak...and get away. That is the big caveat of using cloak for defense.

Most people use cloaking for offensive: for the boost to damage coming out of cloak.

where2r1 · June 2018

davidbrunell88 wrote: »

Well yes i know what your saying about hit and move. What im saying is this. I uncloak while on the move hit with everything then cloak. Im then hit with beams cannons and torps all at once from all directions. Jam sensors and confuse abilities do nothing im then dropped back out of cloak and dead. Thats best case scenario. Worst case is this. I get into position and hit uncloak nothing happens i then spam it repeatedly nothing happens i then spam all buttons nothing then i scan for anomalies and am targeted my all enemies at once with no shields and no weapons and is destroyed in about 5-10 seconds. This happens about 75% of the time. Ive tested it in none combat sometimes death is the only way to uncloak. Others have had this issue ive googled it. This is cloaking in STO. Thats what im saying. No moving is going to help that.

OH yeah.... the thing about boost to damage???? Because of high damage....you draw all the threat.

You can't get OUT of cloak??? That is strange.

You will have to make a bug report on that one. And make sure you detail how to reproduce the problem. Write down EXACTLY the steps you took when you got into that state.

Because: it could be tied to one of the BUFFs you use, one of the boff abilities, it could even be GEAR related, a clicky console or trait you use.

I would remove everything....and just go with basic gear and see if you can get it to repeat...etc... and then add stuff back one by one to see which one is messing up your cloak.

Also, "Everyone else" who has the same problem: find out what ship they are using...is it all on the same ship as you? Is it on some ships but not the other ships.

In order for them to find the problem faster....you got to point all this stuff out to them. Or they have no where to know where to even start looking.

At least, if YOU find out what is causing it.....you can just avoid it.

salazarraze · June 2018

Op, you just don't know what you're doing. When you cloak, you should have just activated brace for impact and evasive maneuvers. You should probably have EPtE running and maybe even Aux2Damp. Make sure your Aux power is high and that you are spec'd correctly to make sure your cloak is strong and not a noob cloak.

A cloak shouldn't just be a button you press to become unkillable.

Cloaking is completely broken.

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